UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #22

[Cluedoneit]

I'll make a little prediction here; I wouldn't at all be surprised if her defence asks for an adjournment so they can have her psychological state assessed as regards her amassing all of this confidential paperwork along with her manic FB searching, etc.

I mean, I don't know if that's even possible at this stage but if it is I can see this coming to pass in the not too distant future.

IMO that’s already been done. It’s typical in cases such as this to ensure fitness to stand trial. It’s such a harrowing case guilty Or innocent that they’d need to make sure her mental and physical health can take it. The Prison service has a duty of care as she’s on remand.

 

[ShireChe]

The handover sheet specifically in a memory box however, really lends credibility to the fact that she is capable of keeping such a document specifically as a memento. That one handover sheet was taken home intentionally to keep. So it’s not necessarily outside the realms of possibility that she’s taken others specifically to keep.

A question for the medical people here; is it quite common for people to document significant events in a diary or similar after the fact as LL has done with the baby’s initials etc? Would there be any reason for a nurse to need to record anything like that?

Certainly it's possible. Just my feeling and it doesn't preclude her from being guilty and I suspect the jury may well align more with your view

 

[SusanDonim]

11:22am

Mr Johnson asks about a sympathy card written to Child I's family.
Letby is asked where she wrote the card.
Letby says she bought the card, but cannot recall where specifically she wrote it.

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Letby says she wouldn't have written it on shift.

Letby is asked why the photo was taken when she was at work.

"The card is written, it has been taken to work to hand over to a colleague who is going to the funeral."

NJ: "Why did you take a picture at the place where the child...died in dreadful circumstances?"

Letby said the place the photo was taken was "insignificant", it was taken before the card was handed over to staff.

Mr Johnson: "Another thing that is insignificant?"

Letby: "I think that is taken out of context."

Mr Johnson: "Did it give you a bit of a thrill?"

LL: "Absolutely not."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

They must have metadata for the pic which would show when (and possibly where? Don't know much about geo stuff) it was taken.

 

[esther43]

Letby is mimicking the behaviour of Dr Evans in her responses.

 

[katydid23]

Dan O'Donoghue


Mr Johnson puts it to Ms Letby that she took the sheets home 'for your little collection'. Ms Letby says 'no'











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Mr Johnson is now turning to a sympathy card she sent to the parents of Child I. The below image was recovered from Ms Letby's phone and was taken on the hospital's neonatal unit







Mr Johnson asks why she took the image at the hospital, the place where Child I had died 'in dreadful circumstances'. Ms Letby said the place she took the image is 'insignificant' and that taking pictures of cards and letters was a normal pattern of behaviour for her

Mr Johnson asks her 'did it give you a bit of thrill taking it at the place where this poor unfortunate child died', she responded 'absolutely not no'

 

[ColourPurple]

DBM

 

[Becky53]

11:09

Letby asked if she took documents out of the bin​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Lucy Letby is asked about a confidential document regarding one of the babies (a blood gas record chart relating to one of the babies) which was also found at her house.
Nick Johnson KC accuses her of "fishing it out of the confidential waste bin".
She says: "I never fished anything out of the confidential waste bin".
He says: "It was for your little collection, wasn't it?" She replies "No".


11:16

Why didn't you tell police about document shredder, Letby asked​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC asks Lucy Letby about her document shredder. When she was arrested she told police that she didn't have a shredder.
A shredder box was found in her bedroom at her parents' house. Nick Johnson asks her why she didn't tell detectives that she did in fact have a shredder.
She says: "I’d just been arrested by the police, locating a shredder wasn’t on my mind".
Johnson adds: "Are you making up bits of evidence as you go along?"
Lucy Letby replies: "No".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

 

[Tortoise]

Letby says she wouldn't have written it on shift.

Letby is asked why the photo was taken when she was at work.

Wouldn't admit writing a card at work.

Great question - why photograph it there then?

 

[ColourPurple]

They must have metadata for the pic which would show when (and possibly where? Don't know much about geo stuff) it was taken.

I think it showed something from the hospital in the background, from memory

 

[Becky53]

11:21

Prosecution turns to a sympathy card Letby sent​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC now says he wants to ask Lucy Letby about a sympathy card which she sent to the parents of baby I.
She took photos of the card on her phone, on the day of the baby girl's funeral.
A reminder, we can't identify any of the babies or the families in this case as there are legal orders which prevent us from doing so.
Baby I was a girl who Lucy Letby is accused of murdering in October 2015.
The photo of the card was taken by the nurse at 04:30am at the hospital, whilst Lucy Letby was on a night shift.

