VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

[WaxLyrical]

The reason I was not shocked is because my uncle told me that old hospitals were a nightmare for plumbing issues. So many rooms with so many different things going on. So much wear and tear on shoe string budgets. '

You say they let it go on'---but what can be done other than having the plumber there trying to fix things?

They could tear the place down and build a brand new hospital of course. But what are the chances of that happening to every old hospital?

None of the babies in this case died because of plumbing back ups. So it is a red herring that Meyers tried to use as a deflection.

They’d already been fundraising for the baby grow appeal for three years, they had the means to fix the issues, for whatever reason they chose not to and were happy to just keep calling the plumber out to patch things up week after week. Until they did finally fix it after an exceptional length of time. It’s disgraceful.

 

[WaxLyrical]

I agree with you, it's shocking.

However, the types of illnesses that arise from insanitary premises are seemingly not related to what ended the lives of the poor babies.

Now I'm starting to wonder if LL is guilty, was she also maliciously putting inappropriate things in the toilets and sinks? The plumber described a hand towel that had been 'forced' into the drain if I recall correctly. Seemed a bit odd.

the truth is, a hospital managed in this shoddy way would be the perfect place for anyone wanting to cause harm and stay under the radar.

 

[marynnu]

the truth is, a hospital managed in this shoddy way would be the perfect place for anyone wanting to cause harm and stay under the radar.

How so?

 

[Dotta]

Dbm

 

[mummyshark]

I've had a thought...wonder if the dismissed juror is getting married today or tomorrow. Would explain why the other jurors thought it would be off next week and also explain the "this was inevitable" comment. And also the comment about no contact between them (eg no wedding pics!). It is wedding season after all and in Oct she would have thought this would long be over by now

I got married last weekend but my interest in this trial hasn't waned. I'm not ashamed to say that on Monday this week, my priority wasn't married bliss, but the Lucy Letby trial!

 

[WaxLyrical]

How so?

Because it shows the attitude of the management when it comes to risk assessment and mitigation. If a restaurant had sewage in the floor, it would be shut down by environmental health. And it’s servicing people who have, on the whole, adequate immune systems.

This is a hospital, where legislation dictates that their waste is so hazardous that it can’t even be disposed of alongside normal domestic sewage, who thought it was fine to just brush that problem under the carpet with vulnerable little babies lying there 24/7.

Look how often these superbugs kill people who go into hospital for a minor issue and never come out. This was a risk the management was prepared to take again and again and again with these babies! For months and months.

And so when such a level of underlying risk is already present and deemed acceptable, it makes you question what other risks they’re turning a blind eye to. And when oversight is so severely lacking, bad people can do bad things.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

the truth is, a hospital managed in this shoddy way would be the perfect place for anyone wanting to cause harm and stay under the radar.

True enough, however, I do feel that in general terms people who work in nursing and medicine aren't looking to cause harm so the main reason they stay under the radar is because it's so rare and almost unbelievable.

We're a bit more used to 'bent cops' and 'rogue bank traders' or 'corrupt politicians' in our society but evil murderous nurses isn't quite a fully developed concept (yet, and may it never be so).

 

[Parker Knoll]

Awww … CONGRATULATIONS !
We could all use some good news on this thread !

 

[Kemug]

Don't forget the ice cream, please!!!
It is summer after all!!!

Look, Im coming on my bike with a company!

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I'm sorry, but is doggie facing forwards or backwards?

 

[Kemug]

I wonder if the jurors felt they were almost there, and therefore made these appointments for next week.

RSBM
Are y'all thinking that these appointments were made recently? Because I'm not so sure about that. Is it really that quick and easy to see your doctor in England? Down here in Oz you can't always see your preferred doctor exactly when you want to, you may have to wait a little while, or choose someone else.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

RSBM
Are y'all thinking that these appointments were made recently? Because I'm not so sure about that. Is it really that quick and easy to see your doctor in England? Down here in Oz you can't always see your preferred doctor exactly when you want to, you may have to wait a little while, or choose someone else.

