GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #2

[Skigh]

Sky News reporter says on TV that it's "UNUSUAL" to stop a post mortem. So back to my earlier question......what is there to be gained form pausing it. You just get more decomposition surely? Is it possible that it has been completed, but the results are not being made public. If so, why?

It could be that they wanted to call in a pathologist with a particular specialism.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Or a 4th possibility that Granny was at home some time on Thursday afternoon /evening or possibly returned early Friday morning.

I would have thought it would be quite straightforward for the police to check Granny's movements and work hours.

If Tia was alive on Friday evening then I thought there would be sightings of her during the day and signs her phone had been used unless she was restained in some way.

The police obtained 800 hours of CCTV. I'm positive they know what movements she made.

Then it is a simple case of comparing what she said in statements, what the CCTV cameras show and what her employers tell them.

 

[Cherwell]

Sky News reporter says on TV that it's "UNUSUAL" to stop a post mortem. So back to my earlier question......what is there to be gained form pausing it. You just get more decomposition surely? Is it possible that it has been completed, but the results are not being made public. If so, why?

The remains will be refrigerated, so there will be no rapid decomposition.

Again there is too much reliance being placed on media reports. There is no reason why the media and/or the public should expect a minute-by-minute account.

 

[Crazy Mama]

2 Pages back someone suggested that SH may not have had a good relationship with his father and this is why he was homeless. Through my research SH has a younger sister and brother (I can name them if allowed on here). He also has a lot of extended family members in the area. During this crisis I have not heard of one person who has stated to be a relative of his, unlike those proclaiming that CS is their Aunty, Sister, Cousin etc and kind and loving etc etc.
I doubt that SH could be a police informant, he has a rap sheet too long to be trusted. Plus he is clearly stupid beyond belief, as he has either left a long trail already or is covering for someone else.
If CS is a carer, perhaps she was looking after someone who was a sleep and so she snuck home for a while. Maybe things turned when she arrived to find mayhem.
I am curious to know more about DS, he seems to be very quiet now. We didnt even get a clip of him laying flowers yet.

 

[laserdisc10]

OK, so what you are saying is that as he is an important informant elsewhere that the Police consider him so important that they will try and keep him at liberty despite the "fact" that he has murdered a 12 year old girl? Are you saying that he is so important to the Police that he can just go ahead and murder children?

I am saying that whilst he may be an informant he would not have been getting any special treatment by the police in a murder investigation in which he was a suspect.

Are you suggesting he was?

You can say whatever you please. It's a sleuthing community which encourages opinions

My comment said I suspect he may be a police informant. That's my 'suspicion' of the moment amongst many others

It cannot be denied that he remained at liberty for a week with a child's body not far above his head as he slept, ate, etc. Police have admitted they did not handle the investigation well at all and have admitted to basic errors of judgement and procedure - all of which have been loudly criticised by ex senior Scotland Yard officers publicly, as you may be aware

It would be naive in the extreme to suggest that *IF* someone was known to be a valued informant, they would not be handled more 'gently' we might say, than someone who was not a police informant. And it does appear that police, deliberately or otherwise, have not been as aggressive in their handling of this case as we might have expected

 

[MobyBluff]

It could be that they wanted to call in a pathologist with a particular specialism.

Nice thinking. But I'm thinking they are already total specialists. i.e. Body dead. How did it die? Ok, it's not a bullet wound, over to you...?

This isn't sarcasm, I don't have the first clue how or whether they specialise, indeed you've got me thinking.....which is why I'm here.

RIP Tia

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The remains will be refrigerated, so there will be no rapid decomposition.

Again there is too much reliance being placed on media reports. There is no reason why the media and/or the public should expect a minute-by-minute account.

This is true. I don't want to be stifle debate here , but I would like some guidance from WS admin what posters from the UK are allowed to talk about.

I know about the sub judice law, but don't really understand it enough to know what can and can't be discussed.

 

[soozieqtips]

It could be that they wanted to call in a pathologist with a particular specialism.

Maybe Nat Carey. He was the pathologist on the Jessica and Holly case. And as the police look like coming in for further criticism over the delay in discovering the body, perhaps they want to make sure they do things right now, and if that means getting a second pathologist in for another opinion so they can get the most accurate report possible, then that would look positive for them, I think.

 

[MobyBluff]

The remains will be refrigerated, so there will be no rapid decomposition.

Again there is too much reliance being placed on media reports. There is no reason why the media and/or the public should expect a minute-by-minute account.

Agree with that, but the fact remains they have not restarted the post mortem. Why? Yes refrigeration will slow decomposition, but that doesn't explain why they would pause it. Come on. Ideas. So far the "specialist" being called in is the most valuable idea.

Is it possible they have had to send something off to a lab before moving on?

I dunno, but this is the one answer I need to sleep! ;-)

 

[Skigh]

Nice thinking. But I'm thinking they are already total specialists. i.e. Body dead. How did it die? Ok, it's not a bullet wound, over to you...?

This isn't sarcasm, I don't have the first clue how or whether they specialise, indeed you've got me thinking.....which is why I'm here.

