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”caused”?
Impossible to tell but I'd say it's either a d ,b,l or t. Or I guess it could even be an exclamation mark!
”caused”?
Very difficult to say. Try magnifying that part of the note. underneath the layers of ink at the top bit of the circle I’m sure you can make out some letters. Looks like ie in capitals or I C. Really really difficult to make out though.Impossible to tell but I'd say it's either a d ,b,l or t. Or I guess it could even be an exclamation mark!
I'm really not getting an impartial vibe from your posts at all.
More of a strong denial that the note could possibly be in any way, shape or form, a confession.
"it would certainly bolster the prosecution if they had of said the note in question was “found obviously hidden”that is my opinion yes.
im not actually arguing for or against I’m just exploring potential reasons, trying to be as impartial as possible.
im actually still caught up on the insulin case.
do you not think the prosecution would have added to information about the note anything about it being deliberately hidden if that was obvious in the evidence gathered? Suggests it’s location is ambiguous.
I did actually recall the protestations of innocence being referred to by mr Myers My mistake.
it would certainly bolster the prosecution if they had of said the note in question was “found obviously hidden”
TodayIt doesn’t look as though we’re even getting a write up today. Well I haven’t been able to find one yet anyway.
Thank you!Today
Medics left needle inside baby's chest, Lucy Letby trial hears
The prosecution alleges Lucy Letby, 33, somehow sabotaged the infant's treatment on two separate occasions on successive night shifts in the neonatal unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital.www.dailymail.co.uk
"it would certainly bolster the prosecution if they had of said the note in question was “found obviously hidden”
Why would that bolster the prosecution? I'd think it would be more damning if it was left in a prominent, obvious place, like it was meant to be found.
Another confusing day from the write up.
In regards to the chest drain fitted by Dr Jayaram. The defence are going with the fact it was fitted in a "sub-optimal" position but we heard today it was fitted in an emergency procedure as a life saving aid. And it did just that.
Also what are the facts regarding Dr Jayaram's intended position when he was doing this procedure? The evidence seems to suggest a build up of air in a lower position and therefore it was his intention to insert it as he did.
There seems to be a focus on a medication that was delayed and helps to relax the lungs. Not sure what to make of this?
Is it sub-optimal care?
or the medical team acting in the moment to an emergency situation created by sabotage?
Dr Bohin says that regardless of this, it would certainly have not have caused a cardiac arrest
So what could have caused the cardiac arrest?
Im not even sure if it is from today or yesterday.Another confusing day from the write up.
In regards to the chest drain fitted by Dr Jayaram. The defence are going with the fact it was fitted in a "sub-optimal" position but we heard today it was fitted in an emergency procedure as a life saving aid. And it did just that.
Also what are the facts regarding Dr Jayaram's intended position when he was doing this procedure? The evidence seems to suggest a build up of air in a lower position and therefore it was his intention to insert it as he did.
There seems to be a focus on a medication that was delayed and helps to relax the lungs. Not sure what to make of this?
Is it sub-optimal care?
or the medical team acting in the moment to an emergency situation created by sabotage?
Dr Bohin says that regardless of this, it would certainly have not have caused a cardiac arrest
So what could have caused the cardiac arrest?
Im not even sure if it is from today or yesterday.
Shouldn't it be about Baby I?
But I sent the latest report - in fact it was only 7 mins "old" when I posted it
Hi at the beginning of what you say who is the pediatrician do u know ? Thanks"The paediatrician agreed that there had been delays in intubating Baby H and in giving her surfactant, a protein used to help relax an infant's lungs. The latter delay meant that when the baby was ventilated the increased air pressure needed had the effect of worsening her pneumothorax"...
She said the butterfly needle left inside the baby's chest might have punctured lung tissue and contributed to the ongoing pneumothorax. Mr Myers asked: 'Leaving a butterfly needle in situ is suboptimal practice, isn't it?'
Dr Bohin replied: 'Yes, because it's hazardous'.She rejected Mr Myers' suggestion that the explanation for Baby H's two mystery collapses might have been the cumulative effect of a series of procedures she had been through. 'A baby will desaturate as the result of an event, but it's not cumulative and it certainly doesn't cause a cardiac arrest'.
Sounds like they definitely should have given the lung medication etc sooner, and that not doing so could have worsened the pneumothorax but none of the doctors/medical experts have said that the delay was connected to the two major collapses where Baby H went into cardiac arrest. And it looks like the butterfly needle being left in could also have contributed to the pneumothorax but also would not have led to to the two major collapses.
