UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #21
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It's a poor way to commence, tbh. Immediately attacking her behavior in court rather than addressing the actual evidence might give the impression that he's struggling, tbh.
I think that answers our question about whether Letby's denying she was ever in room 1 when Dr Jayaram came in was new evidence and contradicted her police interviews.
She comes across to me from her answers as so over-confident and arrogant. She was the only competent medical professional going about her job perfectly while those around her were panicking like headless chickens. On the one hand painting herself as a highly competent nurse does help her case. Yet how does she reconcile that with her explanation for the 'I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them' note? There she painted herself as someone so doubting of their abilities that she worried she might have inadvertently killed babies. I'm not sure. I mean people are capable of sometimes feeling highly competent and arrogant, and at other times doubting their abilities. But to fluctuate between such extremes in such a short period of time?
She comes across to me from her answers as so over-confident and arrogant. She was the only competent medical professional going about her job perfectly while those around her were panicking like headless chickens. On the one hand painting herself as a highly competent nurse does help her case. Yet how does she reconcile that with her explanation for the 'I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them' note? There she painted herself as someone so doubting of their abilities that she worried she might have inadvertently killed babies. I'm not sure. I mean people are capable of sometimes feeling highly competent and arrogant, and at other times doubting their abilities. But to fluctuate between such extremes in such a short period of time?
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Yes. Very amateur conduct, in my opinion. I'm surprised. Usually this might happen when the prosecution (or defence, if its their counsel) is desperate, but this doesn't seem to be the case here. Oh well, he's opened the door for the Defendant to testify in great detail, during re-direct, how ridiculously and laughably unjust it is to pettily blame a young woman who's been locked in prison for ages and has lost all her career and life, for being somewhat emotional about it; and further explaining that everyone, including her, had plenty of time to cry about the babies, and that was then and this is now. All my own opinion.
ETA. Sweeper2000 put it better than I did.
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What ? I can't agree it's prosecution gold ...take her by surprise and unerve her ...and that will resonate exactly what most of the jury have thought
I think it's a great way to start. It's something that may well have occurred to the jury, and it's true. Her tears are mostly about herself. She has also had time to be repeatedly questioned on those aspects (losing her house, her friendships), and yet that is what is upsetting to her.
Plus it signals that the questions are going to be much more adversarial and challenging for her. Which is after all the point of cross examination.
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Prosecution probes handover sheets found at Letby's home
Nick Johnson KC probes the issue of the hospital handover sheets found at Lucy Letby's Chester home following her arrest in July 2018, which the defendant has previously said came home with her in error.
He asks Letby if the three nursing uniforms she was provided with would be washed after every use - she agrees.
"What did you do with the contents of the pockets?" Mr Johnson asks.
"They were put aside in random places in my house," she says.
"Such as?"
"I can't say, I would accumulate paper in various areas of my home."
Letby tells the court her responsibility for sensitive personal data is to keep it confidential.
Mr Johnson asks what disciplinary action she would have faced if hospital management staff knew she had over 250 handover sheets at her home.
"I can't answer that, I don't know the policy," she said.
"Have you ever been interested in the policy on managing personal sensitive data?"
"I don't know."
"You're not bothered, are you?"
"I don't know the details, these handover sheets were held at my address but they were held in confidence," Letby says.
"In a bin bag in your garage, that's held in confidence, is it?"
Letby says she was the only one living at her home.
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Nick Johnson KC probes the issue of the hospital handover sheets found at Lucy Letby's Chester home following her arrest in July 2018, which the defendant has previously said came home with her in error.
He asks Letby if the three nursing uniforms she was provided with would be washed after every use - she agrees.
"What did you do with the contents of the pockets?" Mr Johnson asks.
"They were put aside in random places in my house," she says.
"Such as?"
"I can't say, I would accumulate paper in various areas of my home."
Letby tells the court her responsibility for sensitive personal data is to keep it confidential.
Mr Johnson asks what disciplinary action she would have faced if hospital management staff knew she had over 250 handover sheets at her home.
"I can't answer that, I don't know the policy," she said.
"Have you ever been interested in the policy on managing personal sensitive data?"