You'd usually have to book at least a few days ahead; sometimes a couple of weeks or more.

 

[Dotta]

I'm sorry, but is doggie facing forwards or backwards?

Always forwards

 

[marynnu]

Because it shows the attitude of the management when it comes to risk assessment and mitigation. If a restaurant had sewage in the floor, it would be shut down by environmental health. And it’s servicing people who have, on the whole, adequate immune systems.

This is a hospital, where legislation dictates that their waste is so hazardous that it can’t even be disposed of alongside normal domestic sewage, who thought it was fine to just brush that problem under the carpet with vulnerable little babies lying there 24/7.

Look how often these superbugs kill people who go into hospital for a minor issue and never come out. This was a risk the management was prepared to take again and again and again with these babies! For months and months.

And so when such a level of underlying risk is already present and deemed acceptable, it makes you question what other risks they’re turning a blind eye to. And when oversight is so severely lacking, bad people can do bad things.

Even if it had been as bad as you seem to think, I don't see how that is remotely relevant to this case to be honest.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I'm sorry, but is doggie facing forwards or backwards?

Rude question

 

[crystalline]

I understand the point on sewage to be fair, and after this case the hospital should have some explaining to do IMO.

However the sewage and other hospital downfalls didn't give insulin to babies, or cause the other other causes associated with these babies, these were the results of a human interference. And that's where we are at the moment.

Interesting regarding the towl being found in the sewage, I don't recall reading that about that, but it is a strange thing, perhaps same guilty person was creating the sabotage themselves.

 

[Dotta]

Interesting regarding the towl being found in the sewage, I don't recall reading that about that, but it is a strange thing, perhaps same guilty person was creating the sabotage ththemselves.

Re the towels in the sink

I remember reading it was suggested some kids did it while visiting with parents.
Anybody remembers it?

Sure, LL is an alleged perp but can we accuse her of ALL downfalls happening in this hospital?

JmO

 

[crystalline]

Re the towels in the sink

I remember reading it was suggested some kids did it while visiting with parents.
Anybody remembers it?

Sure, LL is an alleged perp but can we accuse her of ALL downfalls happening in this hospital?

JmO

Ahh, I dont recall the towels at all, yes that makes sense, kids being kids, more than likely.

No certainly not, the hospital and rightly so will have more questions to answer once this is over I would think?

 

[Dotta]

Ahh, I dont recall the towels at all, yes that makes sense, kids being kids, more than likely.

No certainly not, the hospital and rightly so will have more questions to answer once this is over I would think?

Absolutely!

But it is a different place now.
Modernised and with new management.

 

[Becky53]

Re the towels in the sink

I remember reading it was suggested some kids did it while visiting with parents.
Anybody remembers it?

Sure, LL is an alleged perp but can we accuse her of ALL downfalls happening in this hospital?

JmO

I remember the incident being mentioned by the plumber/maintenance man.

11:37am

Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, asks Mr Mansutti questions.
Mr Mansutti agrees that one of the problems for the flooding was adults 'putting things down sinks'.
One incident is somebody 'forcing a wipe towel down a sink'. Mr Mansutti accepts an incident did take place.
He says none of the incidents led to no hand washing facilities availability, and there is a system in place.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

The jury were sent home after his evidence of an hour so an afternoon wasted imo. JMO

 

[marynnu]

I remember the incident being mentioned by the plumber/maintenance man.

11:37am

Nicholas Johnson KC, for the prosecution, asks Mr Mansutti questions.
Mr Mansutti agrees that one of the problems for the flooding was adults 'putting things down sinks'.
One incident is somebody 'forcing a wipe towel down a sink'. Mr Mansutti accepts an incident did take place.
He says none of the incidents led to no hand washing facilities availability, and there is a system in place.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, June 14 - defence continues

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

The jury were sent home after his evidence of an hour so an afternoon wasted imo. JMO

You have to ask yourself what kind of adult does this.