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VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #28
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10:26am
The courtroom at Manchester Crown Court is filling up with legal teams, members of the public and press, court staff, and Lucy Letby has arrived.
The trial is due to resume at 10.30am.
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The courtroom at Manchester Crown Court is filling up with legal teams, members of the public and press, court staff, and Lucy Letby has arrived.
The trial is due to resume at 10.30am.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
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Somebody is rushing straight into the shredder!!!Do you have that in hours please so I can add you to the list, don't worry there is time
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10:31am
The trial judge, Mr Justice James Goss, has entered the courtroom.
10:32am
The 12 members of the jury are now coming into court, and the trial will resume with the judge's closing section of his summing up.
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The trial judge, Mr Justice James Goss, has entered the courtroom.
10:32am
The 12 members of the jury are now coming into court, and the trial will resume with the judge's closing section of his summing up.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
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10:36am
Before the judge resumes, the jury is presented with a final selection of documents, which are for reference purposes, to add to their jury bundles.
10:40am
The judge now refers to the case of Child Q, a baby boy born on June 22, 2016 at the Countess of Chester Hospital. He weighed 2,076g at birth, and required breathing support - he was taken to the neonatal unit.
There were no signs of infection, the judge says.
Three days later, on June 25, Child Q had a profound desaturation and vomit. the prosecution say this was liquid, and possibly air, being forced down the NGT. They say possible mild NEC would not account for the type of desaturation and recovery. The defence say developing NEC cannot be excluded.
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Before the judge resumes, the jury is presented with a final selection of documents, which are for reference purposes, to add to their jury bundles.
10:40am
The judge now refers to the case of Child Q, a baby boy born on June 22, 2016 at the Countess of Chester Hospital. He weighed 2,076g at birth, and required breathing support - he was taken to the neonatal unit.
There were no signs of infection, the judge says.
Three days later, on June 25, Child Q had a profound desaturation and vomit. the prosecution say this was liquid, and possibly air, being forced down the NGT. They say possible mild NEC would not account for the type of desaturation and recovery. The defence say developing NEC cannot be excluded.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…
Is it 6hrs per day?Do you have that in hours of deliberation please so I can add you to the list, don't worry there is time
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10:43am
For June 23-24, Tanya Downes was designated nurse for Child Q. She noted 'coffee ground' style amounts of bile in Child Q. 1.5ml of bile was aspirated at 4am.
The nurse recalled Child Q had to be readmitted in July 2016 with gut problems, at the out-of-hours clinic.
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For June 23-24, Tanya Downes was designated nurse for Child Q. She noted 'coffee ground' style amounts of bile in Child Q. 1.5ml of bile was aspirated at 4am.
The nurse recalled Child Q had to be readmitted in July 2016 with gut problems, at the out-of-hours clinic.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
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Various bundles/documents are currently being handed to the jury, which will assist them with their deliberations later today
Judge Goss is now turning to the final count on the indictment, Child Q. He was born in late June 2016 and was "initially stable" after his birth, but jurors heard he deteriorated and needed breathing support shortly after 09:00 on 25 June.
The prosecution said Ms Letby injected air and fluid into the boy's stomach via a nasogastric tube.
A medical expert for the prosecution said vomit found on Child Q was evidence that liquid had been given to him and his respiratory problems were likely caused by the fluid, which placed pressure on his diaphragm and prevented him from breathing.
The defence has said there was no evidence Ms Letby inflicted harm.
The defence has said there was no evidence Ms Letby inflicted harm.
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Various bundles/documents are currently being handed to the jury, which will assist them with their deliberations later today
Judge Goss is now turning to the final count on the indictment, Child Q. He was born in late June 2016 and was "initially stable" after his birth, but jurors heard he deteriorated and needed breathing support shortly after 09:00 on 25 June.
The prosecution said Ms Letby injected air and fluid into the boy's stomach via a nasogastric tube.
A medical expert for the prosecution said vomit found on Child Q was evidence that liquid had been given to him and his respiratory problems were likely caused by the fluid, which placed pressure on his diaphragm and prevented him from breathing.
The defence has said there was no evidence Ms Letby inflicted harm.
The defence has said there was no evidence Ms Letby inflicted harm.
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10:50am
Child Q was tolerating feeds and there were "intermittent, moderate acidic" aspirates, a sign the milk was being partly digested, by the early hours of June 25.
