VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

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Honeybirdette said:
That’s so true. An entire day missed for one appointment? Is the judge feeling ok? Why is he allowing this?
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We don't know how many appointments there are on Monday.
Several Jurors asked for time off earlier.

I guess these are folks who don't work any more, as only they could agree to such a long trial.
And with passing years more health issues appear.

Just my neutral opinion
 
Honeybirdette said:
They’re not children. They don’t need a lie down and a week off cause they heard some distressing evidence one day. At what point does the patience run out?!
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Right, but they also don’t owe you a verdict. They’re dealing with a very significant and important case, and the verdict due is one that has serious consequences. The delays are frustrating but we’re not entitled to ask for them to hurry it up at our beck and call.
 
Honeybirdette said:
They’re not children. They don’t need a lie down and a week off cause they heard some distressing evidence one day. At what point does the patience run out?!
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I didn't say that. Though I find your comment very judgemental. You have no idea what is happening in their lives. They're not there for our convenience or entertainment.
 
I can see both sides to this. On the one hand I believe for the sake of the parents, the jury should be doing a solid 8 hours per day.
The only suitable excuse is urgent medical appointments but the jurors should be talking to their health care providers and explaining that they are summoned to be in court and those medical providers should be moving them to 8.30 am or 9.00am appointments so at least a full five or six hours can be achieved. They need to have mercy on the parents and the order of things should reflect that. If it's for holidays and child care and things like that well I think that is exceptionally selfish. On the other hand, I think the jury should take as long is as needed, rushing things would be no good, they have to find the right verdict I just wish they'd put the time in.
 
esther43 said:
I can see both sides to this. On the one hand I believe for the sake of the parents, the jury should be doing a solid 8 hours per day.
The only suitable excuse is urgent medical appointments but the jurors should be talking to their health care providers and explaining that they are summoned to be in court and those medical providers should be moving them to 8.30 am or 9.00am appointments so at least a full five or six hours can be achieved. They need to have mercy on the parents and the order of things should reflect that. If it's for holidays and child care and things like that well I think that is exceptionally selfish. On the other hand, I think the jury should take as long is as needed, rushing things would be no good, they have to find the right verdict I just wish they'd put the time in
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Im not sure if you are in the UK or not, but given the state of the NHS at the moment you would have absolutely no luck trying to tell your doctor/hospital when you should have an appointment. It's a case of grabbing any appointment if you are lucky enough to get one
 
marynnu said:
Is it just me who is fine with juror absences? They've been involved with this distressing case since October. They have lives too so cut them some slack.
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It's not just you.

Those who have an ongoing problem with the pace of the deliberations have made it all about their entitled selves.

They couldn't give a toss about the jury, all they're concerned about is the personal inconvenience the 'delay' is causing them.

It's peak petulance, nothing less, and really not a good look for those who claim to want to see justice served.
 
I'm getting a bit tired of the repeated attacks on the jury - last time I saw a count of jury-related days off mentioned here it was about 27, so at worst it'll be around 30 now. Divide by 12 and it's only 2.5 days per juror. Over 10 months. Maybe the more critical posters here can put their entire lives on hold and guarantee they'd need no time off in 10 months but most people have life to deal with.

Using myself as an example, I've often had periods of quiet that lasted ages but other times things happen - in the next month alone I have a doctors appointment, a dentist appointment and a funeral to attend. The funeral timing is not down to me to decide, and as I'm not rich enough to go private, I accept the appointment times the NHS give me as otherwise it adds weeks/months to my wait! Another time my other half and I had three close family bereavements in three months to deal with, one involving very long travel times. Life happens; in a trial so long with 12 different people's entirely separate lives involved, we're lucky there haven't been more delays.
 
esther43 said:
I can see both sides to this. On the one hand I believe for the sake of the parents, the jury should be doing a solid 8 hours per day.
The only suitable excuse is urgent medical appointments but the jurors should be talking to their health care providers and explaining that they are summoned to be in court and those medical providers should be moving them to 8.30 am or 9.00am appointments so at least a full five or six hours can be achieved. They need to have mercy on the parents and the order of things should reflect that. If it's for holidays and child care and things like that well I think that is exceptionally selfish. On the other hand, I think the jury should take as long is as needed, rushing things would be no good, they have to find the right verdict I just wish they'd put the time in.
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Childcare is not a selfish reason, it’s just basic parental responsibility. If there’s nobody else to look after the child, then no much you can do about it.
 
