UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves

New Posts

tayaway said:
VRG's ex is witness to how she acted during that time.
Click to expand...

VG's boyfriend said that he and VG both knew that she was expected to spend two weeks with Maxwell etc, and two weeks with him (on a rotating basis), they were both aware and afraid of the power that Epstein wielded, VG was to do whatever it was (they knew what it was) to keep herself safe.

That was how their very young minds thought at the time.
 
Last edited:
SouthAussie said:
VG's boyfriend said that he and VG both knew that she was expected to spend two weeks with Maxwell etc, and two weeks with him (on a rotating basis). they were both aware and afraid of the power that Epstein wielded, VG was to do whatever it was (they knew what it was) to keep herself safe.

That was how their very young minds thought at the time.
Click to expand...

Hmm the ex has given quite a few statements over the years. I think Dershowitz wants to depose him if i remember correctly about some of the things he has said.
 
UK Girl said:
Hmm the ex has given quite a few statements over the years. I think Dershowitz wants to depose him if i remember correctly about some of the things he has said.
Click to expand...

I am not really sure what the resistance is, about what happened to VG. She definitely didn't just pull PA's name out of a hat.

A palace insider, who was also on the 60 Minutes program, explained how PA is/was to the staff (bullying and gruff), how Maxwell was seen many times with PA ... even though he said he 'didn't really know her'.

VG explained in detail exactly where PA assaulted her, VG explained how the girls (all of them) were not 'people' in the eyes of the abusers, they were just objects.

The abuse of these young girls is a travesty. imo
 
SouthAussie said:
I am not really sure what the resistance is, about what happened to VG. She definitely didn't just pull PA's name out of a hat.

A palace insider, who was also on the 60 Minutes program, explained how PA is/was to the staff (bullying and gruff), how Maxwell was seen many times with PA ... even though he said he 'didn't really know her'.

VG explained in detail exactly where PA assaulted her, VG explained how the girls (all of them) were not 'people' in the eyes of the abusers, they were just objects.

The abuse of these young girls is a travesty. imo
Click to expand...

I am not sure what you mean about resistance...I personally believe she met him...and I dont think theres any doubt about how Andrew comes across. I do have questions about the ex due to things he has said but I am also not sure whats allowed to be said. I do think some people have questions...which unfortunately they are never going to have the answer to due to the reason not to thrash it out in court.
 
Last edited:
UK Girl said:
Hmm the ex has given quite a few statements over the years. I think Dershowitz wants to depose him if i remember correctly about some of the things he has said.
Click to expand...

There is no denying that VRG and PA are both problematic witnesses. Yes, Alan Dershowitz successfully argued that VRG's former bf, Anthony Figueroa, too, was questionable, but, and this is a gigantic but, AD himself has credibility issues:

The New Yorker 2019:

...Dershowitz presented his own difficulties as a witness. When taped depositions began, in October, 2015, he often refused to answer questions, delivering long soliloquies and furious denunciations. Even his own lawyer tried at times to restrain him...

Alan Dershowitz: “But it would be a terrible thing”—he held up a finger for emphasis—“to criminalize lies.”

[AD]: ...“There’s no federal crime that says that it’s illegal to lie to the media.”

...Dershowitz, a proponent of civil liberties, has made a specialty of defending people who do outrageous things,...Claus von Bülow, O. J. Simpson, Mike Tyson. The lineup included Jeffrey Epstein,...

The JE Florida deal with DA Acosta, spearheaded by AD: Despite sworn accounts from more than a dozen women, Dershowitz and his team secured a deal in which Epstein pleaded guilty to minor charges and served only a brief sentence.

AD's own mother has called him out for lying to the press: (His mother, Claire Dershowitz, disputed this account, telling the Washington Post, “The only time his tooth was knocked out was when he played tennis.”)

VRG as a witness: She was an imperfect witness. She had used drugs throughout the time she was with Epstein, and she acknowledged being hazy on dates.

I believe this segment is what you're referring to when highlighting AF's unreliability as a witness: In January, 2016, two attorneys working with Dershowitz tracked Figueroa down to secure an affidavit that would preëmpt any such testimony. “Virginia only once mentioned Alan Dershowitz,” it read. “I remember she described Mr. Dershowitz as ‘O. J. Simpson’s lawyer.’ She did not say she ever had any physical contact with him.” Figueroa, who has been arrested several times on minor drug charges, signed the document.
 
There is an article here about VG. It is paywalled, but I will give a few of the highlights.


VG met her hubby when Epstein sent her to Thailand to do a massage course. Hubby is an Aussie, and a martial arts expert. Hubby has been a huge support to her in publicly facing what happened to her, and getting accountability from her abusers.

They live in a gated property in a little town in Western Australia. The community is close knit and family oriented.

She is a busy mum, ferrying her children to school and activities. She is upfront with her children - two teenagers and one preteen - about what happened, particularly as they are all at a vulnerable age and should be aware of sex trafficking. Her children's friends know what has happened to her.

She walks the beach with her dog, does yoga, and has regular therapy sessions to ease her sleepless nights and vivid dreams about her abusers. She tries to keep her mind sharp, so she can be clear and focused.

She is suing Dershowitz for defamation, and he is counter suing her.

Inside the quiet life of Virginia Giuffre
 
tayaway said:
There is no denying that VRG and PA are both problematic witnesses. Yes, Alan Dershowitz successfully argued that VRG's former bf, Anthony Figueroa, too, was questionable, but, and this is a gigantic but, AD himself has credibility issues:


I believe this segment is what you're referring to when highlighting AF's unreliability as a witness: In January, 2016, two attorneys working with Dershowitz tracked Figueroa down to secure an affidavit that would preëmpt any such testimony. “Virginia only once mentioned Alan Dershowitz,” it read. “I remember she described Mr. Dershowitz as ‘O. J. Simpson’s lawyer.’ She did not say she ever had any physical contact with him.” Figueroa, who has been arrested several times on minor drug charges, signed the document.
Click to expand...

No it wasnt that as I hadnt even heard about that til I read it the other day.
 
mickey2942 said:
It seems that the Queen pretty much does what she wants. And it is obvious that she wanted PA front and center with her. The optics were very bad, INMO.

It will be interesting how Prince Charles and Prince William can manage the Queen.
Click to expand...

Of course The Queen does as she wishes!

Not much point in being The Queen if you can’t do it your way! lol

I do not think Andrew was front and centre, he lives in Windsor Park, drove in with his Mother and then escorted her up the aisle.

Then, as second son, he sat beside third son, as is normal.

The Queen is always the last to arrive, first to depart. He drove back with her to Windsor.

He is part of the RF, he and Charles do not see eye to eye but he will always be family.

When Charles is King, the monarchy will be slimmed down considerably but not due to Andrew.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

DNASolves

Who is Fairfield County Jane Doe (1993)?

Members online

... and 139 more.
Total: 361 (members: 140, guests: 221)

Online statistics

Members online
140
Guests online
221
Total visitors
361
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
608,475
Messages
18,239,978
Members
234,385
Latest member
johnwich
Back
Top