"I don't know."
"You're not bothered, are you?"
"I don't know the details, these handover sheets were held at my address but they were held in confidence," Letby says.
"In a bin bag in your garage, that's held in confidence, is it?"
Letby says she was the only one living at her home.
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And the fact that his own witnesses have testified that Letby has already cried for the babies.
Guilty or innocent, I think most people would be crying for themselves if they were in this situation. I would.
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Disagree. If I'm on that jury I'm thinking "Stop making it personal and ask proper questions for goodness sake".
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Court adjourned
That brings an end to proceedings today.
The case will resume at 10.30am tomorrow when Nick Johnson KC will continue his cross-examination of Lucy Letby for the prosecution.
news.sky.com
That brings an end to proceedings today.
The case will resume at 10.30am tomorrow when Nick Johnson KC will continue his cross-examination of Lucy Letby for the prosecution.
Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court
Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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Yep ...with a bang as LL would say
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I don't think this is opportunistic, IMO. Part of his remit will be to show how she has no empathy, and this would be in furtherance of that. I imagine some of his cross-examination might be being informed by behavioural people. Just a guess though.
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I’m sorry but this is just ridiculous. A nurse doesn’t know the policy for sensitive information? Perhaps she should have chosen a different career then.Prosecution probes handover sheets found at Letby's home
Nick Johnson KC probes the issue of the hospital handover sheets found at Lucy Letby's Chester home following her arrest in July 2018, which the defendant has previously said came home with her in error.
He asks Letby if the three nursing uniforms she was provided with would be washed after every use - she agrees.
"What did you do with the contents of the pockets?" Mr Johnson asks.
"They were put aside in random places in my house," she says.
"Such as?"
"I can't say, I would accumulate paper in various areas of my home."
Letby tells the court her responsibility for sensitive personal data is to keep it confidential.
Mr Johnson asks what disciplinary action she would have faced if hospital management staff knew she had over 250 handover sheets at her home.
"I can't answer that, I don't know the policy," she said.
"Have you ever been interested in the policy on managing personal sensitive data?"
"I don't know."
"You're not bothered, are you?"
"I don't know the details, these handover sheets were held at my address but they were held in confidence," Letby says.
"In a bin bag in your garage, that's held in confidence, is it?"
Letby says she was the only one living at her home.
Lucy Letby trial: Facebook searches of nurse accused of murdering babies read out in court
Lucy Letby, a former neonatal nurse, has been back in court for another day of cross-examination by the prosecution on Friday. She is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of 10 others, and denies all the charges.
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4:21pm
Mr Johnson says Letby was a "mentor to students". Letby gives details of what that would involve.
Mr Johnson asks for paperwork, what would their responsibilities be - if one of them was given a handover sheet, what would they do with it? Letby says they would dispose of it, although student nurses would not have handover sheets in the first place.
Mr Johnson asks why Letby kept bringing handover sheets home. Letby said it was a few.
Mr Johnson: "Well, 250 times, it isn't"
Letby: "That is over many years"
Mr Johnson: "Well even if it's 50, that's over five years."
Mr Johnson: "What is your normal practice?"
Letby: "With handover sheets? To dispose of them - they have come home with me."
Mr Johnson: "You have taken them home."
Letby: "Not with the intent of keeping them."
Mr Johnson says what would Letby's responsibilities be with sensitive data such as handover sheets?
Letby: "To keep it confidential."
Mr Johnson asks what would the hospital do, in disciplinary terms, if they found Letby had over 250 handover sheets?
Letby: "I don't know the full details - they were at my home address, but they were held in confidence."
"In a bin bag in your garage?"
Letby: "I was the only one in the house."
Johnson: "And the ones in your parents' house?"
Letby says the parents would not have access to the box in what would have been her bedroom.
Mr Johnson: "Do you obey the rules when it suits you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Myers rises says it was put to Dr Jayaram that he had not been challenged on his account in evidence. He said in his evidence he had put it repeatedly to Dr Jayaram on his account, althought the word 'liar' might not have been used.
The judge says, from his recollection, it was not put directly to Dr Jayaram if Letby was present in the nursery room.
