GUILTY UK - Rolf Harris for molesting underage girls, child *advertiser censored*, 2013

[Ausgirl]

I know we don't have all the facts here, but it does surprise me that when Rolf Harris is accused of having illegal images of children on his computer it's explained away quickly as possibly just kids in bathers, and since he used to be a swimming teacher we call all ignore that evidence, and when a witness comes forth with her story that's quickly debunked and tucked away and seen as not good enough evidence as well.

I just wonder, is there an element of denial going on here because it's a hard reality to face, would people be so ready to dismiss the accusation if he was someone they had no affection for?

Um no --- the 'witness' I've been criticising LIED (as I have clearly demonstrated, using quotes from her own mouth) and was paid -thousands- for her interviews, and hired a publicist-to-the-stars to pimp her story around for the best price.

That's not denial, that's just not taking her word for it, for her word is so clearly dodgy.

That other woman who poked her nose in with stories of how she saw Rolf molesting kids in a toilet is clearly dodgy, too -- see her eyes in her news story? Like a couple of fried eggs with sauce. Her neighbours said in MSM that the cops are around her house all the time.

And Ms. Lee's 'toilet' story appeared -after- this other one mentioned toilets in msm.

So there's two of three 'witnesses' that I am not willing side with.

Whether Rolf's images are pornographic or not (of course I won't support him if they are, but we don't KNOW what they are yet) -- I will never believe these two fruitcakes.

I feel very strongly about people who make false statements about rape and molestation -- the men they accuse are victims. The toll on them is --enormous-- and life changing, damaging beyond belief.

Rolf's 60-year, spotless career is wholly is shreds now, before any trial, before any witness proof other than the word of three woman, two of whom so far are obviously looking for $$$ and publicity. And --four-- images, which COULD be innocent, seeing as the cops went there looking for things to arrest him for and dug up - FOUR - images which MIGHT be actual child *advertiser censored*, OR pics of his grandkids. OR a dodgy dowload click -- I'd expect four images from a bad click, not a habitual pedophile.

WHAT IF hes innocent? What if?????

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes, in a way because a team was put together to investigate such offences in light of the Jimmy Saville case. Operation Yewtree Operation Yewtree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know we don't have all the facts here, but it does surprise me that when Rolf Harris is accused of having illegal images of children on his computer it's explained away quickly as possibly just kids in bathers, and since he used to be a swimming teacher we call all ignore that evidence, and when a witness comes forth with her story that's quickly debunked and tucked away and seen as not good enough evidence as well.

I just wonder, is there an element of denial going on here because it's a hard reality to face, would people be so ready to dismiss the accusation if he was someone they had no affection for?

Reality?

Can't that particular word wait until after the trial? Right now, we don't know what's real and what's a money grubbing fame hunter.

Maybe we do have an element of denial. :dunno: It is kind of like accusing Santa Claus to us Aussies.

Then again, maybe it's Americans who share an element of hyper-suspicion, due to the Sandusky case, Michael Jackson allegations, et al. Maybe it's not us with a skewed world view, but you guys. Maybe our shock and outrage and denial at this (so far baseless) smear campaign is perfectly justified.

We read a lot about pedophiles in these pages, and no one can deny Rolf just doesn't fit the profile. We would expect hundreds of victims speaking up, not three dodgy slappers posing for the cameras.

:cow:

You guys would feel exactly the same if someone was accusing Kennedy or George Burns.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

We shall have to wait until all the evidence is revealed so we can make a solid judgement really, hey?

 

[SapphireSteel]

We shall have to wait until all the evidence is revealed so we can make a solid judgement really, hey?

Precisely.

When and IF it gets to court.

:seeya:

 

[Strangeworld]

Um no --- the 'witness' I've been criticising LIED (as I have clearly demonstrated, using quotes from her own mouth) and was paid -thousands- for her interviews, and hired a publicist-to-the-stars to pimp her story around for the best price.

That's not denial, that's just not taking her word for it, for her word is so clearly dodgy.

That other woman who poked her nose in with stories of how she saw Rolf molesting kids in a toilet is clearly dodgy, too -- see her eyes in her news story? Like a couple of fried eggs with sauce. Her neighbours said in MSM that the cops are around her house all the time.
And Ms. Lee's 'toilet' story appeared -after- this other one mentioned toilets in msm.

So there's two of three 'witnesses' that I am not willing side with.

