GUILTY UK - William, 85, & Patricia Wycherley, 63, murdered, Mansfield, May 1998

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zwiebel said:
I'll tell you what does shock me - how murderers in the UK can continue to bury bodies in small, overlooked gardens without being spotted. Is it because even though neighbours know someone has disappeared, and someone was digging the garden at the same time, they just can't believe that sort of thing could happen outside of newspaper reports or the movies?
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Dig at night, who's going to notice? It shocks me far more that a kidnap victim like Jaycee Dugard and her children could be kept in sheds and tents in a garden for years without anyone noticing!

graceholl said:
I don't know if anybody here followed the murder of Joanna Yeates in Bristol, but the arrest of the correct perp was made after a tearful tip-off to the police. LE never revealed who made that call or what was said, but it is widely believed to have been the perp's girlfriend.
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I never believed that, I think it was an invention by the tabloid press. There was never any police source for it. The girlfriend and her family initially stood by the killer.
 
Cherwell said:
I never believed that, I think it was an invention by the tabloid press. There was never any police source for it. The girlfriend and her family initially stood by the killer.
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Really? I remember being 99% sure it was the girlfriend. I can't remember why...I think she probably initially stood by him but then realised his alibi was slowly falling apart and that she was living with a killer. Why else would it be a tearful tip off?
 
I doubt either suspects will be granted bail at tomorrow court appearance as both suspects have no fix address and maybe a flight risk so they will be remained in jail.

If they plea guilty early they is a possible chance both suspects may have a lighter sentence subject to CPS and the judge in the case.

If this case goes to Crown Court then they are facing a long sentence if found guilty in a court of law by a jury system.
 
It's Autumn/Fall. Time to get the garden in order for winter. I think the poor tenant of the property may have been doing exactly that and got a nasty surprise.

There's something going on with that no fixed abode thing. They are listed as having an address. Did they give their home up in a hurry, before they were arrested at the station?

Police must have been following them. I'm guessing they had them on their radar from very early on but had to bring the arrests forward when they saw suspects were about to leave the country.
 
BREAKING NEWS :: MANSFIELD UPDATE ::

Susan Patricia Edwards aged 55 and Christopher John Edwards aged 57 have been refused Bail and charged with 2 counts of murder and addition charges will be added later concerning the sale of Susan parents house in the late 90's
 
colette said:
In this case it almost has to be a family member or caretaker who did this in my opinion. I'm not sleuthing them but who else would be able send those birthday cards, bury the couple in the back yard and fake those signatures except someone close?
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Their DAUGHTER didn't see them for 15 years?! And never went to see them?! And never reported them missing?! Come on, that's just not possible. And who else would know who to send Christmas cards to? I'm sure the murderer had their address book, but a stranger wouldn't know who to send cards to. She and her husband were involved, I don't care who they arrested for it.
 
martin walkerdine said:
BREAKING NEWS :: MANSFIELD :: NOTTINGHAMSHIRE ::

DAUGHTER AND HER HUSBAND CHARGED WITH MURDER OF 2 PEOPLE

The daughter and son-in-law of an elderly couple who disappeared in 1998 and were found buried in a back garden have been charged with their murders.

The remains thought to be of William and Patricia Wycherley were found at the Mansfield house on 9 October.

Tests showed they had been shot, Nottinghamshire Police said earlier.

Susan Patricia Edwards, 55, and Christopher John Edwards, 57, both of no fixed address, have each been charged with two counts of murder.

The pair are due to appear before magistrates on Saturday.

Formal identification has yet to be confirmed but detectives believe the remains are that of Mr and Mrs Wycherley who lived at the house in Blenheim Close, Forest Town, in the 1990s.

Police have said Mr and Mrs Wycherley "were known to be quite reclusive".
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Ok, so I should have read all the posts first! :blushing:

Gee, how could there have been any doubt about who did it?
 
Whoever did it, the two people arrested are still entitled to a fair trial.
 
I am sure they will get a fair trial. It doesn't sound as though there are many people who were very close to the victims still around, to advocate strongly on their behalf. They have been missing for years and nobody noticed, poor people.

It will just be the prosecutor speaking up for them. The actions of the accused over the years will 'speak' too, in my opinion. The jury will have to decide what that tells them.