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Mr Johnson says Letby was a "mentor to students". Letby gives details of what that would involve.
Mr Johnson asks for paperwork, what would their responsibilities be - if one of them was given a handover sheet, what would they do with it? Letby says they would dispose of it, although student nurses would not have handover sheets in the first place.
Mr Johnson asks why Letby kept bringing handover sheets home. Letby said it was a few.
Mr Johnson: "Well, 250 times, it isn't"
Letby: "That is over many years"
Mr Johnson: "Well even if it's 50, that's over five years."
Mr Johnson: "What is your normal practice?"
Letby: "With handover sheets? To dispose of them - they have come home with me."
Mr Johnson: "You have taken them home."
Letby: "Not with the intent of keeping them."
Mr Johnson says what would Letby's responsibilities be with sensitive data such as handover sheets?
Letby: "To keep it confidential."
Mr Johnson asks what would the hospital do, in disciplinary terms, if they found Letby had over 250 handover sheets?
Letby: "I don't know the full details - they were at my home address, but they were held in confidence."
"In a bin bag in your garage?"
Letby: "I was the only one in the house."
Johnson: "And the ones in your parents' house?"
Letby says the parents would not have access to the box in what would have been her bedroom.
Mr Johnson: "Do you obey the rules when it suits you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Myers rises says it was put to Dr Jayaram that he had not been challenged on his account in evidence. He said in his evidence he had put it repeatedly to Dr Jayaram on his account, althought the word 'liar' might not have been used.
The judge says, from his recollection, it was not put directly to Dr Jayaram if Letby was present in the nursery room.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, May 17 - defence continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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4:21pm
Mr Johnson says Letby was a "mentor to students". Letby gives details of what that would involve.
Mr Johnson asks for paperwork, what would their responsibilities be - if one of them was given a handover sheet, what would they do with it? Letby says they would dispose of it, although student nurses would not have handover sheets in the first place.
Mr Johnson asks why Letby kept bringing handover sheets home. Letby said it was a few.
Mr Johnson: "Well, 250 times, it isn't"
Letby: "That is over many years"
Mr Johnson: "Well even if it's 50, that's over five years."
Mr Johnson: "What is your normal practice?"
Letby: "With handover sheets? To dispose of them - they have come home with me."
Mr Johnson: "You have taken them home."
Letby: "Not with the intent of keeping them."
Mr Johnson says what would Letby's responsibilities be with sensitive data such as handover sheets?
Letby: "To keep it confidential."
Mr Johnson asks what would the hospital do, in disciplinary terms, if they found Letby had over 250 handover sheets?
Letby: "I don't know the full details - they were at my home address, but they were held in confidence."
"In a bin bag in your garage?"
Letby: "I was the only one in the house."
Johnson: "And the ones in your parents' house?"
Letby says the parents would not have access to the box in what would have been her bedroom.
Mr Johnson: "Do you obey the rules when it suits you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Myers rises says it was put to Dr Jayaram that he had not been challenged on his account in evidence. He said in his evidence he had put it repeatedly to Dr Jayaram on his account, althought the word 'liar' might not have been used.
The judge says, from his recollection, it was not put directly to Dr Jayaram if Letby was present in the nursery room.
www.chesterstandard.co.uk
Mr Johnson says Letby was a "mentor to students". Letby gives details of what that would involve.
Mr Johnson asks for paperwork, what would their responsibilities be - if one of them was given a handover sheet, what would they do with it? Letby says they would dispose of it, although student nurses would not have handover sheets in the first place.
Mr Johnson asks why Letby kept bringing handover sheets home. Letby said it was a few.
Mr Johnson: "Well, 250 times, it isn't"
Letby: "That is over many years"
Mr Johnson: "Well even if it's 50, that's over five years."
Mr Johnson: "What is your normal practice?"
Letby: "With handover sheets? To dispose of them - they have come home with me."
Mr Johnson: "You have taken them home."
Letby: "Not with the intent of keeping them."
Mr Johnson says what would Letby's responsibilities be with sensitive data such as handover sheets?
Letby: "To keep it confidential."
Mr Johnson asks what would the hospital do, in disciplinary terms, if they found Letby had over 250 handover sheets?