Blood gas readings showed a drop in pH results, and nurse Samantha O'Brien noted, after the doctor's review, was for the current plan of care to be continued.
She said Child Q had been stable, and the reviewing doctor had no concerns.
Letby, designated nurse for Child Q on the day of June 25, said she was informed Child Q had large aspirates overnight, so he was not in good condition.
At about 9.10am, Child Q's alarm sounded, and he desaturated. Nurse Mary Griffith had been giving cares to another baby in the room with Letby and Child Q, with her back to Child Q.
Shortly after Letby left the room, Child Q's alarm went off. Nurse Griffith was mid-feed and could not go over immediately, and Minna Lappalainen was called over to Child Q, and began Neopuffing the baby.
Nurse Lappalainen recalled the alarm going off and could see Child Q had been sick, with mucus coming out of his mouth. She filled in the apnoea/fit/brady chart, a desat of 68 and brady of 98. "brady 98; desat 68; fit ?; baby found to be very mucousy, clear mucous from nasopharynx oropharynx removed clear fluid +++. O2 via neopuff given post suctioning...NGT used to aspirate stomach by Nurse L Letby"
10:51am
Letby noted: '[0910 Child Q] attended to by SN Lappalainen – he had vomited clear fluid nasally and from mouth, desaturation and bradycardia, mottled ++. Neopuff and suction applied...reg attended. Air++ aspirated from NG Tube'
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Child Q was tolerating feeds and there were "intermittent, moderate acidic" aspirates, a sign the milk was being partly digested, by the early hours of June 25.
Blood gas readings showed a drop in pH results, and nurse Samantha O'Brien noted, after the doctor's review, was for the current plan of care to be continued.
She said Child Q had been stable, and the reviewing doctor had no concerns.
Letby, designated nurse for Child Q on the day of June 25, said she was informed Child Q had large aspirates overnight, so he was not in good condition.
At about 9.10am, Child Q's alarm sounded, and he desaturated. Nurse Mary Griffith had been giving cares to another baby in the room with Letby and Child Q, with her back to Child Q.
Shortly after Letby left the room, Child Q's alarm went off. Nurse Griffith was mid-feed and could not go over immediately, and Minna Lappalainen was called over to Child Q, and began Neopuffing the baby.
Nurse Lappalainen recalled the alarm going off and could see Child Q had been sick, with mucus coming out of his mouth. She filled in the apnoea/fit/brady chart, a desat of 68 and brady of 98. "brady 98; desat 68; fit ?; baby found to be very mucousy, clear mucous from nasopharynx oropharynx removed clear fluid +++. O2 via neopuff given post suctioning...NGT used to aspirate stomach by Nurse L Letby"
10:51am
Letby noted: '[0910 Child Q] attended to by SN Lappalainen – he had vomited clear fluid nasally and from mouth, desaturation and bradycardia, mottled ++. Neopuff and suction applied...reg attended. Air++ aspirated from NG Tube'
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
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7 counts of murder
15 counts of attempted murder of 10 babies
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10:55am
Letby said, in police interview, she had returned to nursery 2 to see Child Q being tended to by nurse Lappalainen. When asked about the air in Child Q's stomach, she said sometimes babies gulp when they vomit, and there could have been a blockage in the bowel.
She said she would not have left room 2 if Child Q was not stable. She denied causing Child Q harm, or leaving the room so she had an alibi from the incident.
In evidence, she said Child Q had a low temperature, and was concerned about that. She said she arranged with nurses Lappalainen and Griffith for when she went to nursery 1 and was there for a few minutes.
For the 9am feed for Child Q, the Oxygen and saturation levels are missing. She said those omissions were "a mistake".
She said the baby in room 1 was an intensive care baby, so she could not have left that baby for too long.
She said she had no part in giving Neopuff after Child Q needed oxygen. She said she was told air++ had been aspirated from the NG Tube. She said the collapse, relatively, was 'not serious'.
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Letby said, in police interview, she had returned to nursery 2 to see Child Q being tended to by nurse Lappalainen. When asked about the air in Child Q's stomach, she said sometimes babies gulp when they vomit, and there could have been a blockage in the bowel.
She said she would not have left room 2 if Child Q was not stable. She denied causing Child Q harm, or leaving the room so she had an alibi from the incident.
