Parker Knoll
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They are in the process of yes.
Yes, although the prosecution are not saying that Letby caused poor baby K's death. I think it's clear that extreme prematurity caused her death, but that it could possibly have been averted if she had received 'optimal care'.I don't know anyone else's thoughts on it but I think a parent may find some relief in an acknowledgement that their child had passed through natural causes rather than malevolent action. I know I would. It would go from "I have Been wronged in a most heinous and evil way" to "my poor baby didn't get to a good start and was too much for them".
Lots of Interesting articles on what is that side of this case. Such a noted thing as well with thanks to the good media and good people like cs2c.Do we know if the families of the murdered/attempted murder babies have sued the hospital Trust?
Yes, although the prosecution are not saying that Letby caused poor baby K's death. I think it's clear that extreme prematurity caused her death, but that it could possibly have been averted if she had received 'optimal care'.
But one of the main reasons her care was sub optimal was because letby allegedly kept trying to kill her. The reason why there was a delay in giving her fluids and antibiotics was because of her 3.50am collapse ( I think?). That and her subsequent collapses meant it took longer to stabilise her, delaying her transport to the specialist hospital. If letby hadn't kept on dislodging her breathing tube she may have been transferred sooner. But whether that would have made any difference is impossible to say. Now I think around 80% of 25 week gestation babies survive, but that is probably in a specialist NICU. I'm sure the team did everything they could to save her.
I don't know, I spoke to a neonatologist in America once about efforts to improve the survival of extremely premature babies. He said that chronic lung disease and infection in babies of this gestation is very common if not expected. And that very frequently babies would not die at birth, but instead would die a few days afterwards. Their lungs at this stage are not designed to breath air, and ventilation machines can damage the lung tissue. Those that survive very often suffer from chronic lung disease for the rest of their lives. So I don't think what happened to baby K (as in her gradual decline in health over hours and eventual death) was sadly uncommon or unexpected. But her dislodging her own tube was very unexpected.Sounds right I think there is in the prosecutions angle fair emphasis on this baby actually being stable and in good condition for a baby so premature as well, so may seem to fit that 80% bracket and maybe it shows just how uncharacteristic it is for a baby with these clinical indicators and conditions to go that way? Assuming standard care.
I don't know, I spoke to a neonatologist in America once about efforts to improve the survival of extremely premature babies. He said that chronic lung disease and infection in babies of this gestation is very common if not expected. And that very frequently babies would not die at birth, but instead would die a few days afterwards. Their lungs at this stage are not designed to breath air, and ventilation machines can damage the lung tissue. Those that survive very often suffer from chronic lung disease for the rest of their lives. So I don't think what happened to baby K (as in her gradual decline in health over hours and eventual death) was sadly uncommon or unexpected. But her dislodging her own tube was very unexpected.
I think the defence are trying to maybe confuse the jury into thinking that their job is to solve the mystery as to why K died. It isn't. Ultimately for this case it's kind of irrelevant whether K died because of poor care or not. There could have been poor care AND Letby tried to kill her. Or there could have been good care AND Letby tried to kill her.
I remember so many folks including myself saying something like this on this forum and generally.
"not the sort of person that kills babies" quote from herself.
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Lucy Letby tells court she 'is not the sort of person that kills babies'
The 34-year-old is on trial at Manchester Crown Court accused of the attempted murder of a baby girl, known as Child K. It comes after she was convicted last August of the murders of seven babies.news.sky.com
Really lucy? It's not the sort of thing that stands when weighed against the evidence. I think I know where this trial is going.
Which bit or her quote? LolI find that a slightly odd thing to say.
Oh lucy you Don't come across like someone who kills babies" yeah but who does?
Lots of Interesting articles on what is that side of this case.
Thanks for that, Sweeper.
The reason I asked about whether or not a compensation process was in place for the bereaved parents was in the context of @Marantz4250b post about the hope that this last stance of Letby's would finally put her and the case to bed so we no longer have to hear or think about her ever again. An idea and a hope which I absolutely agreed with.
But then I thought about those random parents out there who, watching the earlier trial, might also have realised they lost babies in hospitals where LL worked and who were suddenly alerted to the grim fact that their babies might also have been historic victims of her. And who maybe were comforted by the fact that the investigation was far from over, that their babies, lost and otherwise, mattered too.
And how they might feel in the event that this trial may be the end of the investigation line. Particulary parents whose child didn't die but who might have a child who suffered long-term damage as a result of Nurse Lucy. And what compensation, should the investigation continue and eventually arrive at their door, might mean to them.
It's such a very difficult and heartbreaking thing.
As above.
This is so far reaching.
I have sadly heard from professionals involved with the civil case and it’s ongoing.
The damage from this one individual will have repercussions for quite a few years going forwards.
Absolutely HORRENDOUS