Parker Knoll
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I'm aiming to keep a particularly open mind while following this one
Yes - I agree.
I'm aiming to keep a particularly open mind while following this one
My colleague was also charged with murder. Even though the police and CPS were aware of the circumstances.My point was
that the parents were charged with MURDER, meaning intentionally killing.
The poster I quoted wrote
it might have been an argument in the kitchen.
So
I answered that in such case it would be:
- an accidental tragedy
- manslaughter
If they are charged with murder
there seemed to be no accident/argument.
But
Intentional murder.
And 1 precise stab.
I hope I'm understood now.
JMO
I'm inclined to think an argument in the kitchen gone wrong, but that wouldn't warrant a murder charge. And one stab wound implies one stabber, yet two people are charged with murder.My colleague was also charged with murder. Even though the police and CPS were aware of the circumstances.
After an argument in the kitchen went horribly wrong.
The victim died from a single stab wound.
I'm just saying that we don't know how what has happened, happened and that IMO we should not be drawing inferences of intent or guilt from the fact that there was a single stab wound, or assuming that there was no argument because the charge is murder.
We really don't know what has happened here yet. Yes there's only one stab wound - but what if both parents are claiming to be guilty? One because they stabbed her in the heat of an argument and want to take full punishment for it, whatever the circumstances, and the other one to misguidedly protect the other.I'm inclined to think an argument in the kitchen gone wrong, but that wouldn't warrant a murder charge. And one stab wound implies one stabber, yet two people are charged with murder.
Was there time for the victim to tell LE what happened and that is what lead to the charges?
RIP to Scarlett. Always heartbreaking to lose a young person.
jmo
We really don't know what has happened here yet. Yes there's only one stab wound - but what if both parents are claiming to be guilty? One because they stabbed her in the heat of an argument and want to take full punishment for it, whatever the circumstances, and the other one to misguidedly protect the other.
People do sometimes do and say inexplicable things and until more facts come out we are just casting about wildly for an explanation.
I'm keeping an open mind for now - perhaps the bail hearings will shed a little more light on things.
jmo
If there were a mental health issue involved it would usually be charged as Manslaughter as per CPS charging.It might also have been some mental health issue on the part of the stabber.
JMO
A single stab wound can easily be fatal and doesn't need to be precise at all.
The location of the stab wound on Scarlett has been quoted as "a single stab wound to the chest" - the chest is a large area and houses a lot of vital organs and different veins etc - therefore a more dangerous place for a knife to enter.
Again though, the aim for this doesn't need to be precise.
Not necessarily, bone only covers some areas within the chest cavity. You can get a blade between the ribs, under the ribcage (if you go from below up) and then also the sternum isn't as solid as you think, it's composed of highly vascular tissue which is covered with a thin layer of compact bone.I imagine a stab to a chest area must be very forceful in order to kill.
In opposition to stomach area or a neck which are not protected by bones.
And a knife cannot be a simple kitchen knife a person uses during a meal.
But, if a stabber was in rage, anything is possible.
JMO
I thought the mum's reaction in the court the other day did too, where she was said to be distraught. Obviously that could have been taken either way though.Those decisions by the court say a lot IMO
"Summarising the circumstances surrounding her death, coroner’s officer Tim Gilks said: "A call was received from the ambulance service reporting CPR ongoing at that address. Upon attendance a 14-year-old female was laid on the kitchen floor unconscious and not breathing, with a deep stab wound to the left side of her breast area."![]()
Teen underwent chest surgery on kitchen floor after suffering stab wound
Scarlett Vickers' inquest heard emergency services fought for over an hour to save the teen's life at her home on Geneva Road, Darlingtonwww.gazettelive.co.uk
For whomever to have stabbed deep into the left side, I would say they've targeted the area imo.
The heart sits closer to the left side.
Bringing back this image I shared previously, I imagine it was somewhere around here she was stabbed.
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Now we know where she was stabbed, yes we can agree it was a precise stabbing.Exactly.
"Precise" and meant to kill.
JMO
As it always has been.