Whether Rolf's images are pornographic or not (of course I won't support him if they are, but we don't KNOW what they are yet) -- I will never believe these two fruitcakes.

I feel very strongly about people who make false statements about rape and molestation -- the men they accuse are victims. The toll on them is --enormous-- and life changing, damaging beyond belief.

Rolf's 60-year, spotless career is wholly is shreds now, before any trial, before any witness proof other than the word of three woman, two of whom so far are obviously looking for $$$ and publicity. And --four-- images, which COULD be innocent, seeing as the cops went there looking for things to arrest him for and dug up - FOUR - images which MIGHT be actual child *advertiser censored*, OR pics of his grandkids. OR a dodgy dowload click -- I'd expect four images from a bad click, not a habitual pedophile.

WHAT IF hes innocent? What if?????

BBM - and how does this influence whether someone is able to report abuse? We don't know she is lying. Why are you being so harsh towards these witnesses? If you keep saying that we don't have all the evidence, why are there a few on WS that are INSISTENT that these women are lying?

What's going to happen if they are telling the truth? Are you going to take back everything said about these women? I can tell you right now the most high risk women in our society are likely very well known to police. This doesn't remove them from having the right to report a crime if they believe it happened.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I don't consider minor inconsistencies lies in the witnesses story lies actually. How do we know what she was paid? Does this make her story false? There are other witnesses, Rolf Harris has been charged and is heading to court by people who have seen all the evidence. We should not be naive or quickly dismiss these accusations just because he has been successful in his strange artforms.

I am not even shocked at the charges just quietly.

 

[Flinders]

30 AUG 2013 - 7:20AM
Shock over Rolf Harris child sex charges

Family friend and fellow singer Vince Hill said his stomach turned when he heard the news.

"While everyone is innocent until proven guilty I hope he'll be okay because a possible prison sentence would hit him hard," Mr Hill said.

"This just isn't the Rolf I know. But whatever happens to him - and everyone is innocent until proven guilty - I'll always be his friend. He knows that."

Another friend, Australian performer Maria Venuti, said the Harris she knew was talented, gorgeous and charming.

"But I'm in a real bind here," she told Fairfax Radio.

"If he is guilty then you wouldn't want to be standing up for this sort of behaviour."

Harris's neighbours in Berkshire, west of London, where he's lived for 50 years, are continuing to support the Australian.

When you are in your 80s, I hope the sins you committed in your youth don't come back to haunt you," she said.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/08/30/shock-over-rolf-harris-child-sex-charges

I guess Maria didn't have her genitals massaged as a child because she would want the 'masseuse' caught even the person was 100.

Not saying RH is guilty but odd comments from these folks.

 

[Ausgirl]

We should not be naive or quickly dismiss these accusations just because he has been successful in his strange artforms.

I'm sorry, but who's 'we'? I'm doing none of those things.

I do not consider Lee's inconsistencies "minor" at all. Not in themselves, nor in this most serious and damaging context.

Rolf either put his hand down the waistband of her skirt, or he did not.

It'd be great if she could just make up her mind.

 

[Flinders]

I'm sorry, but who's 'we'? I'm doing none of those things.

I do not consider Lee's inconsistencies "minor" at all. Not in themselves, nor in this most serious and damaging context.

Rolf either put his down the waistband of her skirt, or he did not.

It'd be great if she could just make up her mind.

I am in the process of transcribing the ACA interview and will post soon.

As per MSM she was assaulted twice and therefore the allegedly 2 different ways RH allegedly accessed her genitals.

As far as I can see they are both 'not liars' until proven in a court with a jury.

 

[Ausgirl]

Only one of them purports to be a victim, thanks.

And I just know BS when I plainly hear it with my own ears, I guess.

If somebody who'd been accused slipped up like that, they'd be insta-guilty. I refuse to minimise this, just because this woman is accusing somebody of a crime. --Especially-- because she is, I should say.

If -- and I doubt it -- Ms. Lee is telling the truth I will happily eat my words. I have no shame in doing so. But at this moment, everything she's done and some of what she's said says to me: false accusation.

Now, the woman in England has kept her statements to police ears only. For all I know, her claim IS genuine, as she's done nothing to make herself look a liar or a gold digger. And if it is genuine, may the courts prosecute Rolf to the fullest extent of the law.

If those images ARE sexual in nature, ditto.

