UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs sought*

[Alyce]

Could the school have called?

Is there a summer break in the UK like there is in the US and Canada or would kids be in school in August?

It is summer holidays as others have said - but the timing of the call - circa 2.50am - is very odd. That points either to family or a concerned neighbour.

 

[Beth11311]

It is summer holidays as others have said - but the timing of the call - circa 2.50am - is very odd. That points either to family or a concerned neighbour.

I’m going with family. Neighbor IMOO isn’t randomly awake at 2:50 to call in a concern when they can even see inside the house. And whatever happened to Sara would have occurred some time before, so it’s not like they were alerted by a scream etc.

 

[Inthedetails]

I’m going with family. Neighbor IMOO isn’t randomly awake at 2:50 to call in a concern when they can even see inside the house. And whatever happened to Sara would have occurred some time before, so it’s not like they were alerted by a scream etc.

My hunch is someone either in Pakistan or someone in UK who knew the family arrived in Pakistan.

jmo

 

[Skigh]

That photo of Sara with the makeup on, breaks my heart for so many reasons

Sara 's mother appeared to be very proud of that photo and had it in a frame so I am wondering if she applied the make up herself and took the photo when She had Sara visiting one time before she lost access. It does have a similar feel to the make up look used in beauty pageants. Her mother had said Sara wanted to be a model when she was older so maybe had seen pictures of child beauty queens.
I do not get the feeling Sara was made up like that in order to exploit her sexually.

 

[Inthedetails]

Sara 's mother appeared to be very proud of that photo and had it in a frame so I am wondering if she applied the make up herself and took the photo when She had Sara visiting one time before she lost access. It does have a similar feel to the make up look used in beauty pageants. Her mother had said Sara wanted to be a model when she was older so maybe had seen pictures of child beauty queens.
I do not get the feeling Sara was made up like that in order to exploit her sexually.

I agree. I'm not getting a bad vibe from the make-up photo.

jmo

 

[Alyce]

I have been reading from the beginning and have finally colllected several thoughts, forgive me:

In regards to three adults, not two, perhaps there was an uncle that lived with the family? This is not uncommon especially in Asian countries to have aunts, uncles, cousins together with their extended family, MOO, of course. Just because no member of the public has yet identified a third adult does not mean there wasn’t one. Perhaps he recently arrived and was visiting. Perhaps he committed the heinous act.

As we all know different cultures have different social norms. I am not well-versed nor trying to make any accusation but was beating a child for disobedience/otherwise a norm for them? We certainly see it plenty in the US.

The family had, as I understand per links above, “6 small children” when they moved in. I highly doubt, IMO, that a ticket was bought for Sara. I do entertain the idea that the brother could have been considered the third adult but straight gut feeling and nothing else - so take me with a spoonful of salt - tells me it’s not him making up the third adult. In the US, any child over 2 years old must have their own ticket to fly (I have three kids - once they turned 2 they had to have a ticket and it was full price - while link below says “infant” in the link it covers info for children over age 2 also). Infant Air Travel | Delta Air Lines

So exactly what are the MSM sources or travel agent for that matter using to define “5 children’s” tickets? Because the other 5 were under 18? It wouldn’t be the airline’s definition, by my understanding per the US, at least. I’d like to know how “adult” is being defined.

Lastly, why not hide her body, buy an extra ticket for her, disappear? In times of extreme panic - as I do not think this was premeditated - we have no idea how people will react or how clear their thinking will be. That may never have occurred to them and if it did, they would also possibly realize that it wouldn’t take long if someone started poking around to realize that her ticket was never used. Plus, where do you hide a body and become a criminal mastermind in a matter of moments? They may not have been able to dispose of her. Or perhaps someone had just enough of a heart to leave her there, call once safely out of the country, and alert police so at least she could be found and buried.

Sweet girl. Life is so unfair. My heart breaks for the pain you endured and that even in death, you were alone and discarded like trash. You are not. You are loved by an entire community of people here you will never know.

I think space was very limited in that house. Six children sharing 2 bedrooms, one of which is a single bed room
( although admittedly bunk beds could have been put in there ) would leave no room at all for any overnight visitors, unless they were accommodated in the living room area, which would reduce the family space even further.

