GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #6

[Hexenb]

It perplexed me also that there was only markings on the one hand..

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......and me been mulling over that the handcuffs sprang to mind just on the one hand

 

[mrazda71]

If there were only bruises on one arm then I would assume it was because she maybe had the other one pinned under her? If one were handcuffed then surely there would be cuff marks?

 

[Hexenb]

Yes she supposedly put up a fight but iirc no finger nails were broken...kind of contradicts itself.

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wonder if they were her real nails or acrylics they are rock hard

 

[Hexenb]

If there were only bruises on one arm then I would assume it was because she maybe had the other one pinned under her? If one were handcuffed then surely there would be cuff marks?

wonder if it was where a cut was made don't want to elaborate anymore

 

[Tortoise]

I posted links up thread that forensic examiner testified about injuries to left hand and left arm. Another I didn't link but read, expert testified to injuries on left elbow as well.

He brought the handcuffs to the home in his "rape kit/bag." Handcuffs were also removed with other evidence & placed into the shed. Good possibility that either one hand was able to be cuffed or struggle ensued (and may have never been able to cuff her) during attempt to handcuff her.

yes, if one hand had no injuries I think it is pretty clear that she was restrained from being able to use it for one reason or another.

 

[epiphany]

This may have been their "practice" run re Kidnapping Plan. Poss thought this would be easier (the first time) than snatching a teen stranger or luring a young teen into their clutches

 

[Cherwell]

This may have been their "practice" run re Kidnapping Plan. Poss thought this would be easier (the first time) than snatching a teen stranger or luring a young teen into their clutches

I think you could be on to something there.

 

[epiphany]

So Nathan was able to attempt to subdue Becky during a very quick struggle, suffocate her, remove duvet cover from bedding, grab her makeup bag & accessories, her coat and w/e other clothing, her other belongings (laptop, cell phone), do a little cleanup of her room, readjust any furniture, shelving (the struggle), etc and bring her lifeless body down the stairs & place her body and everything else into the trunk of his auto ALONE...all that, when?? During the 15-20 min that Shauna was smoking a cigarette, child feeding the rabbits and then washing and washing and washing her hands in the kitchen?

Almost as reasonable ^^ as believing she was asleep through a body in one's own bathroom being dismembered with circular saw and having no knowledge of it, nor heard a sound

 

[Tortoise]

Does anyone know if they phoned before they went round that morning? I seem to remember reading something that said they did because I remember thinking that Becky would have been expecting them.

 

[Tortoise]

So Nathan was able to attempt to subdue Becky during a very quick struggle, suffocate her, remove duvet cover from bedding, grab her makeup bag & accessories, her coat and w/e other clothing, her other belongings (laptop, cell phone), do a little cleanup of her room, readjust any furniture, shelving, etc and bring her down the stairs & place her body and everything else into the trunk of his auto ALONE...all that, when?? During the 15-20 min that Shauna was smoking a cigarette, child feeding the rabbits and then washing and washing and washing her hands in the kitchen?

for a start he would have needed to get the boot (trunk) open because he wouldn't be able to do that while holding Becky. So it must be several trips back and forth.

 

[Tealgrove]

I don't recall ANY DNA evidence being presented as yet. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The only fingerprint spoken of was one which belonged to NM that was on the outside of Becky's door in blood. There has to be more DNA evidence. I would also think that if a handcuff had been applied then the markings of it would have been found on her wrist. None of that has been brought forward.

Am I missing something?

I would think that in the opening statements the Prosecution would lay out their case and say that they had forensic/DNA evidence that linked the two to the crime.

Usually, in the US and Canada, we hear the prosecution outline the whole story, tell you the hard evidence and then once everything gets under way they present it all and build the case piece by piece.

Does anyone know, if the Prosecution has advised that they have DNA evidence because I would be shocked if they didn't.

 

[epiphany]

Shauna's DNA on mask/s... I linked up thread...Ah, pros may have only stated in opening. No one has given testimony re DNA yet...It will come though imo

 

[Clio]

Does anyone know if they phoned before they went round that morning? I seem to remember reading something that said they did because I remember thinking that Becky would have been expecting them.

According to SH, NM phoned AG that morning

Hoare, who was sitting in a chair next to a round table, told the two officers that she and Matthews – Becky's stepbrother – went to the teenager's home in Crown Hill, St George, Bristol on the morning of February 19.

The jury at Bristol Crown Court watched Hoare explain that they were planning on returning a cake tin to Matthews' grandmother Margaret because she was taking his mother Anjie Galsworthy to a hospital appointment.

She explained that Matthews – who admits killing Becky but denies her murder - had first telephoned his mother to see if Becky would be home to let them in or whether she could leave a spare key outside under a bin.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tory-27967420-detail/story.html#ixzz3orz0kyDV

 

[Damond]

I found the last sentence very informative. "Specialist forensic investigations" then she gets charged with murder too 4 months or so later.
I think they have some very damning evidence against this couple still to come. imo.


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I think this could refer to the analysis and data recovery from the phones, in which case we might have heard all that we will do with respect to Matthews and Hoare.

 

[sar2them1984]

wonder if they were her real nails or acrylics they are rock hard

And would have left a nasty mark on others when she fought back...

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[edgedweller]

Something that's puzzling me. I agree it's a stretch to believe SH didnt hear the circular saw (unless she has hearing difficulties or was heavily medicated with sleeping tablets) but how did the neighbours not hear it either? And with them describing SH and NM as very quiet usually, surely they'd notice the sound of a circular saw.

I've been wondering this too! How did the neighbours not hear?! Circular saws are horribly loud and piercing.


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[Alyce]

for a start he would have needed to get the boot (trunk) open because he wouldn't be able to do that while holding Becky. So it must be several trips back and forth.

I think he could have managed that ok - body into bag, carries bag downstairs, puts bag onto driveway for a few seconds while he gets trunk open, bag into trunk.
I agree though that the clothes, make up, etc would need to be brought down in a separate trip.

But I do find the SH was not there storyline completely unbelievable.

 

[Alyce]

I think this could refer to the analysis and data recovery from the phones, in which case we might have heard all that we will do with respect to Matthews and Hoare.

I would think ( hope ) that there has to be more. I don't see how they could increase SHs charge to murder based only on those phone exchanges. Vile as they were, it does not prove she was in the room and/or assisting when Becky was killed.

 

[jessie]

I've been wondering this too! How did the neighbours not hear?! Circular saws are horribly loud and piercing.


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I don't think (guessing here) that it would have taken very long really. 8 short bursts of saw only probably.

 

[jessie]

I would think ( hope ) that there has to be more. I don't see how they could increase SHs charge to murder based only on those phone exchanges. Vile as they were, it does not prove she was in the room and/or assisting when Becky was killed.

I absolutely agree, just about to reply in a similar vein.

What they have found has to be strong evidence of her being involved and phone exchanges wouldn't be enough for her charge of murder.