I am not, repeat not, picking on a victim here. I am pointing out a liar. In my opinion.

 

[Ausgirl]

I am in the process of transcribing the ACA interview and will post soon.

As per MSM she was assaulted twice and therefore the allegedly 2 different ways RH allegedly accessed her genitals.

As far as I can see they are both 'not liars' until proven in a court with a jury.

I already transcribed her statements a few posts back, if you missed it, with the discrepancies in bold.

It's clear she alleges she was assualted twice, and gives accounts of both alleged instances. But around the 3 min mark on the ACA interview, she tells a different story, and repeats that different story to Woman's Day -- NOT a slip up. A different version.

Here ya go: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Aussie legend Rolf Harris has been accused of molesting under-age girls

 

[Flinders]

I already transcribed her statements a few posts back, if you missed it, with the discrepancies in bold.

It's clear she alleges she was assualted twice, and gives accounts of both alleged instances. But around the 3 min mark on the ACA interview, she tells a different story, and repeats that different story to Woman's Day -- NOT a slip up. A different version.

Here ya go: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Aussie legend Rolf Harris has been accused of molesting under-age girls

Sorry I missed your post. Please and thank for transcribing! I found it hard because at times she spoke rapidly.

I do not watch ACA or read Woman's Day for their lack of Hmmm.. Credibility!

ACA actually said this at the beginning of the segment.. And this is on so many levels, the saddest story we have ever reported.

Carp. Report on Tanilla, Keisha or others and then I may believe you. Nope still won't but a girl has got to make a living. The ratings for the show must have gone through the roof as per their viewers loving Rolf.

 

[Cappuccino]

In my eyes, the accuser who has hired a PR agent and started hawking her story to the tabloids has completely destroyed her credibility. I'm also skeptical that any paedophile - especially a rich, elderly one who has had plenty of time and opportunity - would have only four images in his *advertiser censored* collection.

We'll just have to wait and see what the full story is when it comes to court, but at the moment, going on what we've heard so far, I'd be in the not guilty camp. I reserve the right to change my mind if new evidence comes to light though.

 

[Flinders]

I truly believe at some point in TL's life she was molested.

The first part about sitting on someone's lap with her legs straddling on the outside is not indicative of a 14yr old wearing a skirt. That is how a 3/4 year old sits on a lap.

 

[Strangeworld]

Pedophiles can commit a single crime against children in their lives, or a multitude, or anywhere in between. In my eyes, a single case of abuse is as deplorable as multiple cases. At the centre of any case of abuse is a young victim, scared, unsure whether to tell someone, and totally confused by what has happened.

There are pedophiles who have more self control than others, just like some alcoholics have more self control than others (not comparing the two directly, just trying to make a point).

Pedophiles may be attracted to one or all of the following - trophies, photos, videos, their own imagination, or recall. Some will increase their need for these over time, others may decrease their need. As men get older, impotence and reduced sex drive can also lower their desire for stimuli.

I think it is important to remember that pedophiles are not a 'one size fits all'. They come in many shapes and forms, as well as behaviours across the lifespan.

 

[Cappuccino]

Its also important to remember that not every accusation is true.

 

[Strangeworld]

Its also important to remember that not every accusation is true.

Agree, but I'm not in the business of accusing a potential sexual assault victim of lying (particularly someone stating to be abused when they were a minor). The courts will decide this. The damage of been accused of lying can be as bad as the assault itself. They both take away the victim's power. Sounds weird, but I truly hope the charges are false, because if I was one of his victims, I would be devastated to be reading the comments on here, and possibly on other sites. And imagine another child or minor out there who has been abused but is unsure whether to come forward and report their abuser. When they read comments like I've read on here, it may send them back into hiding, terrified the world will call them a liar.

Unfortunately this may mean that public opinion will judge the accused before the court does. To be honest, I have no problem with this. Everyone has the right to an opinion, just as you do. Prominent celebrities risk their lives been splashed across the tabloids - that's just the downside of fame. RH will have a chance to put forward his case when he attends court. Until them, I, just like you have an opinion. And we disagree. That's ok too.

 

[Flinders]

Deleted as not necessary.

 

[Cappuccino]

I think there's a big difference between doubting an accuser's credibility on the superficial grounds that she is accusing someone good looking, apparently clean living and rich, and doubting her story because she's selling it to the press before the case has even reached court.

 

[Flinders]

Not needed and deleted.