Letby: "I don't know the full details - they were at my home address, but they were held in confidence."
"In a bin bag in your garage?"
Letby: "I was the only one in the house."
Johnson: "And the ones in your parents' house?"
Letby says the parents would not have access to the box in what would have been her bedroom.
Mr Johnson: "Do you obey the rules when it suits you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Myers rises says it was put to Dr Jayaram that he had not been challenged on his account in evidence. He said in his evidence he had put it repeatedly to Dr Jayaram on his account, althought the word 'liar' might not have been used.
The judge says, from his recollection, it was not put directly to Dr Jayaram if Letby was present in the nursery room.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, May 17 - defence continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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I think its a very fair question...no one expects her not to be upset about her life ...but not one ounce of a tear when seeing those parents on the stand ? ...seeing them is very different to being questioned
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Bang on. Every NHS employee knows the rules of confidentiality.
To add to this; students DO have handover sheets.4:21pm
Mr Johnson says Letby was a "mentor to students". Letby gives details of what that would involve.
Mr Johnson asks for paperwork, what would their responsibilities be - if one of them was given a handover sheet, what would they do with it? Letby says they would dispose of it, although student nurses would not have handover sheets in the first place.
Mr Johnson asks why Letby kept bringing handover sheets home. Letby said it was a few.
Mr Johnson: "Well, 250 times, it isn't"
Letby: "That is over many years"
Mr Johnson: "Well even if it's 50, that's over five years."
Mr Johnson: "What is your normal practice?"
Letby: "With handover sheets? To dispose of them - they have come home with me."
Mr Johnson: "You have taken them home."
Letby: "Not with the intent of keeping them."
Mr Johnson says what would Letby's responsibilities be with sensitive data such as handover sheets?
Letby: "To keep it confidential."
Mr Johnson asks what would the hospital do, in disciplinary terms, if they found Letby had over 250 handover sheets?
Letby: "I don't know the full details - they were at my home address, but they were held in confidence."
"In a bin bag in your garage?"
Letby: "I was the only one in the house."
Johnson: "And the ones in your parents' house?"
Letby says the parents would not have access to the box in what would have been her bedroom.
Mr Johnson: "Do you obey the rules when it suits you?"
Letby: "No."
Mr Myers rises says it was put to Dr Jayaram that he had not been challenged on his account in evidence. He said in his evidence he had put it repeatedly to Dr Jayaram on his account, althought the word 'liar' might not have been used.
The judge says, from his recollection, it was not put directly to Dr Jayaram if Letby was present in the nursery room.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Wednesday, May 17 - defence continues
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…
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We're back tomorrow, with a full day of cross examination. You can read today's questioning from Nick Johnson KC back here
Posted at 16:0116:01
Judith Moritz
Nick Johnson KC gets on his feet, he's leading the prosecution.
Lucy Letby is crying in the witness box.
He asks Lucy Letby why she cries when she's talking about herself but not about the babies. She replies that she has cried whilst talking about the babies.
This is Lucy Letby's 5th day in the witness box. So far she has only been questioned by her own barrister, Ben Myers KC who is leading the defence.
Posted at 16:0316:03
Judith Moritz
Several of the parents of babies who the nurse is alleged to have murdered and attacked are in court to watch today's proceedings.
Lucy Letby is wearing a black suit and blue shirt. She's sitting in the witness box with a prison officer on either side of her.
Her parents are sitting in the public gallery just behind her.
Nick Johnson KC is standing with his arms folded, looking down at Lucy Letby who's sitting in the witness box, almost next to him.
The red-robed judge, Mr Justice Goss is sitting above them.
The jury of 8 women and 4 men are directly opposite nurse Letby.
Posted at 16:0616:06
Judith Moritz
Earlier in the trial the jury heard from a doctor, Ravi Jayaram. He says that he walked in to find Lucy Letby after she removed the breathing tube from one of the babies.
Yesterday, Lucy Letby said this never happened. Nick Johnson now says that this is tantamount to accusing the doctor of lying.
Lucy Letby agrees that she is accusing Dr Jayaram of misleading the jury. She denies that she is lying.