In evidence, she said Child Q had a low temperature, and was concerned about that. She said she arranged with nurses Lappalainen and Griffith for when she went to nursery 1 and was there for a few minutes.
For the 9am feed for Child Q, the Oxygen and saturation levels are missing. She said those omissions were "a mistake".
She said the baby in room 1 was an intensive care baby, so she could not have left that baby for too long.
She said she had no part in giving Neopuff after Child Q needed oxygen. She said she was told air++ had been aspirated from the NG Tube. She said the collapse, relatively, was 'not serious'.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
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11:03am
A male doctor was called to the unit. He noted as a result of the Neopuffing, Child Q's saturations returned to 100%. The baby was moved to room 1 and put on CPAP, and given antibiotics as a precaution.
He was presumed, at this time, to have sepsis. A blood test could not give a reason for the vomit, the judge says.
A chest x-ray showed a 'trace of fluid', and 'no suggestion of a large amount of foreign matter' or a sign of infection.
Dr John Gibbs said the collapse did not fit with a baby who was tired.
It was decided to intubuate Child Q and put him on a ventilator.
A female doctor examined Child Q noted the blood gases were acceptable. Child Q was 'very unsettled at times' but there were no signs of concern, she recalled. She saw a sign of respiratory acidosis, and the ventilator settings were changed. Amy Davies said Child Q was restless at times.
On June 26, Child Q showed a loop in the bowel. Arrangements were made to transfer Child Q to Alder Hey Children's Hospital. A consultant there stated in agreed evidence that Child Q had been admitted due to concerns over his deteriorating condition. When assessed, Child Q was stable and his abdomen 'very slightly swollen'.
By the night of June 26, he was assessed as 'very stable', with 'subtle signs of NEC', and was taken off the ventilator by June 27. The decision was made to transfer Child Q back to the Countess of Chester Hospital on June 28.
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A male doctor was called to the unit. He noted as a result of the Neopuffing, Child Q's saturations returned to 100%. The baby was moved to room 1 and put on CPAP, and given antibiotics as a precaution.
He was presumed, at this time, to have sepsis. A blood test could not give a reason for the vomit, the judge says.
A chest x-ray showed a 'trace of fluid', and 'no suggestion of a large amount of foreign matter' or a sign of infection.
Dr John Gibbs said the collapse did not fit with a baby who was tired.
It was decided to intubuate Child Q and put him on a ventilator.
A female doctor examined Child Q noted the blood gases were acceptable. Child Q was 'very unsettled at times' but there were no signs of concern, she recalled. She saw a sign of respiratory acidosis, and the ventilator settings were changed. Amy Davies said Child Q was restless at times.
On June 26, Child Q showed a loop in the bowel. Arrangements were made to transfer Child Q to Alder Hey Children's Hospital. A consultant there stated in agreed evidence that Child Q had been admitted due to concerns over his deteriorating condition. When assessed, Child Q was stable and his abdomen 'very slightly swollen'.
By the night of June 26, he was assessed as 'very stable', with 'subtle signs of NEC', and was taken off the ventilator by June 27. The decision was made to transfer Child Q back to the Countess of Chester Hospital on June 28.
Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 10 - judge's summing up, jury out
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Judge Goss is reminding the jury of the evidence in this case, he is taking them back over what clinicians said about Child Q - he was assessed to be 'stable' before and subsequent to his collapse
Judge Goss summarises what Child Q's mother said about his health in the years following his discharge from the Countess of Chester. She said he was 'in and out of hospital many times' with 'various infections'.
Clinicians expect Child Q to live a normal lifespan, but have said he will require regular observations
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apologies for being irritatingly pedantic but because some of the children in the indictment are/were twins or triplets there won't be 34 parents. It's 28 I think?
Otherwise, spot on.
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If LL is proved to be not guilty then personally I don't see a need for her to get a new ID as of course it rendered she didn't do anything wrong.
Same with her parents they would be able to get on with their life knowing their daughter was innocent.
Maybe of course they might consider moving, but that would be their choice to do that to maybe feel better in themselves to move.
If LL is guilty of course then I think her parents would then move away without question.
Same with her parents they would be able to get on with their life knowing their daughter was innocent.
Maybe of course they might consider moving, but that would be their choice to do that to maybe feel better in themselves to move.
If LL is guilty of course then I think her parents would then move away without question.
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