GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #2

[MobyBluff]

He went into too much detail though, because he mentioned speaking to people and being "let in". And I think in those circumstances you would ask lots of people if they'd seen a young girl on her own (she was quite small for her age).

Why would they be asking for sightings of a small girl "on her own"...? That would be silly of them to assume she was on her own....AH....YES....SHE WAS....it was a freudian slip (if that's the question they asked)

 

[user484]

Sorry I was trying to say that she has been "refrigerated" since Friday.....she should be cool now. Doesn't the cold atmosphere stall these chemical reactions which is why the body doesn't decompose as rapidly? Or does a body need to be chilled for more than 2 days before these chemical reactions slow down? A question, not sarcasm.

They slow down immediately.

 

[Clio]

Where was Christine when SH gave the interview and implicated her in going to the fun fair to look for Tia?

Perhaps she didn't have a clue that he'd said she was with him until she saw/heard the interview. Then why didn't she contact LE and tell the truth? That bothers me because I don't think she knew SH had killed Tia.

And, when she did confront him about the lie, he in turn lied to her.

According to the interviewer, he had a good chat alone with TS's mum and grandmother before doing the interview so I guess both NS and CS were in the house along with SH and DS.

 

[user484]

BBC now reporting the 'smothering' theory

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19240104

ETA Which to me ties in with the theory that this was not pre meditated and that hiding the body in the loft was done out of sheer panic.

Agreed. I think it adds to the theory that the death certainly wasn't planned.

 

[sar2them]

Just throwin it out there but with regards to the nan being released on bail. Could it be because the police believe shes involved but have no proof. I mean any forensic evidence on the body implicating the nan such as a hair etc could easily be explained away after all she was in her nans house; the same could be said for any forensics implicating SH but i think the clincher which got him charged was the fact he was "supposedly" the last one to see her alive?

Anyone have any comments on that theory?

 

[Cherwell]

Why would they be asking for sightings of a small girl "on her own"...? That would be silly of them to assume she was on her own....AH....YES....SHE WAS....it was a freudian slip (if that's the question they asked)

Not really, because she allegedly went out on her own. If I was (genuinely) in those circumstances, I might say that she might be on her own, as that might make her more noticeable. But not exclude the possibility that she had hooked up with some other kids.

 

[Fluttershy]

Nice thinking. But I'm thinking they are already total specialists. i.e. Body dead. How did it die? Ok, it's not a bullet wound, over to you...?

This isn't sarcasm, I don't have the first clue how or whether they specialise, indeed you've got me thinking.....which is why I'm here.

RIP Tia

I get the awful feeling they're waiting for someone who's an expert <modsnip>, but I really hope I'm wrong.

 

[soozieqtips]

As for one of them staying at home incase she came back, well do we know who was at the house when she didn't reappear on Friday? Anyone else could have been there waiting for.
Why would one of them have a need to stay?

There doesn't appear to have been anyone else at home apart from Hazell and Gran, and Tia didn't have a key.

Was it 7pm or nearer 8pm that they went to Tia's mothers house? Why drive there, why not phone and let her know and then wait in the house.

I've thought about this too. Maybe they didn't want there to be a record of any phone conversation between them and Tia's mum just in case the police caught up with them and took their phones to check any calls. Much better to go and talk in person knowing that no one would be able to check what was said.

This is one of the reasons I sometimes think they went to Tia's mum to tell her there'd been a terrible accident, that Tia had died as a result, and that no one must say anything about it or Hazell and Gran would be in deep trouble. If Tia's mum was influenced by her own mum, she might have agreed to keep quiet and not 'betray' her. It might also explain why the mum kept totally quiet and got her partner to speak for the pair of them. Just guessing of course.

 

[Paulette]

I don't have a firm opinion about his abilities, apart from thinking that if, as reported, he lied about searching the fun-fair, then he has a natural flair for inventiveness and can be very persuasive as revealed by the tv interview. The number of people online who are persuaded those big blue eyes are proof of his innocence is legion. People are concocting very elaborate and ridiculous theories in defence of his innocence

The media reported a few days ago that a woman who claimed to have known him well described him as 'not having a nasty bone in his body' and said he was very much the charmer and popular with women. I'd go so far as to suggest he's equally adept at charming men, also. On the strength of this and on his performance in the tv interview, I'm not amongst those who underestimate him, his intelligence, his abilities or anything else

Perhaps he thought Tia was enamored with him. He tried to charm her and came up short - she threatened to tell, he became incensed and strangled her to death. At his age he was a total failure and had no where else to go - life on the streets or being arrested loomed large.

 

[laniefi]

Egad.

I second that EGAD! Motive for murder IF true, ABSOLUTELY.

 

[Crazy Mama]

BIB I did see this.

His sister, Sarah Parrat, said she did not believe her brother was involved and suspected "he is probably in a pub somewhere trying to get his head around it".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19214964

Admittedly, not the most flattering comment in the world though.

I have her as Sarah Yvonne married a Marc Barratt
Not sure where the Parrat comes in......hmmm will dig further.

 

[MobyBluff]

There doesn't appear to have been anyone else at home apart from Hazell and Gran, and Tia didn't have a key.