I think the chest drain being in the "wrong " place is a bit of a red herring as DR Jayaram explained that there was already a drain inserted in the optimal place, and that he inserted a second one lower down as that's where the air seemed to be accumulating.. and that it worked at the time. I can't help wondering if somebody was already trying to sabotage the drains before the two major collapses but as the charges are only in relation to the big collapses that's just me speculating. But we've heard one doctor say they'd never seen a baby block the tubes as much as Baby H and another say they had never had to use three drains on a baby in their whole medical career.
ETA the info re the 2nd drain
Today Dr Sandie Bohin, one of two paediatric experts brought in by the prosecution, was questioned in detail about the drain fitted by Dr Jayaram. Nick Johnson KC, prosecuting, asked whether the tip of the drain might have interfered with the baby's heart or vagal nerve and therefore account for her two subsequent collapses.
Having viewed a series of x-ray images shown to the jury, the paediatrician replied: 'If the tip of a drain is abutting structures in the centre of the chest, that can cause – although I've never seen it – a failing heart rate and desaturation. 'But although it had moved, it hadn't moved after the x-ray on September 26, so I don't think that drain can be the cause of the collapses. By then it had been secured'.
Medics left needle inside baby's chest, Lucy Letby trial hears
The prosecution alleges Lucy Letby, 33, somehow sabotaged the infant's treatment on two separate occasions on successive night shifts in the neonatal unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital.www.dailymail.co.uk
& that someone is certainly not the "tv doctor".Child H is curious, certainly doesn’t make the hospital unit look good Especially with the dramatic recovery at arrowe.
so I am wondering what the alleged method was in the case of child H. presumably if any symptoms fitted with bolus of air in any form we would have heard of it or indeed any implicative symptoms at all? Or explanation or possible suggestions for why the baby collapsed from the medical experts.
could it read “because we can’t explain it we are going to blame someone“?
Sorry was only saying that because if its dr j that sounds cheesy as when its him under fire.Hi at the beginning of what you say who is the pediatrician do u know ? Thanks
Ignore my question its dr bohin"The paediatrician agreed that there had been delays in intubating Baby H and in giving her surfactant, a protein used to help relax an infant's lungs. The latter delay meant that when the baby was ventilated the increased air pressure needed had the effect of worsening her pneumothorax"...
She said the butterfly needle left inside the baby's chest might have punctured lung tissue and contributed to the ongoing pneumothorax. Mr Myers asked: 'Leaving a butterfly needle in situ is suboptimal practice, isn't it?'
Dr Bohin replied: 'Yes, because it's hazardous'.She rejected Mr Myers' suggestion that the explanation for Baby H's two mystery collapses might have been the cumulative effect of a series of procedures she had been through. 'A baby will desaturate as the result of an event, but it's not cumulative and it certainly doesn't cause a cardiac arrest'.
Sounds like they definitely should have given the lung medication etc sooner, and that not doing so could have worsened the pneumothorax but none of the doctors/medical experts have said that the delay was connected to the two major collapses where Baby H went into cardiac arrest. And it looks like the butterfly needle being left in could also have contributed to the pneumothorax but also would not have led to to the two major collapses.
I think the chest drain being in the "wrong " place is a bit of a red herring as DR Jayaram explained that there was already a drain inserted in the optimal place, and that he inserted a second one lower down as that's where the air seemed to be accumulating.. and that it worked at the time. I can't help wondering if somebody was already trying to sabotage the drains before the two major collapses but as the charges are only in relation to the big collapses that's just me speculating. But we've heard one doctor say they'd never seen a baby block the tubes as much as Baby H and another say they had never had to use three drains on a baby in their whole medical career.
ETA the info re the 2nd drain
Today Dr Sandie Bohin, one of two paediatric experts brought in by the prosecution, was questioned in detail about the drain fitted by Dr Jayaram. Nick Johnson KC, prosecuting, asked whether the tip of the drain might have interfered with the baby's heart or vagal nerve and therefore account for her two subsequent collapses.
Having viewed a series of x-ray images shown to the jury, the paediatrician replied: 'If the tip of a drain is abutting structures in the centre of the chest, that can cause – although I've never seen it – a failing heart rate and desaturation. 'But although it had moved, it hadn't moved after the x-ray on September 26, so I don't think that drain can be the cause of the collapses. By then it had been secured'.
Medics left needle inside baby's chest, Lucy Letby trial hears
The prosecution alleges Lucy Letby, 33, somehow sabotaged the infant's treatment on two separate occasions on successive night shifts in the neonatal unit of the Countess of Chester Hospital.www.dailymail.co.uk