GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

[esther43]

Thanks to whoever posted the link on bronze field prison earlier. Was super interesting.

Apologies. All the media reports say her Mother was a clerk. I'm not sure where I got that bit from about her Mother being a GP but wherever I read it, it stayed in my mind when I looked at a photo of her Mother. Maybe I misread something.

I recently read somewhere that one of parents was a GP.. maybe that was it.

 

[JosieJo]

False dichotomy.

I'd respectfully disagree

 

[Nali87]

It’s simple. In the U.K., a judge does not have the power to order a convict to attend their own sentencing.

Yes, they can.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said on Friday: “The lord chancellor has been clear he wants victims to see justice delivered and for all those found guilty to hear society’s condemnation at their sentencing hearing. “Defendants can already be ordered by a judge to attend court with those who fail facing up to two years in prison.”

Calls to force court appearances as Lucy Letby refuses to attend sentencing

Nurse convicted of killing seven babies is third murderer in recent times to avoid hearing

www.theguardian.com

 

[Stella123]

Thanks to whoever posted the link on bronze field prison earlier. Was super interesting.
I recently read somewhere that one of parents was a GP.. maybe that was it.

Yes that might be it. One of the parents of the victim babies was that?

 

[LondonBloke]

Yes, they can.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said on Friday: “The lord chancellor has been clear he wants victims to see justice delivered and for all those found guilty to hear society’s condemnation at their sentencing hearing. “Defendants can already be ordered by a judge to attend court with those who fail facing up to two years in prison.”

Calls to force court appearances as Lucy Letby refuses to attend sentencing

Nurse convicted of killing seven babies is third murderer in recent times to avoid hearing

www.theguardian.com

"has been clear he wants.. "

Just how many times have politicians said this sort of stuff to appeal to the masses..?

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes, they can.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said on Friday: “The lord chancellor has been clear he wants victims to see justice delivered and for all those found guilty to hear society’s condemnation at their sentencing hearing. “Defendants can already be ordered by a judge to attend court with those who fail facing up to two years in prison.”

Calls to force court appearances as Lucy Letby refuses to attend sentencing

Nurse convicted of killing seven babies is third murderer in recent times to avoid hearing

www.theguardian.com

Given the sentence most likely to be handed down, I doubt an additional two years would be much of a motivator in this case.

MOO

 

[WaxLyrical]

Regarding this sentencing business. Why was Letby allowed to not attend court to hear the latter verdicts? She was there for the first set and then refused to attend for the others. Why couldn’t she be compelled to attend those?

 

[Stella123]

Yes, they can.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said on Friday: “The lord chancellor has been clear he wants victims to see justice delivered and for all those found guilty to hear society’s condemnation at their sentencing hearing. “Defendants can already be ordered by a judge to attend court with those who fail facing up to two years in prison.”

Calls to force court appearances as Lucy Letby refuses to attend sentencing

Nurse convicted of killing seven babies is third murderer in recent times to avoid hearing

www.theguardian.com

I read that bit too but it's almost funny! She's probably going to prison for life anyway so what kind of threat is a 2 year sentence for refusing to appear for sentencing! Although the Judge did say he would address her refusal in his Judgement/summing up (which is a hint she might get longer if she doesn't turn up). But then she probably knows she's going to get a whole life sentence anyway.

Re not being able to force them to attend court. Surely they can force them to attend via videolink by just setting up the videolink camera in the room where she is - even if she turns her head away the entire time. If it's the case that a murderer has some kind of personal choice not to be there, then that choice needs to be taken away. They are a murderer - they don't deserve that choice.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes that might be it. One of the parents of the victim babies was that?

yes baby C

 

[LondonBloke]

Regarding this sentencing business. Why was Letby allowed to not attend court to hear the latter verdicts? She was there for the first set and then refused to attend for the others. Why couldn’t she be compelled to attend those?

Defendants neither have to attend during the case nor sentencing if they choose not to. The wheels of justice will still turn, even in their absence.

 

[Phoenix Lazarus]

I wonder if the judge will say to her, even in her absence, "girl, some of your guards and fellow-inmates ain't been born yet!"

 

[WaxLyrical]

Defendants do not have to attend either during the case or sentencing if they choose not to.

Oh, I didn’t realise they could choose not to attend the entire trial.

 

[LondonBloke]

Oh, I didn’t realise they could choose not to attend the entire trial.

Attending the Court and sitting in the box upstairs are quite different things as you know.

 

[Cuko]

Yes, they can.