I agree that a 13 yr old could be classed as an adult for travel purposes, but if so, that means there is one extra child within the head count we have been given of 3 adults and 5 children. For that reason mainly, I am inclined to think that the 13 yr old is included within the child count and there is a third - unknown to us - adult, probably connected to family as the police have stated that this person was known to Sara.

 

[JennieM]

It is summer holidays as others have said - but the timing of the call - circa 2.50am - is very odd. That points either to family or a concerned neighbour.

Their cars were gone soon after the call was made. If they were packing to go to the airport, they were probably making too much noise, they would have been likely panicked and stressed, there were probably raised voices or a fight between them if one or two of the adults disagreed with the plan to leave Sara behind, possibly it’s a neughbour who called. Especially if the neighbour was already concerned in the lead up to this.

 

[Inthedetails]

Their cars were gone soon after the call was made. If they were packing to go to the airport, they were probably making too much noise, they would have been likely panicked and stressed, there were probably raised voices or a fight between them if one or two of the adults disagreed with the plan to leave Sara behind, possibly it’s a neughbour who called. Especially if the neighbour was already concerned in the lead up to this.

But how would a neighbor know they left a child behind? That's specific information, imo. The neighbors didn't even seem to know the family that well, let alone know to count the children as the family leaves.

jmo

 

[Nikynoo]

I have had a look on Skyscanner for flights from the UK to Islamabad (from this article Sara Sharif death: Trio booked flights to Pakistan a day before 10-year-old's body found in Surrey)

There are NO direct flights on a Wednesday (day of flight). Minimum travel time is 11 Hours with a stop in the middle east. The majority of flights are before lunchtime, so if we say 12 hours for flights, the call could have been made when they landed in Pakistan (between 10pm and 1am UK time on Weds pm/Thurs am.

I have my thoughts as to who may have made that call, but don't want to put them at risk (and I may be totally wrong).

There must have been enough detail in that call for the police to break in and find Sara (unless the door were left unlocked).

 

[JennieM]

But how would a neighbor know they left a child behind? That's specific information, imo. The neighbors didn't even seem to know the family that well, let alone know to count the children as the family leaves.

jmo

The call to the police was made 'following a concern for safety'. Has it been reported that the person who called specifically mentioned a child was left alone? I think the police made the discovey once they were there, but didn’t know that was the case beforehand?

 

[kittythehare]

That photo of Sara with the makeup on, breaks my heart for so many reasons

Her mother stated she enjoyed using snapchat filters.
They're beautiful photographs, whether filters or real make up/

 

[Skigh]

I’m going with family. Neighbor IMOO isn’t randomly awake at 2:50 to call in a concern when they can even see inside the house. And whatever happened to Sara would have occurred some time before, so it’s not like they were alerted by a scream etc.

Actually a neighbour said he was up at that time.

Two cars 'disappeared' from house where girl, 10, was found dead

Locals living in Hammond Road in the village of Horsell, near Woking, say the vehicles were at the property hours before the child, named locally as Sara, was found dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Neighbour Amjad Ali, 47, told MailOnline he 'couldn't believe' that 'something like this happened outside my house.'

He added that the family moved in about five months ago and that everyone in the area is 'shocked' by the girl's death.

Mr Ali said: 'The first I knew of anything was around 3.30 this morning.

'My son looked out the window as I had taken my wife on holiday and were still up and he said the road was full of police.

 

[Inthedetails]

The call to the police was made 'following a concern for safety'. Has it been reported that the person who called specifically mentioned a child was left alone? I think the police made the discovey once they were there, but didn’t know that was the case beforehand?

Good point. I have been assuming the call was specifically about Sara when we don't know that to be true.

jmo

 

[JennieM]

Sara Sharif: NCA supports Surrey Police murder investigation​

The National Crime Agency (NCA) has revealed it is working with Surrey Police in their investigation into the murder of 10-year-old Sara Sharif.

[…]

The NCA said specialist officers were working on the case.
A statement from the agency said: "The NCA is supporting Surrey Police with their investigations into the murder of of a 10 year old girl.

"This involves specialist officers from our Joint International Crime Centre and across our international network providing operational support, advice and guidance as required."

