UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #35

[iamshadow21]

Her cell would get a bit cosy - iirc there is something like 90k documents !
She will have had her trial bundle during trial but I highly doubt they would allow anything that sensitive.
No doubt that will annoy it.

Yeah, I never assumed she had everything. The trial was just too massive.

I just know it's a problem with child sex offenders, there's a trade in evidence documents inside amongst like-minded creeps, which is difficult to stop because the evidence is part of discovery, which the offenders have a right to have copies of.

Since Letby has been going through this trial and the appeal process for the first, I didn't know how much she would have access to.

A photocopy probably wouldn't be as piquant as the original, but it would slip just as nicely under her mattress.

Though a lot has gone digital, these days, so if she does have access, she might only have access to a thumb drive of the case on a computer without internet.

MOO

 

[ColourPurple]

Always having the LAST word.
As narcissistic people do.

JMO

Exactly what I was thinking. Wanting to have the last word and wanting to project the fake “nice Lucy” version of herself right till the end .

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1809178816792691054

 

[Parker Knoll]

Yes I knew you didn’t mean the whole lot !
Trading whilst in prison sounds beyond messed up.

 

[ColourPurple]

I don't think she did. I think she thought she'd get an invitation to interview with the police and would not be arrested or have her house searched. I think she'd have remembered she had a SHREDDER if she ever suspected she might get carted off by the police at dawn, hence the look on her face as she exited her porch. She's a high risk very daring type of gal.

Totally agree. As far she was concerned she’d managed to convince everybody of her innocence up till that point and had even managed to get an apology from the consultants. I think she thought she’d easily do the same if the police interviewed her and was expecting them to give her prior notice if they wanted to speak to her. I doubt that it crossed her mind that she’d be arrested in a dawn raid with no time to dispose of anything potentially incriminating.

 

[ColourPurple]

I guess she was in turmoil, unable to stop her obsession.
Knowing there was something not right with her.

This HELP word is sad.
Would any therapy help her?
What led to this tragedy?
She might have not known herself.
It is all subconscious.

JMO

As far as we know the notes were all written after she was taken off the ward and couldn’t kill babies anymore. so I think the “help ”was in relation to her wanting help to avoid having to face the consequences of her actions, rather than her wanting help to stop killing babies.

 

[Dotta]

As far as we know the notes were all written after she was taken off the ward and couldn’t kill babies anymore. so I think the “help ”was in relation to her wanting help to avoid having to face the consequences of her actions, rather than her wanting help to stop killing babies.

And I think HELP referred to her WHOLE life.

There was a reason for her insanity.
People are not born murderers.

And she knew she was "different" from others.
Her notes show it quite distinctly.

I see turmoil, despair, self hatred and awareness of one's own imperfection.

She didn't hold back.

That is how I see it all.

JMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

How is it that people think she had thought that a police raid was not likely? I couldn't see it going any other way towards the end. You really think she was that bold she just thought she could sweet talk her way out of it?

Doesn't make sense to me that she would make efforts to hide her tracks at work but seemingly not at all at home. I also wouldn't think her efforts to hide at work were so consistent and extensive, a tentative suggestion that they were a delaying action. I would consider a "leave no trace" effort to be more suitable for someone very committed to evading capture.

 

[iamshadow21]

How is it that people think she had thought that a police raid was not likely? I couldn't see it going any other way towards the end. You really think she was that bold she just thought she could sweet talk her way out of it?

Doesn't make sense to me that she would make efforts to hide her tracks at work but seemingly not at all at home. I also wouldn't think her efforts to hide at work were so consistent and extensive, a tentative suggestion that they were a delaying action. I would consider a "leave no trace" effort to be more suitable for someone very committed to evading capture.

I think she overestimated her own cleverness and underestimated the investigators. She thought very highly of herself and her own abilities.

I genuinely think that she didn't think police would be able to grasp the intricacies of neonatal care, and the case would dissolve in a puff of smoke, and she'd get her apology and her transfer to the other hospital with the higher need babies.

She is a risk taker, and she was counting on it coming up trumps for her yet again.

Intelligent people make foolish gambles every single day. The difference being, most of them are investing in business or quitting their job to chase their passion.

Letby was betting that this would all blow over and that she'd get a whole new playground to murder babies in. Fortunately for those babies, she was wrong.

MOO

 

[Sweeper2000]

I do totally get that angle. It's just the scale of that underestimation that I can't place. Any half smart person would know the scale of what was against them in that circumstance, they would also know that those handover sheets are to be gotten rid of preferably never kept and at the end when on office duties and told of police involvement, she's just going to outsmart all of them annd not get raided? That's a quantum leap to me, just not feasible. Unrealistic. I never got that clinical level of arrogance from her, she imo only showed that when the mask slipped.

 

[Parker Knoll]

BUT - and I know it’s not correct to start a sentence with it … she hauled stuff down to her parents when she was granted bail.
What’s that all about ?