RIP Tia

My memory is very hazy here but I think I remember from the trial in the Jo yeates case, one of the pathologists giving evidence had some specialist knowledge in strangulation cases

 

[MobyBluff]

You can say whatever you please. It's a sleuthing community which encourages opinions

My comment said I suspect he may be a police informant. That's my 'suspicion' of the moment amongst many others

It cannot be denied that he remained at liberty for a week with a child's body not far above his head as he slept, ate, etc. Police have admitted they did not handle the investigation well at all and have admitted to basic errors of judgement and procedure - all of which have been loudly criticised by ex senior Scotland Yard officers publicly, as you may be aware

It would be naive in the extreme to suggest that *IF* someone was known to be a valued informant, they would not be handled more 'gently' we might say, than someone who was not a police informant. And it does appear that police, deliberately or otherwise, have not been as aggressive in their handling of this case as we might have expected

I love theories being thrown into this arena. But random, far reaching theories, that defy even the most extreme values of society? I dunno, perhaps I am naive?

 

[Clio]

2 Pages back someone suggested that SH may not have had a good relationship with his father and this is why he was homeless. Through my research SH has a younger sister and brother (I can name them if allowed on here). He also has a lot of extended family members in the area. During this crisis I have not heard of one person who has stated to be a relative of his, unlike those proclaiming that CS is their Aunty, Sister, Cousin etc and kind and loving etc etc.
I doubt that SH could be a police informant, he has a rap sheet too long to be trusted. Plus he is clearly stupid beyond belief, as he has either left a long trail already or is covering for someone else.
If CS is a carer, perhaps she was looking after someone who was a sleep and so she snuck home for a while. Maybe things turned when she arrived to find mayhem.
I am curious to know more about DS, he seems to be very quiet now. We didnt even get a clip of him laying flowers yet.

BIB I did see this.

His sister, Sarah Parrat, said she did not believe her brother was involved and suspected "he is probably in a pub somewhere trying to get his head around it".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19214964

Admittedly, not the most flattering comment in the world though.

 

[wfgodot]

Maybe Nat Carey. He was the pathologist on the Jessica and Holly case. And as the police look like coming in for further criticism over the delay in discovering the body, perhaps they want to make sure they do things right now, and if that means getting a second pathologist in for another opinion so they can get the most accurate report possible, then that would look positive for them, I think.

He was also retained by the defense in the Joanna Yeates case.

 

[laserdisc10]

I love theories being thrown into this arena. But random, far reaching theories, that defy even the most extreme values of society? I dunno, perhaps I am naive?

All we may do from our positions is theorise based in information available

Some theories, 'far reaching' though they may sound to some, are reasonable and/or valid possibilities in the eyes of others

History is replete with frame-ups, planted evidence, police and witnesses lying under oath, etc. whether these offend society's values or not, these things happen

 

[Adorabella]

Or a 4th possibility that Granny was at home some time on Thursday afternoon /evening or possibly returned early Friday morning.

I would have thought it would be quite straightforward for the police to check Granny's movements and work hours.

If Tia was alive on Friday evening then I thought there would be sightings of her during the day and signs her phone had been used unless she was restained in some way.

Yes, which still gives us the same result as option 2 - they were both in it together, or covering for one another. Unless, of course, G'ma was then left alone with Tia and SH helped her cover up the crime.

 

[Clio]

My memory is very hazy here but I think I remember from the trial in the Jo yeates case, one of the pathologists giving evidence had some specialist knowledge in strangulation cases

Yes they did. It was the Defence pathologist who had a lot of experience in cases of strangulation. IIRC that was so that they could have an expert say it is possible to strangle someone in a short time.

 

[MobyBluff]

He was also retained by the defense in the Joanna Yeates case.

So, with this thought, we are waiting for this specialist to return from his Outer Hebridies holiday? It was Saturday they paused it and we are now Monday evening. They are saying that it is expected to continue later in the week. This could of course be in 10 minutes, but if he caught the first plane out from the other side of the world he would have been back here latest this morning.

I'm thinking they just don't want to issue their findings yet.......but then I can't think why.

 

[soozieqtips]

He was also retained by the defense in the Joanna Yeates case.

That's right. A strangulation case. He seems to be very well regarded, unlike Freddie Patel.

 

[Cherwell]

Agree with that, but the fact remains they have not restarted the post mortem.

How do we know? Has that come from an official source, or just media reports?

As for why, I agree with the idea that they are getting a second opinion*. There has been a recent long-running case involving a man who died after a fracas with a policeman and there were conflicting opinions at the separate post-mortems. I won't go into details but it is in the news again today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19247494

They may well wish to take no chances with this case.

*This would be separate from any other PM ordered by the defence, as is their right.

 

[MobyBluff]

All we may do from our positions is theorise based in information available

Some theories, 'far reaching' though they may sound to some, are reasonable and/or valid possibilities in the eyes of others

History is replete with frame-ups, planted evidence, police and witnesses lying under oath, etc. whether these offend society's values or not, these things happen

as I said perhaps I am naive. I can fully accept that he may be a drug ring snitch, but being tolerated gently as the chief suspect in a child murder investigation....doesn't feel at all possible to me......I am naive.