Posted at 16:0716:07
Judith Moritz
The trial has heard that when police searched Lucy Letby's house they found 257 handover sheets relating to babies on the neonatal unit.
She has previously said that she didn't keep them on purpose.
Nick Johnson suggests she's lying about this, and took them with her when she moved house.
She denies lying about it.
Lucy Letby has previously said that she took handover notes home in the pockets of her nurses uniform.
Nick Johnson asks her what she did with all the notes every time she washed her uniform. She says she'd put them aside in various places around her house.
Posted at 16:1516:15
Judith Moritz
Lucy Letby says it's normal practice to discard handover notes in confidential waste.
Nick Johnson KC asks why she didn't return 250+ notes to the unit or destroy them. She says it wasn't intentional.
She says "I know they were at my home address, but they were still held in confidence"
Nick Johnson: "held in confidence? They were in a bin bag in your garage.... Do you obey the rules when it suits you?" Lucy Letby answers "no".
Posted at 16:1716:17
Judith Moritz
The court is finishing for the day now and the jury are being sent home.
The cross examination of Lucy Letby will continue tomorrow.
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We're back tomorrow, with a full day of cross examination. You can read today's questioning from Nick Johnson KC back here
Posted at 16:0116:01
Prosecution begins its cross-examination
Judith Moritz
Nick Johnson KC gets on his feet, he's leading the prosecution.
Lucy Letby is crying in the witness box.
He asks Lucy Letby why she cries when she's talking about herself but not about the babies. She replies that she has cried whilst talking about the babies.
This is Lucy Letby's 5th day in the witness box. So far she has only been questioned by her own barrister, Ben Myers KC who is leading the defence.
Posted at 16:0316:03
The scene inside the courtroom
Judith Moritz
Several of the parents of babies who the nurse is alleged to have murdered and attacked are in court to watch today's proceedings.
Lucy Letby is wearing a black suit and blue shirt. She's sitting in the witness box with a prison officer on either side of her.
Her parents are sitting in the public gallery just behind her.
Nick Johnson KC is standing with his arms folded, looking down at Lucy Letby who's sitting in the witness box, almost next to him.
The red-robed judge, Mr Justice Goss is sitting above them.
The jury of 8 women and 4 men are directly opposite nurse Letby.
Posted at 16:0616:06
Prosecution asks Lucy Letby about doctor's evidence
Judith Moritz
Earlier in the trial the jury heard from a doctor, Ravi Jayaram. He says that he walked in to find Lucy Letby after she removed the breathing tube from one of the babies.
Yesterday, Lucy Letby said this never happened. Nick Johnson now says that this is tantamount to accusing the doctor of lying.
Lucy Letby agrees that she is accusing Dr Jayaram of misleading the jury. She denies that she is lying.
Posted at 16:0716:07
Lucy Letby says she didn't keep handover sheets on purpose
Judith Moritz
The trial has heard that when police searched Lucy Letby's house they found 257 handover sheets relating to babies on the neonatal unit.
She has previously said that she didn't keep them on purpose.
Nick Johnson suggests she's lying about this, and took them with her when she moved house.
She denies lying about it.
Lucy Letby has previously said that she took handover notes home in the pockets of her nurses uniform.
Nick Johnson asks her what she did with all the notes every time she washed her uniform. She says she'd put them aside in various places around her house.
Posted at 16:1516:15
Notes were still held in confidence, nurse Letby says
Judith Moritz
Lucy Letby says it's normal practice to discard handover notes in confidential waste.
Nick Johnson KC asks why she didn't return 250+ notes to the unit or destroy them. She says it wasn't intentional.
She says "I know they were at my home address, but they were still held in confidence"
Nick Johnson: "held in confidence? They were in a bin bag in your garage.... Do you obey the rules when it suits you?" Lucy Letby answers "no".
Posted at 16:1716:17
That's all for today
Judith Moritz
The court is finishing for the day now and the jury are being sent home.
The cross examination of Lucy Letby will continue tomorrow.
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I agree ...but it would take a very hard person notto get upset when those bereaved parents took the stand
I think most people would cry at "both"
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