ADMIN NOTE:

Leave this jury alone !!

This thread is to discuss the trial, not to disparage the jury who are doing their duty in a very convoluted case.

None of you are on that jury to know what they are dealing with. Juries will deliberate until they have a verdict or don't, and no amount of snark or disparaging comments will change that outcome.

If you can't find anything else to discuss while waiting for a verdict, there are hundreds of other threads you might consider ... sometimes even just checking into another current case or a cold case to leave an encouraging comment for family or friends may make a difference in someone else's life.
 
ShireChe said:
Im not sure if you are in the UK or not, but given the state of the NHS at the moment you would have absolutely no luck trying to tell your doctor/hospital when you should have an appointment. It's a case of grabbing any appointment if you are lucky enough to get one
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Yes UK based. Pretty sure I could find a way round it if I was motivated tbh. Just got to be a little bit pushy. You can also get a Dr online at any time of day if you pay £15. Not like you get to see your own Dr these days any how!
 
Cliche or not, it will take as long as it takes. This is a tremendously important decision under a lot of pressure and it is imperative the jury feel like they have come to the right decision on everything. The responsibility on their shoulders is massive - ultimately destroy the life of a young woman or potentially let a serial child killer loose.
 
I know a family near me whose child needs regular visits to a specialist over an hour away. Add possible tests, waiting time, delays etc and that's easily half a day, if the appointment is actually scheduled very early or very late. If not, whole day, and specialists aren't something where just seeing another random doctor works. Plenty of possible appointment scenarios out there that can't just be solved with "motivation".
 
Length of Deliberations Predictions

Jul
Mon 10th - day 1 (afternoon only) - 2pm to 4pm minus 5mins = 1h 55m
Tue 11th - day 2 - 4h 20m
Wed 12th - day 3 - 4h 20m
Thu 13th - day 4 - 4h 20m
Fri 14th - day 5 - 4h 20m
Mon 24th - day 6 - 4h 20m
Tue 25th - day 7 - 4h 20m
Wed 26th - day 8 - 4h 15m
Thu 27th - day 9 - 4h 20m
Fri 28th - day 10 - 3h 50m (12pm - 4pm minus 2x 5 min breaks)
Aug
Tue 1st - day 11 - 4h 10m
Wed 2nd - day 12 - 4h 20m
Thu 3rd - day 13 - 4h 10m
Fri 4th - day 14 - 4h 15m
Tue 8th - day 15 - 4h 20m (majority direction given at 3pm)
Wed 9th - day 16 - 4h 20m
Thu 10th - day 17 - 4h (12pm to 4pm - assumed no lunch break)
Fri 11th - day 18 - 3h 25m (1pm to 4.30pm minus 5m)

Running total = 73h 20m


Still in the game -

75h - @CS2C (backed by @Kittybunny , @DianaWW , @Diddly1 and @Parker Knoll )
80h - @V347 (backed by @crystalline and @Jw192 )
 
ShireChe said:
It's been 9 months. They also have their own lives and their own lives don't stop just because they are on a jury.
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Yes, 9 months is a long time. I'm sure they put off many regular appointments during the past 9, actually 10 now, months of jury duty. And it caught up with them?

Maybe someone has a bad tooth that now needs medical treatment that cannot be delayed any longer? Any number of medical issues can arise over a 10 month span of time.

Some jurors may have children that need some medical attention occasionally.
 
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