As someone who didn’t get the “normal social rules” manual that most people seem to have received at birth, i think about this a lot during cases like this.
I’ve definitely said the wrong thing to patients’ parents at work sometimes. I’ve also said the perfect thing sometimes, too, though. It’s hard to know what to say on emotionally fraught situations; hard to know what the other person needs to hear.
I’m sure I frequently do things other people consider odd or strange. If you went through my internet history and text messages looking for evidence of me being a weirdo it wouldn’t be hard to paint a sinister picture.
I suppose that’s why I find this type of evidence a little unnerving. It’s an uncomfortable reminder that the standard, neurotypical, mentally healthy mind is still held up as “acceptable normal” and all deviations from that are treated with suspicion.
I think that you assessment of ICU nurses being "straightforward" is correct for most. Actually for most nurses working in an intensive area I would say that is the case. I have 33 years of experience in nursing 20 in Labour and Delivery. I can say in all honesty that I do tend to be very direct in a crisis. That being said though I show a great deal of compassion and empathy. Some of the things they are insinuating were said by LL are completely insensitive and inappropriate.This is where I would be interested in "character witnesses". To find out whether answering "yes, he is dying" was intense cruelty or just mere bluntness that is typical for some people, and maybe, was common for LL?
Maybe LL is not the master of consoling words? To add, in my observation, doctors and nurses working in ICUs don't necessarily enjoy talking to relatives. They work very hard but are often not the bearers of good news. How hard it is on them? The other side is also true, they don't get as many "thanks" and flowers as, say, surgeons, and the hardest work in medicine falls on ICU staff.
I don't know about the spirit of NICUs. Maybe slightly different, but still, they are ICUs. So if someone tells me that people working there are more straightforward, I won't be surprised. It doesn't mean that they don't cry afterwards, but perhaps it is hard to find the right words when they are losing a baby?
In general, they are very smart, capable and caring.
I don't know how this case will end, I am a tad split here.
I think that you assessment of ICU nurses being "straightforward" is correct for most. Actually for most nurses working in an intensive area I would say that is the case. I have 33 years of experience in nursing 20 in Labour and Delivery. I can say in all honesty that I do tend to be very direct in a crisis. That being said though I show a great deal of compassion and empathy. Some of the things they are insinuating were said by LL are completely insensitive and inappropriate.
As someone who didn’t get the “normal social rules” manual that most people seem to have received at birth, i think about this a lot during cases like this.
I’ve definitely said the wrong thing to patients’ parents at work sometimes. I’ve also said the perfect thing sometimes, too, though. It’s hard to know what to say on emotionally fraught situations; hard to know what the other person needs to hear.
I’m sure I frequently do things other people consider odd or strange. If you went through my internet history and text messages looking for evidence of me being a weirdo it wouldn’t be hard to paint a sinister picture.
I suppose that’s why I find this type of evidence a little unnerving. It’s an uncomfortable reminder that the standard, neurotypical, mentally healthy mind is still held up as “acceptable normal” and all deviations from that are treated with suspicion.
I think that you assessment of ICU nurses being "straightforward" is correct for most. Actually for most nurses working in an intensive area I would say that is the case. I have 33 years of experience in nursing 20 in Labour and Delivery. I can say in all honesty that I do tend to be very direct in a crisis. That being said though I show a great deal of compassion and empathy. Some of the things they are insinuating were said by LL are completely insensitive and inappropriate.
Yes, especially since child A, B and C died unexpectedly, within days of each other, it's hard to believe she didn't remember searching the parent's FB, among other things.I don’t buy this. I trust the parents’ perceptions. There is a difference between the bog standard situation of a well-meaning person not knowing what to say. Versus a person behaving strangely due to trying and failing to fake empathy to parents whose baby has just died. I trust that the parents’ perceptions of LL’s inappropriate and callous behaviour were not them being intolerant of mere social awkwardness.
We all have a Facebook stalk now and then. In itself LL’s searches are not unusual. The timings of some of her searches however, paint a certain picture, and most importantly, the fact she was totally unable to explain her searches when questioned by police. She couldn’t even begin to think of an innocent explanation.
Either that, or she knew why it happened but didn't want to say.I think Lucy is kind of saying that with three collapses and two deaths within days of each other and this being a statistical anomaly or otherwise unexplained that fate is why it happened. Just meant to be, kind of throwing your hands up and saying I don’t have an answer other than it was what it was supposed to be. In loo of a medical answer it must be what the gods have chosen. External to any persons zone of control.
I don’t quite understand her logic in saying that. Maybe I’m missing something? If you’re not good enough to care for a baby, let’s say baby C, why don’t you just leave it to the nurse that was designated to look after it. Why allegedly kill the baby? Same with the others, why not quit being a nurse or ask to be assigned to the most healthy babies in room 3 instead of room 1. This thing she wrote really confuses me.I think in her note she hinted about motive, when she said she did it on purpose because she wasn't good enough.
Either that, or she knew why it happened but didn't want to say.
I think in her note she hinted about motive, when she said she did it on purpose because she wasn't good enough.
I don’t quite understand her logic in saying that. Maybe I’m missing something? If you’re not good enough to care for a baby, let’s say baby C, why don’t you just leave it to the nurse that was designated to look after it. Why allegedly kill the baby? Same with the others, why not quit being a nurse or ask to be assigned to the most healthy babies in room 3 instead of room 1. This thing she wrote really confuses me.
Either that, or she knew why it happened but didn't want to say.
I think in her note she hinted about motive, when she said she did it on purpose because she wasn't good enough 100%
So much for not mentioning the note again :/Think it has with a few people. If you look at the rest of the note it would point at someone writing stuff down and feeling very low self esteem. “She’s isn’t good enough to deliver the necessary care” not “I blame them for my own perceived inadequacy”. I genuinely believe the presence of the words “on purpose” changes the meaning of the note. Those words wouldn’t be present in a straight confession which would be “I killed them because I’m not good enough” there is no doubt in those words. It’s a confession and a reason. Motive and confession. You might come to that conclusion if you acknowledge that Lucy was talking to herself in which case she doesn’t need to add the “on purpose” as she would have no doubt as to whether or not it was done deliberately. She wouldn’t need to clarify to herself that she had done it deliberately. I think.
This can be said about anyone. Why do some people do murder-suicide? Why kill innocent people if you alone want to die?I don’t quite understand her logic in saying that. Maybe I’m missing something? If you’re not good enough to care for a baby, let’s say baby C, why don’t you just leave it to the nurse that was designated to look after it. Why allegedly kill the baby? Same with the others, why not quit being a nurse or ask to be assigned to the most healthy babies in room 3 instead of room 1. This thing she wrote really confuses me.
Maybe give it a rest until the note comes back up in evidence? You seem to really obsess over this note and I can't understand why, when there are so many other things currently being discussed in the case.I’m not going to push it but will state my opinion if it provides another with information that might help elucidate any confusion or ponderance they have about something. Many people have raised issue with that note suggesting that other interpretations are possible and no one else has provided an alternative potential meaning to it other than taking it at face value. As far as I know.