I've thought about this too. Maybe they didn't want there to be a record of any phone conversation between them and Tia's mum just in case the police caught up with them and took their phones to check any calls. Much better to go and talk in person knowing that no one would be able to check what was said.

This is one of the reasons I sometimes think they went to Tia's mum to tell her there'd been a terrible accident, that Tia had died as a result, and that no one must say anything about it or Hazell and Gran would be in deep trouble. If Tia's mum was influenced by her own mum, she might have agreed to keep quiet and not 'betray' her. It might also explain why the mum kept totally quiet and got her partner to speak for the pair of them. Just guessing of course.

Honestly, about 5 hours ago I'd have considered this as being a real idea, but the fact that "smothering" is now being thrown about.......

 

[laurauk1]

There doesn't appear to have been anyone else at home apart from Hazell and Gran, and Tia didn't have a key.


I've thought about this too. Maybe they didn't want there to be a record of any phone conversation between them and Tia's mum just in case the police caught up with them and took their phones to check any calls. Much better to go and talk in person knowing that no one would be able to check what was said.

This is one of the reasons I sometimes think they went to Tia's mum to tell her there'd been a terrible accident, that Tia had died as a result, and that no one must say anything about it or Hazell and Gran would be in deep trouble. If Tia's mum was influenced by her own mum, she might have agreed to keep quiet and not 'betray' her. It might also explain why the mum kept totally quiet and got her partner to speak for the pair of them. Just guessing of course.

I wasn't sure if we knew that there wasn't anyone else home or not. Thank you. The uncle seemed very involved at first so I had wondered if he might have been there.

 

[Jackalyn]

I've said from the beginning that whilst I think he's involved in the aftermath I honestly don't think he's the one to do it imo.

Also if their lloft hatch is anything like mine (and I guess they are a standard size) then I'm certain it would have taken more than one person to put the body up there. I can't see how one person could climb a ladder with the body and man handle it through the hatch.

That is a very good point - it is hard enought to get a box into that kind of loft let alone anything else. Possible though????

 

[Skigh]

Just throwin it out there but with regards to the nan being released on bail. Could it be because the police believe shes involved but have no proof. I mean any forensic evidence on the body implicating the nan such as a hair etc could easily be explained away after all she was in her nans house; the same could be said for any forensics implicating SH but i think the clincher which got him charged was the fact he was "supposedly" the last one to see her alive?

Anyone have any comments on that theory?

I think you are right,they cannot keep Granny without actual evidence to charge her-I do think the police strongly suspect she is involved in someway.
They will have her closely watched-she could be in a police safe house with police officers staying with her.

 

[laserdisc10]

Perhaps he thought Tia was enamored with him. He tried to charm her and came up short - she threatened to tell, he became incensed and strangled her to death. At his age he was a total failure and had no where else to go - life on the streets or being arrested loomed large.

So much we don't know. The media quoted CS as saying she just wanted Tia back, didn't know where she was or what had happened, just wanted her back as the child was her life. Yet the same woman didn't contradict SH when he claimed they'd searched the fair, for example. Same woman is reported as only divulging late in the day that she hadn't been at the house for approx. 23 hours. Same woman who set of my radar in every photo I saw of her although I tried very hard to rationalise it. And is it the person who refused the biological father entry to the house when he'd rushed to help find his daughter? So, a lot more to emerge, I suspect

 

[sar2them]

That is a very good point - it is hard enought to get a box into that kind of loft let alone anything else. Possible though????

I agree, certainly possible however froom my own experience i know its hard enough to get the xmas tree back up there on ones own and that is considerably lighter than a body which would be "dead weight" (certainly no pun intended). I guess anythings possible though

 

[Paulette]

BBC now reporting the 'smothering' theory

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19240104

ETA Which to me ties in with the theory that this was not pre meditated and that hiding the body in the loft was done out of sheer panic.

The same article reports: BBC Home Affairs Correspondent Danny Shaw said: "It is understood there was bruising to her body."

From what I've heard via the media, bruising only happens when someone is alive. Blood pools where there is pressure, as in the victim was lying on it's right side, but that's not the same as bruising.

So we can assume she was beaten and the smothering occurred to keep her quiet.

 

[MobyBluff]

Understood. So I'm going even further. I'm going to say that poor girl was 6 months pregnant with the next door neighbours child.......just a thought and absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Sleuth or just plain ridiculous? 8 weeks pregnant? Did you miss my point? There's a difference between an embryo and a foetus! get with it fella.

 

[soozieqtips]

Honestly, about 5 hours ago I'd have considered this as being a real idea, but the fact that "smothering" is now being thrown about.......

I really don't think they'd have told Tia's mum the truth about how she died. I think they'd have made out it was a tragic accident, and said that because Hazell had 'form' - they couldn't risk coming clean about it since he'd go back to jail, accident or not. And if Gran was manipulative, and other 'secrets' have been kept in the family, well, I can see how Tia's mum might have felt extremely pressured to say nothing, especially if she'd been brainwashed throughout her life by Gran into thinking loyalty and keeping secrets were more important than the truth.

I wasn't sure if we knew that there wasn't anyone else home or not. Thank you. The uncle seemed very involved at first so I had wondered if he might have been there.

Still not too sure how I feel about the uncle, to be honest. He certainly seems to have been chummy with Hazell.