UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #19

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JosieJo said:
But that is assuming she "didn't lie" intentionally? .. its possible she answered truthfully about when she wrote the note ..not having time to even consider that some of the comments do not fit with not knowing that the there may be criminal charges.

It's likely that it's exactly why the police asked her when she wrote the note ..before challenging her on the phrases
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yeh that’s true but why lie when she could have just said I remember when I wrote it but not what I wrote. She has also had plenty of time to consider the note including the fact that it was written before police involvement. she could have just lied and said it ws after police involvement But didn’t.
 
Sweeper2000 said:
yeh that’s true but why lie when she could have just said I remember when I wrote it but not what I wrote. She has also had plenty of time to consider the note including the fact that it was written before police involvement. she could have just lied and said it ws after police involvement But didn’t.
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To be honest I think she lied about when she wrote it, to try to explain the not good enough heading which they asked her about FIRST as they worked through the note, because she wouldn't be able to explain that at all, after redoing her competencies.

I think she wrote it after the police involvement in May 2017 and that's why she wrote police investigation and about not getting married. She was then left to try and explain that aspect based on locking herself into the timing of July 2016.

JMO
 
Tortoise said:
To be honest I think she lied about when she wrote it, to try to explain the not good enough heading which they asked her about FIRST as they worked through the note, because she wouldn't be able to explain that at all, after redoing her competencies.

I think she wrote it after the police involvement in May 2017 and that's why she wrote police investigation and about not getting married. She was then left to try and explain that aspect based on locking herself into the timing of July 2016.

JMO
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astute observation With a viable reason.

I can remember myself and others stating it showed how long she held onto notes for With surprise. Would make more sense if the notes had actually been written closer to time of arrest. The not good enough part I don’t really pay attention to but those quotes about marriage family etc are really out that’s such a strange reaction to the situation in mid 2016. Again the level of childishness in that to be true.
 
katydid23 said:
The defendant may have only been about 25, but her victims were newborns, mostly premature babies, the most vulnerable victims possible. That would count against her, imo.

Also, some of the victims are now totally disabled and suffer on a daiily basis, along with their families who must watch their suffering everyday. And learn to cope with the aftermath.

The defendant was in a very trusted position held in high esteem by the public. We are trusting the neonatal nurses with our most prized possessions and do so with total faith and confidence. She [allegedly] exploited that power in a very cruel, callous and deceitful way.

To secretly assault a child and then brazenly pretend to be the saviour and take praise and credit for reviving a child they tried to kill is so evil. It is hard to accept it really happened.

Whomever committed theses crimes, is one of the cruelest, most calculating, heartless killers in recent history. Who attacks and kills numerous innocent newborns for no apparent reason?

If found guilty of any of these murder charges, I think they deserve the full count of a life term. Who really cares if it is guilty for 3 murders and 4 attempted murders or all of them? JMO
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*If* LL is guilty and that is the reason she perpetrated these crimes, then that would be her motivation. A compulsion / drive.

Many experts - and Prof David Wilson, ex prison governor and professor of criminology, springs to mind - argue that such a compulsion takes the same pattern as addiction and the offending takes on a life of it's own and always escalates and the crimes becomes closer together but more careless.

If LL is found guilty of these charges, I'm sure the cases of many many other babies will be looked at afterwards that had perhaps been excluded from the charges brought. JMO MOO
 
JamesMcGillEsquire said:
Being fairly weird is becoming more and more commonlpace in today's society.

We need to seperate her overall personality, from the actions that the prosecution say they can prove. JMO
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I don't know that it needs to be separated. It's all a part of the story.
For example: Taking the confidential medical paperwork home with her every day, then lying about it to the police, is not just weird, it is also part of the alleged event. JMO
 
In the event that she does testify today, it will start with examination in chief, when she will be questioned by her own barrister. I'd imagine he'll want to address the points of difficulty in her case but do so in a relatively gentle way.

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Examination-in-Chief — Defence-Barrister.co.uk

Examination-in-chief is the questioning of a witness at trial to elicit their account of what took place. This is known as their evidence-in-chief.
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Cross-examination will not take place until after that, and in this case the whole process may take a considerable amount of time:

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Cross-examination — Defence-Barrister.co.uk

The purpose of cross-examination is to test the evidence of a witness, to expose weaknesses where they exist and, if so, to undermine the account the witness has given.
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Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Tuesday, May 2 - defence begins

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
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8:54am

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is expected to continue today (Tuesday, May 2).
We will be bringing you updates throughout the day.

8:55am

After 25 weeks of evidence before a jury, the prosecution concluded its case against Lucy Letby last Thursday.
Today, Letby's defence is expected to begin.

8:57am

For a comprehensive recap of the past 25 weeks, see our index of the Lucy Letby trial here, with links to each day of the trial so far: Countess nurse Lucy Letby: What has happened in trial so far
 
My guess is she's undergoing some kind of an evaluation on the days court isn't sitting this week, to explain why she won't be testifying, and we might hear from some experts about this. Complete guess.

