VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[FindAmy]

So, I've been thinking about this today.



A drink may have been all that he had time for?



Of all of the witnesses with verified stories, this is the one about which I have the most questions. If the handlers were there, how was it that Amy could say as much as she said to the sailor?

It was reported by Amy's mom that the sailor told Amy there was a Naval boat five minutes away and she could leave. Why would she say, "No, you don't understand. I'm Amy Bradley," instead of making a run for it with him?

I want to be clear -- I'm not doubting Amy's mom whatsoever. My questions are specifically about the witness. Was he able to give a description of the man/men who told Amy to go upstairs? If so, did the sketch match any of the other handler sketches?



Just thinking out loud here: Is it possible they were selective in who they allowed her to go with? If it was obvious the witness was an American -- especially a member of the military -- I could see them keeping her away.



It doesn't sound like it was very obscure if the bar was a big draw?



I really do wonder if they burned the place down to rid all evidence of Amy having been there. Maybe it's where the photos were taken. They could have been taken prior to the hotel fire -- then they could have been stolen and the hotel owner panicked and burned the place down. This has been bugging me all day.

From what the witness has said, he entered the bar and noticed Amy sitting at a table with another woman. He didn't say that the handlers were sitting with her. They were nearby, but didn't sound as attentive as they had been in Porto Marie, San Francisco, or Barbados.

Iva's account of what Amy said is accurate. I don't want to repeat Amy's conversations or other sensitive details like that. Others have asked why Amy didn't bolt with the sailor. I don't have an answer because I don't know for certain. I do know that kidnap victims are often in great fear for their own lives and lives of loved ones. They are often victims of threats. They also fear punishment which would have been possible if an escape attempt failed. The sailor did tell the Bradleys that he had seen their daughter and she was in trouble.

The handlers who were with Amy in the hotel were not the same handlers in the sketches.

It is possible that they were selective with who Amy could have contact with.

I don't think the hotel was burned to destroy evidence of Amy. It was not learned that Amy had been there until over a year after the hotel burned. The escort photos didn't appear for three more years. The hotel was very old and reportedly, it was run down. The Otrobanda area is an old section of Willemstad and the area has had a revival of sorts. It's a popular location for tourists because the tourists disembark from the cruise ships into Otrobanda. The nearby cruise terminal and duty free zone have been a big stimulus to the area. I have learned that there had been other fires in the areas of the hotel and Bronplein, and there were arrests for arson and insurance fraud. I think it might have had more to do with the free zone, nearby construction opportunities, and tourism possibilities. It's in a prme location in this revival area.


ETA:

We have to also understand that it is very possible that the Chief Petty Officer gave the FBI information that he did not share with the Bradleys. The FBI doesn't share information.

 

[FindAmy]

This is exactly why I asked about organized crime. I've learned so much from the Polaris Project. There is much information out there regarding human trafficking, drugs, gambling and the laundering of the money through Caribbean channels. Several presidents have been put into office via these channels, all proven, just to show you that dirty politicians are just as bad here as they are in other countries...

I personally don't believe that organized crime is involved.

 

[FindAmy]

FindAmy, found this link but can't upload screencap til I figure what's up with my Photobucket...

I'm going to cut & paste but not upload the picture. It's a quarter of the way down the page & it's from 2006.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060323180924/http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/

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Every month we invite world wide escorts and entertainers to visit our resort for business and pleasure. We require that they become free members of the Adult Friend Finder (see below) and post their pictures.
If you can find them on the membership list, please send us their I.D or handle as it is called and you have the opportunity to spend a full day and night (male guests) or two days and nights (female guests) with them, while visiting our resort at no extra charge.
Note: Your all inclusive package already includes your regular companion for the duration of the vacation, this offer applies only for the visiting escorts and entertainers who usually charge extraordinary rates for their companionship.

Tip: They are all listed in the N. American section.

I believe this was in 2006, after Affordable Adult Vacations had become Total Satisfaction. This was after Amy's photos had been posted. I seriously doubt that Amy's photo would be found on Adult Friend Finder. You are more than welcome to spend the time, I just seriously doubt that it will be there.

 

[FindAmy]

Same link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060323180924/http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/

Snipped:

ABOUT US
back to the top
Affordable-Adult-Vacations.com established itself as an organization under the name "Caribbean Fantasy Tours" and "Caribbean Vacations and Conference Consultants" in 1986 and as the only adult oriented company offering a full service private Caribbean resort and a Conventions and Conferences Service.
However we specialized in vacations to the Caribbean including our fully escorted all inclusive Erotic Vacation. We have over 35 years experience in the Hospitality Industry that has helped us to deliver high quality service at affordable rates.