Just personally, I don't feel this will be a very complicated trial. I think it will reveal a very sad and tragic story about these elderly victims though. :(
 
zwiebel said:
I am sure they will get a fair trial. It doesn't sound as though there are many people who were very close to the victims still around, to advocate strongly on their behalf. They have been missing for years and nobody noticed, poor people.

It will just be the prosecutor speaking up for them. The actions of the accused over the years will 'speak' too, in my opinion. The jury will have to decide what that tells them.

Just personally, I don't feel this will be a very complicated trial. I think it will reveal a very sad and tragic story about these elderly victims though. :(
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I totally agree with everything you have said.

It sounds as though WW and PW were a vulnerable and lonely elderly couple exploited and ultimately killed by their only child. Very sad in every respect.
 
Thanks Marg for the update. It must be easy for you, being so local. :)

The victims were said to have been shot. Besides being able to conceal the bodies in a small, overlooked garden, I am still wondering how on earth they were shot with nobody hearing?

I wonder what has happened to any assets? If a person has wrongfully profited from a crime and then wants to spend the possible (but unproven) profits from it on their legal costs, would it be allowed?
 
Very clear picture of the home and the garden/ burial site here. It is a little easier to understand, with that. The house is detached, and there are high fences between the gardens. Police seem to have excavated huge amounts of earth. Or was that someone in the home, trying to build a terrace and that's how the remains were discovered?

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Willi...court-murder/story-20086226-detail/story.html
 
zwiebel said:
Thanks Marg for the update. It must be easy for you, being so local. :)

The victims were said to have been shot. Besides being able to conceal the bodies in a small, overlooked garden, I am still wondering how on earth they were shot with nobody hearing?

I wonder what has happened to any assets? If a person has wrongfully profited from a crime and then wants to spend the possible (but unproven) profits from it on their legal costs, would it be allowed?
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Lol Yes I'm right there. Or I will be in June only a little to the right and up a bit. iirc the house was sold and there is another person who supposedly witnessed the signatures of the couple who were murdered only it was after they were murdered. He had apparently been known to the police for some shifty things. It will probably come out at the trial about them getting him involved with selling the house. You would need to check back further in the posts. I just don't know where it is.
 
Susan and Christopher Edwards have entered not guilty pleas to the murder of Mr and Mrs Wycherley. They are accused of murdering them between May 1st - 5th, 1998, which is interesting. I wonder how police managed to narrow down the time?

Another hearing is scheduled March 21st, but the trial is still set for June 2nd. I'm guessing they have not been given bail.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/Human...-deny-murder/story-20678192-detail/story.html
 
If they disappeared in 98, and the house was sold in 2006, and the house was empty during that time other than the younger couple caring for the garden, then it is unlikely they were killed for the value of the property. Otherwise the house would have been sold rather than left empty for 8 years.

So, there is something else going on. Possibly welfare/pension fraud. The older couple might have done a murder/suicide, and the younger couple exploited that for the welfare aspect.

It is quite easy for some of these elderly people to be missed btw, especially if they are not social. Many years ago there was a guy who lived further down the block from my place, who was very old and pretty much kept to himself all of the time. His neighbors used to help out and take care of his garden and lawn when they did theirs, but he was dead for 6 months before anyone realized it. They kept the yard tidy so nothing looked out of place, his mail got delivered through the slot in the front door and since the neighbors rarely actually saw him they thought nothing off it until eventually someone got curious. I think it was unpaid utility bills or taxes that eventually got the questions going.
 
They have admitted two counts of 'obstructing the coroner in his duties' and 'theft of a credit balance' but deny murder. I wonder if they are going to suggest Mr and Mrs Wycherley died as a result of a murder/suicide,? Although that still doesn't explain why they would just bury them instead of reporting the deaths.

Revealingly, the thefts from a Halifax account occured between May 4th 1998 and Oct 2013. This kind of answers my earlier question about how police managed to narrow down such a specific time of death (May 1-5th '98) - I guess they are going by when money started draining from the account. It looks like cash may have been the motive here, rather than property.

This article says the Edwards were arrested as they returned to St Pancras from France, not as they were trying to leave, which is surprising.

Next court appearance June 4th. Trial's expected to last about a month.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-admit-burying-yard-nearly-16-years-ago.html
 
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