Mind you, there's also two days being taken out of the timetable for next week, so maybe it's not related to LL.
 
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Sorry to ask such a basic question, but I'm getting a bit lost! Can anyone recall at one point LL was told not to contact her colleagues please? In my head it's when she was initially removed from the unit, but that makes no sense if it was put across as nothing to be concerned about. Thanks!
 
Tortoise said:
My guess is she's undergoing some kind of an evaluation on the days court isn't sitting this week, to explain why she won't be testifying, and we might hear from some experts about this. Complete guess.

Mind you, there's also two days being taken out of the timetable for next week, so maybe it's not related to LL.
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Could be that the Jury are really struggling, and it's related to that.

Can't imagine how trying it must have been sitting through the evidence so far.
JMO
 
marynnu said:
Sorry to ask such a basic question, but I'm getting a bit lost! Can anyone recall at one point LL was told not to contact her colleagues please? In my head it's when she was initially removed from the unit, but that makes no sense if it was put across as nothing to be concerned about. Thanks!
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"they made me stop talking to people."

"Asked about another of the notes, which has the word 'HATE' in a circle in bold letters, Letby said she had just been removed from the job she loved and she had been prevented from talking to people."

"She said she felt 'so isolated and alone', as she could only speak to two friends,"

"Ms Powell recalls the review meeting was "very upsetting" for Lucy Letby and herself. She does not recall if Lucy Letby was told not to talk to several other members of staff."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

Tue Jul 19th

LL began work in the patient experience team.

Mon Aug 8th

LL to nurse colleague: Tony phoned. He's going to speak to Karen and insist on the review being no later than 1st week of Sept but said he definitely wouldn't advise pushing to get back to unit until it's taken place. Asked about social things and he said it's up to me but would advise not speaking with anyone in case any of them are involved with the review process. Thinks I should keep head down and ride it out and can take further once over. Feel a bit like Im being shoved in a corner and forgotten about by the trust. It's my life and career. He's not been given any information about the evidence he asked for which is good. He's not sure what the external people are going to look at in relation to me but we are in the process now so have to ride it out

Colleague: Ok well just have to take his advice then suppose

LL: Still can't believe this has happened. It's making me feel like I should hide away by saying not speak to anyone and going on for months etc - I haven't done anything wrong.

Colleague: Me neither! I know it's all so ridiculous.

LL: I can't see where it will all end

Colleague: I'm sure this time after xmas it'll all b a distant memory.

Tue Aug 9th (nb. she's still communicating with nurse colleague)

LL to nursing colleague: Bloody hell fuming. I’m in email and makes it sound like it’s my choice.
Nurse: Really?
LL: Yeah they’ve been able to facilitate me going for 3 months.
 
Tortoise said:
"they made me stop talking to people."

"Asked about another of the notes, which has the word 'HATE' in a circle in bold letters, Letby said she had just been removed from the job she loved and she had been prevented from talking to people."

"She said she felt 'so isolated and alone', as she could only speak to two friends,"

"Ms Powell recalls the review meeting was "very upsetting" for Lucy Letby and herself. She does not recall if Lucy Letby was told not to talk to several other members of staff."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, April 27

Tue Jul 19th

LL began work in the patient experience team.

Mon Aug 8th

LL to nurse colleague: Tony phoned. He's going to speak to Karen and insist on the review being no later than 1st week of Sept but said he definitely wouldn't advise pushing to get back to unit until it's taken place. Asked about social things and he said it's up to me but would advise not speaking with anyone in case any of them are involved with the review process. Thinks I should keep head down and ride it out and can take further once over. Feel a bit like Im being shoved in a corner and forgotten about by the trust. It's my life and career. He's not been given any information about the evidence he asked for which is good. He's not sure what the external people are going to look at in relation to me but we are in the process now so have to ride it out

Colleague: Ok well just have to take his advice then suppose

LL: Still can't believe this has happened. It's making me feel like I should hide away by saying not speak to anyone and going on for months etc - I haven't done anything wrong.

Colleague: Me neither! I know it's all so ridiculous.

LL: I can't see where it will all end

Colleague: I'm sure this time after xmas it'll all b a distant memory.

Tue Aug 9th (nb. she's still communicating with nurse colleague)

LL to nursing colleague: Bloody hell fuming. I’m in email and makes it sound like it’s my choice.
Nurse: Really?
LL: Yeah they’ve been able to facilitate me going for 3 months.
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Thanks so much. I do recall this now. So it was advice rather than a definite order, which makes more sense to me, especially in view of the Xmas/New Year photos.
 
So, week twenty six. Six months which is what the trial was originally slated for; we still have the defence to put It's case (which I don't think will be anywhere near the length of the prosecution's), closing speeches, judge's speech and instructions and jury deliberations.

I think we'll see this going well into June!
 
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