Johnson says: "Why did you write the card at home, and then bring it to work and take a photo of it in the place where the baby had died in dreadful circumstances?"

Lucy Letby answers: "The place is insignificant, I take photos of the majority of cards that I send. This was taken to give to the staff who were going to the funeral".

Johnson asks: "Did it give you a bit of a thrill, taking a picture in the place where the child died?"

Letby replies: "Absolutely not, no".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

 

[katydid23]

He is doing some very important things right now, by making her look less credible, before he begins asking about the babies.

 

[marynnu]

If nothing else, we're now seeing just why the handover sheets are of significance. It did seem a bit of a fuss about not very much at the start, at least in relation to the charges, but it seems they matter a whole lot. JMO.

 

[Becky53]

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Letby asked about time in the neonatal unit after her shift​

Judith Moritz
Inside the courtroom
Nick Johnson KC says: "Did you go into the neonatal unit late at night when you weren’t on shift?"
Lucy Letby replies: "I would sometimes go when not on shift, sometimes to finish paperwork".
Johnson asks: "So there are times when you’ve been on the neonatal unit when there is no trace of you having been there?"
Letby: "There would be a trace because I would have had to swipe, there’s no other way".
Lucy Letby says it would not be unusual for her to still be on the unit a couple of hours after her shift ended.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-65602988

 

[Sundial]

Is that even possible? Are confidential waste boxes not locked so you can't do that?

Depends how full it is. Think if you will like a box or bin that would fit under the nurses station. Just my experience, some are locked, others not. In locked cases if the top of it is full enough, the opening is like a letterbox. Anything sticking out or at the surface could easily be prised out. I’ve worked in other places where confidential waste is a huge hessian sack. However, what strikes me as strange, is she must of been watching said colleague to actually take it out in the first place.
Very odd behaviour imo

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Nick Johnson, asking all the questions we’ve been dying to ask for months. I love this man already!

Myers must be absolutely crying inside. And this is exactly what the words ‘it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court’ mean.

This is some brilliant cross examination, just going to make myself a cuppa because the tea is about to be spilled. Life is on hold because I’m definitely getting nothing else done today…

 

[Tortoise]

Letby: "There would be a trace because I would have had to swipe, there’s no other way".

Except when someone else is going through the door...

 

[Tortoise]

11:33am

Mr Johnson says in the defence, Letby's name is not referred to in the schedule surrounding the events for some babies.
"Are you suggesting the absence of your name [from the schedule]...is showing you hadn't had contact with the child?"
Letby agrees "...in terms of the documentation at that time." She agrees that does not record events such as minor nursing responses if a baby starts crying.
Letby says she has been to the unit on days off, such as finishing documentation that hasn't been done in the day, or seeing colleagues who have been on a course.
Letby says a record would be made as the swipe data would record her entrance, as the only way she could get into the unit.
Mr Johnson says for Child G, Letby did not leave work until 10am on September 7. Letby says: "That's not unusual."
A message is shown from 10.56pm on September 7 - Letby: "She looks awful doesn't she. Hope you get some sleep."
Letby said if there was a sick baby on the unit, "you would go and check on them, that's not unreasonable."
She had looked at Child G's charts, and accepts she was not on duty at that time. Letby said she had been in to finish some documentation.
Mr Johnson tells the court this was a "big day for" Child G, as it was her 100th day. Letby said: "Yeah she's declining bit by bit".
Mr Johnson says there is no record of Letby entering the unit. [BBM]
He suggests Letby does not need a pass to gain entry to the unit.
Letby says she would need a pass to swipe in, and accepts: "Unless another colleague opened the door for me."
Letby adds if she had a legitimate reason to enter the unit, she would have entry accepted.
Letby is asked why she entered the unit at around 11pm, not earlier that day.
Letby: "It's quieter at night - I don't know, I can't say why I've gone in at night."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, May 18 - prosecution cross-examines Letby

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[ColourPurple]

DBM

 

[Tortoise]

I sense a meltdown in the works

 

[Marantz4250b]

I sense a meltdown in the works

Agreed!