[…]

Sara Sharif: More tests needed to establish cause of death

A post-mortem concludes that the cause of the 10-year-old's death is "still to be established".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sjöberg]

I really hope LE gets to the bottom of this, even if an arrest proves to be impossible.

I also hope that the siblings have some support in Pakistan. Had they visited before? What languages are they fluent in?
I just hope that after (probably) witnessing the death of their sibling the kids are not in a foreign country for the first time ever without fluently speaking the language nor having any friends or relatives that they know well (and therefore spending time with only the 3 adults that are POI-s in this case) while on the run from LE...

 

[Dotta]

I have my thoughts as to who may have made that call, but don't want to put them at risk (and I may be totally wrong).

There must have been enough detail in that call for the police to break in and find Sara (unless the door were left unlocked).

I also have my thoughts about the caller.

I hope it was really this person Im thinking about.

I wonder if we are thinking about the same person

 

[Alyce]

Their cars were gone soon after the call was made. If they were packing to go to the airport, they were probably making too much noise, they would have been likely panicked and stressed, there were probably raised voices or a fight between them if one or two of the adults disagreed with the plan to leave Sara behind, possibly it’s a neughbour who called. Especially if the neighbour was already concerned in the lead up to this.

Do we know what time the cars departed ? I read a neighbour quote ( which I now cant find again ! ) saying that the cars were there when he/she went to bed but not there when he/she looked out of window and saw the emergency services at the house about 3am

I can only see this quote which is not specific re timings




Locals living in Hammond Road in the village of Horsell, near Woking, say the vehicles were at the property hours before the child, named locally as Sara, was found dead in the early hours of Thursday morning.

But locals say both cars were gone by the time emergency services swarmed the residential road at 2.50am amid reports of concern for a child's welfare, the Mirror reports.

Two cars 'disappeared' from house where girl, 10, was found dead

Locals living in Hammond Road in the village of Horsell, near Woking, say the vehicles were at the property hours before the child, named locally as Sara, was found dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Nikynoo]

Do we know what time the cars departed ? I read a neighbour quote ( which I now cant find again ! ) saying that the cars were there when he/she went to bed but not there when he/she looked out of window and saw the emergency services at the house about 3am

I can only see this quote which is not specific re timings




Locals living in Hammond Road in the village of Horsell, near Woking, say the vehicles were at the property hours before the child, named locally as Sara, was found dead in the early hours of Thursday morning.

But locals say both cars were gone by the time emergency services swarmed the residential road at 2.50am amid reports of concern for a child's welfare, the Mirror reports.

Two cars 'disappeared' from house where girl, 10, was found dead

Locals living in Hammond Road in the village of Horsell, near Woking, say the vehicles were at the property hours before the child, named locally as Sara, was found dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I suspect that the neighbour may be misremembering, perhaps mixing up the days.

We need to factor in the flight date (which reportedly was wednesday).

 

[Skigh]

I suspect that the neighbour may be misremembering, perhaps mixing up the days.

We need to factor in the flight date (which reportedly was wednesday).

The cars could have been sold and the keys documents given to the buyer before they left or left in the car and the buyer told to pick them up after a certain time.
Or the buyer worked shifts and went to pick them up after work.

I imagine the taxi he drove was in good condition and could fetch a reasonable amount. The family would need all the money they could raise. Maybe selling the cars paid for the flight tickets.

 

[Skigh]

I have had a look on Skyscanner for flights from the UK to Islamabad (from this article Sara Sharif death: Trio booked flights to Pakistan a day before 10-year-old's body found in Surrey)

There are NO direct flights on a Wednesday (day of flight). Minimum travel time is 11 Hours with a stop in the middle east. The majority of flights are before lunchtime, so if we say 12 hours for flights, the call could have been made when they landed in Pakistan (between 10pm and 1am UK time on Weds pm/Thurs am.

I have my thoughts as to who may have made that call, but don't want to put them at risk (and I may be totally wrong).

There must have been enough detail in that call for the police to break in and find Sara (unless the door were left unlocked).

I too have had various thoughts about the caller. I have wondered if her brother had been told Sara was not flying with them as she was unwell and he contacted the police officers n secret.

Maybe one of the children said something to a relative in Pakistan.