GUILTY UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London, Clapham Common area, 3 Mar 2021 *Life sentence* #16

[LadyL]

I can’t bear to watch it.

I just want to reach through the screen and rescue her.

 

[Seattle1]

Costa Coffee - Wikipedia

 

[JayWill]

I hope that they change their MO and instruct male police that they may not stop and arrest lone women when they are alone. Telling women that they do not have to get in a male policeman's car would not help, they would just use force.

 

[Skigh]

He bought the plot of woodland in 2019. By October 2020 he had the debt management plans so from that point onwards the monthly budget would be severely constrained as per my earlier post - no more credit would be granted and would now have to live within his means and pay back the debt payment plan. With Christmas shortly afterwards (expensive for families) I reckon Jan/Feb were depressingly tight moneywise.

Interestingly purchased the hire care the day after Feb payday.

Debt management plans are worked out on affordability based on income and outgoings, it would be unlikely he could have declared "£300 a month for sex" on his outgoings and therefore would have found it more difficult to find money to use them, although apparently he did in Feb 2021.

Paying for sex can easily become an expensive habit like gambling or drugs.

Although sex can be found cheap, maybe £20 for street workers, escorts that he used can be around £100-150 per hour in the UK.

I wonder if lockdown meant he spent more money on sex workers.

Perhaps when there were many women around he had the opportunity to use street sex workers or expose himself to women.

 

[Coach]

Would hiring a car something that he did regularly I wonder? Driving a considerable distance, looking for sex workers?

 

[kittythehare]

I wonder if lockdown meant he spent more money on sex workers.

Perhaps when there were many women around he had the opportunity to use street sex workers or expose himself to women.

I see using sex workers, depending on what his particular preferences were as a separate thing to the indecent exposures and the rape and murder.
Rape is always a crime of violence. It may bring sexual gratification but it's usually brutal, not something he could pay for on a regular basis because the street women would put the word out.
I very much doubt he would pay for escorts or be drawn to them.
I'd be surprised if the women he was known to frequent were not interviewed.

 

[Seattle1]

Would hiring a car something that he did regularly I wonder? Driving a considerable distance, looking for sex workers?

This element was not touched on at today's hearing although I always thought it plausible for him to engage in exposing himself at drive-throughs while driving hired vehicles. Identification of the driver would not be immediate. MOO

 

[kittythehare]

How can women trust the police after what happened to Sarah Everard?

This is an opinion piece and the Standard is not a salubrious publication, btw

 

[Lindsay Lou Who]

The details from today have been absolutely harrowing to read. My heart is broken for Sarah's family and friends, they have endured such unimaginable pain and loss.
I have to admit I cuddled my own daughter longer and tighter tonight when I put her to bed. I hope the world is a safer, kinder place for her as she grows up.

WC has got to be sentenced to a full life tariff.

 

[MollyHarps]

Hi all I’ve not been on for a while as a few of you know this case deeply effected me as a person who walked many journeys the same as Sarah.

today couldn’t have been any worse - firstly she was arrested - secondly, my biggest hope when she was known to be deceased was that it was over fast - i dread to think the terror she went through on that journey.


To the lady who saw this unfold if you’re ever reading this please don’t blame yourself - you helped convict this horrible person to life fingers crossed.

 

[Stella123]

He strangled her with such force he broke her neck.. I feel physically sick

I didn't see that reported. Where did they say that? Horrific

 

[londoncat]

I found the family statements moving but also surprising that they spoke to him directly. I don’t think I would even want to look at him at all and have the memory of his face. Maybe they had advice about achieving closure by doing this or something. It was brave but surprising. And my concern is he would not be moved by it and it gives him more attention if he really is a sicko. So I think it must be that they wanted to do this for their own stage of grief.

I thought exactly the same, it may be important to speak to him as it is probably their only opportunity and you wouldn’t want to regret not taking that chance although it must have been incredibly painful. Of course it is impossible to put ourselves in their position I don't believe I would want to acknowledge his existence.

It's extremely powerful
I thought, there's no way my dad would have been strong enough to do that. But I get the feeling that's the point. They are so devastated at what happened to Sarah and that she was alone, they wanted to tell him directly, for her.

I know the only thing they want in the world is to bring Sarah back. They don’t deserve this. Hopefully they can draw strength from each other - they seem to be a very close, strong and loving family. I have cried today because their statements were so moving, so human, in such sharp contrast to this monster.

 

[Seattle1]

I didn't see that reported. Where did they say that? Horrific

In July, Couzens pleaded guilty to Ms Everard's murder, kidnap and rape via video link from jail.

Couzens told a psychiatrist he strangled Ms Everard with his police belt, which tallied with the conclusions of a post-mortem examination which found she died from compression of the neck.

Sarah Everard: Images show victim with her killer Wayne Couzens moments before he abducted her, court hears

 

[Stella123]

Set against the context of police cuts and covid it's totally believable and most people probably would never question it especially as the adrenaline of the situation kicks in.

As he'd recently been on Covid patrol duty as well, since Jan wasn't it? He probably got the idea then - stop a lone woman pretending he was on covid duty. After reading the other stuff a while back about him deliberately watching a woman's house after an incident.

 

[JayWill]

How can women trust the police after what happened to Sarah Everard?

This is an opinion piece and the Standard is not a salubrious publication, btw

A good article, but it has all been said before and nothing changes. Rapists get off with a smack on the wrist. Domestic abusers are put on useless bonds and no jail time.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I'd guarantee there is more sexual violence in his past

SNB. I think so too. JMO. MOO.

 

[kittythehare]

This is the photograph Sarah's family chose to best represent her.
She truly was a shining light!
https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1443292904227844099?s=20

 

[Stella123]

It's only my opinion, but I just can't see him wanting to be caught, or the sloppiness being some kind of bizarre cry for help. To me he seems like someone who is obsessed with control, which also is the reason for his self-harm attempts (having no other control over his circumstances in prison whatsoever). I think he took many hours to complete his crime because he was enjoying the control aspect of it. (It's horrible to comprehend.) I don't imagine he looks favourably at any aspect of losing control in being caught, and IMO he may have thought he would get away with it due to immense arrogance and over-inflated self confidence. It's kind of like how psychopaths believe they can talk themselves out of anything. IMO.

Agree. And he saw women as objects of fantasy. Probably too much hard *advertiser censored*. It can make people immune to things if they see enough hardcore stuff (apparently). JMO

 

[Stella123]

But he was going to be investigated for the flashing incident a week before-quite possibly he was facing dismissal for gross misconduct as there was CCTV evidence against him.

I'm not sure he knew they even knew about that - it wasn't linked to be him until after SE's kidnap and the reports hadn't been processed. JMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Taking his wife and children to the scene of the body is beyond sick in the head. How can you as a child or a child who becomes an adult ever trust a man again after knowing your father did that to you? He must have such little regard for humans and humans lives. No empathy with anyone. JMO MOO.