A Ministry of Justice spokesperson said on Friday: “The lord chancellor has been clear he wants victims to see justice delivered and for all those found guilty to hear society’s condemnation at their sentencing hearing. “Defendants can already be ordered by a judge to attend court with those who fail facing up to two years in prison.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-lucy-letby-refuses-to-attend-sentencing[/UR

That may be so, but I cannot recall a case when a judge in England has exercised his/her power to make such an order. Happy to be proved wrong if you can cite an instance.[/url]

 

[Tortoise]

I read that bit too but it's almost funny! She's probably going to prison for life anyway so what kind of threat is a 2 year sentence for refusing to appear for sentencing! Although the Judge did say he would address her refusal in his Judgement/summing up (which is a hint she might get longer if she doesn't turn up). But then she probably knows she's going to get a whole life sentence anyway.

Re not being able to force them to attend court. Surely they can force them to attend via videolink by just setting up the videolink camera in the room where she is - even if she turns her head away the entire time. If it's the case that a murderer has some kind of personal choice not to be there, then that choice needs to be taken away. They are a murderer - they don't deserve that choice.

I could think of some deterrents -

1. broadcast sentencing into their cell
2. don't tell them what their sentence is, leave them guessing forever in the case of LWOP!
3. automatic refusal of appeals against sentence

 

[Stella123]

Anyway still wondering if there was something about her home life growing up. Reports say it was idyllic, middle class, leafy area. That doesn't allow for emotional abuse growing up. Overly harsh parenting perhaps. Emotional abuse isn't visible. What I find unusual as well is the type of house she lived in. Hardly the kind of place a young single woman would buy - more the type of place her parents would live in - a 70s semi in a family neighbourhood. Although they helped her buy the house, wouldn't a young single woman have chosen something like a city centre flat, more modern, with other young people around and a social life? She was surrounded by retired people or families with children. Not an ideal place to live for a young single woman.

So going back to the phrase of "Not good enough", Maybe she did have this feeling after her upbringing.

Letby lived alone in a semi-detached home in the cathedral city of Chester in north-west England, on a quiet street of neat lawns and privet hedges. Her neighbours were either retired or couples with children. They would rarely see the young, blond woman who had moved into the house in March 2016 – she worked nights at first, then soon moved to day shifts, when she would leave with her Morrisons bag for life before dawn and rarely return until late.

Lucy Letby, the ‘beige’ and ‘average’ nurse who turned into a baby killer

Her childhood seemed idyllic and she cried at reminders of her home life, but she was, the prosecutor said, ‘cruel and relentless’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I admit I haven’t read all the comments but to me her motive seems to come down to her interaction and infatuation with the married registrar. Creating and sharing crisis situations with him.

I do find it odd that so many witnesses in this trial have been able to keep their anonymity. Apparently their advisors have used the Press intrusion reason for this but to me it sets a dangerous precedent.

In the case of the registrar it is clear he broke employer confidentiality by informing LL about some of the investigations that were going on.

If a full investigation and enquiry is carried out not quite sure how he will be able to retain his anonymity.

 

[ColourPurple]

Omg I have just realised something...

Remember when Mr Johnson was reading out a text message from Letby to a colleague which said "Tony Called, he said he is pushing for the meeting to be no later than XYZ" and Mr Johnson said "Was Tony your union rep?"
I reckon that may have been a call Letby got from Tony Chambers the hospitals chief executive which was pushing for a meeting and ultimately her return to work etc

That's exactly who I'd assumed it was when it was first reported back in April. I couldn't work out why people suddenly thought it was the union rep once she was on the stand.

UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #16

More info about what she was told in the phonecall on the 27th: On June 27, 2016, Letby messaged a doctor colleague at 5.41pm: "Eirian [Lloyd Powell, neonatal unit manager] has just phoned telling me not to come in tonight & do days instead. I asked if there was a problem & she said No, just...

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[DianaWW]

I admit I haven’t read all the comments but to me her motive seems to come down to her interaction and infatuation with the married registrar. Creating and sharing crisis situations with him.

I do find it odd that so many witnesses in this trial have been able to keep their anonymity. Apparently their advisors have used the Press intrusion reason for this but to me it sets a dangerous precedent.

In the case of the registrar it is clear he broke employer confidentiality by informing LL about some of the investigations that were going on.

If a full investigation and enquiry is carried out not quite sure how he will be able to retain his anonymity.

She started killing before he even started at the hospital.

 

[ColourPurple]

But could she be on first name terms with CEO?

Wouldn't she write: "Boss"?

She meant Union rep.

Besides,
this CEO Tony Ch. was the person who called Police to investigate.

She referred to him as Tony in a text to a colleague when he made a visit to the ward too

A colleague of Letby messages her on the afternoon of November 27 to say: 'Oh and Tony Chambers n some woman turned up earlier! x'

Letby replies: 'Gosh it's mad. At least things are moving in right direction. Is it bit calmer now? Still only 5 tonight? Hope Tony got stuck in and helped!!'

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Friday, February 10

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

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