What makes us different??

We created our Adult Tours to cater to the open minded active traveller who does not want to pay highly inflated prices for such a vacation.
We operate our own Hotel.
You can take your vacation any time you want even on a day's notice.
You do not have to wait for a planned tour.
We operate all year around.
We can afford to offer you our free risk "Try It First Guarantee".
The escorts live in our hotel so you can change your companion every 24 hours with someone you already have met and know.
Our services and rates remain always the same.
The travel representative knows the people, area, culture and will assist you with every aspect of your vacation.
We offer one package one destination one all inclusive price that covers everything.

Did you check the previous thread? We have this information and more over there.

 

[FindAmy]

Hmmm... Same link but below the AFF info:

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And do not forget, I, Alexis or by business partner Oscar will be at the resort 24 hours a day to serve you.


Who is Oscar?

Oscar XXXXX didn't join the group until after Amy's photos had been posted. He joined after Affordable Adult Vacations was disbanded and the business became Total Satisfaction. Oscar started working for the group in 2004. Whoever posted Amy's photograph was there in 2002 and in early 2004. These are the people who had access to the photo and possibly Amy. At the very least, the group from 2002-2004 knew who did have access to Amy and they knew where those photographs had come from. If you follow this group over any period of time, you will see a significant change in employees. It was constant. This is why I have suggested focusing on the people who made decisions and worked with the website from 2002 until 2004. These people were Paul Baxter, Alexis Zaglanitis, and Thomas Wild.

 

[FindAmy]

This is a screen capture for September 4, 2012. This is the same link that I have been posting.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/amy-bradley

 

[FindAmy]

 

[FindAmy]

The FBI in the Caribbean has not always been good in responding with tips and witness sightings. If anyone has any information, please contact the Bradleys at teamamy@hotmail.com.

 

[Bree0372]

So, I've been thinking about this today.



A drink may have been all that he had time for? More times than not that's what sailors are mostly after when they leave their boat. They want to drink and let loose...not necessarily looking for a girl. And, this Chief Petty Officer in the Navy (different than a Naval Officer) was married at the time.



Of all of the witnesses with verified stories, this is the one about which I have the most questions. If the handlers were there, how was it that Amy could say as much as she said to the sailor? Perhaps she was allowed to talk to locals. It was when they saw her talking with an American that they took her away. One thing is certain - when a military man walks off a boat into a foreign country, they stick out. I'm sure it was obvious that he was an American military man. And, it's normally no secret that a Navy ship has ported.

It was reported by Amy's mom that the sailor told Amy there was a Naval boat five minutes away and she could leave. Why would she say, "No, you don't understand. I'm Amy Bradley," instead of making a run for it with him? She probably understood what could happen. They could have ended her life and/or the life of the military guy.

I want to be clear -- I'm not doubting Amy's mom whatsoever. My questions are specifically about the witness. Was he able to give a description of the man/men who told Amy to go upstairs? If so, did the sketch match any of the other handler sketches? FindingAmy - when they told her to "go upstairs" did they mean to a room? If so, it would be interesting to find the bartender and maybe someone else that worked at the hotel - maybe they would recognize her. If she looked then like she did in SF (like the sketch) then she is memorable.



Just thinking out loud here: Is it possible they were selective in who they allowed her to go with? If it was obvious the witness was an American -- especially a member of the military -- I could see them keeping her away. Exactly!



It doesn't sound like it was very obscure if the bar was a big draw?



I really do wonder if they burned the place down to rid all evidence of Amy having been there. Maybe it's where the photos were taken. They could have been taken prior to the hotel fire -- then they could have been stolen and the hotel owner panicked and burned the place down. This has been bugging me all day.

My comments in red.

Watched an HBO documentary years ago on the child sex trade in Thailand. Darryl Hannah hosted it & travelled there under cover. 5 y/o performing oral sex on an American Doctor. It destroyed everything in my being. That's when I really started getting involved. Their politicians (I even think it was a female in charge of some govt entity) only acted like they were doing something, but really they weren't. It was all caught on film. They just moved the girls & pretended they rescued them. The reasoning behind it is that they're a dirt poor country so that's how they make their money. Made me sick to watch, even more sick once I got involved in awareness of human trafficking. It's freaking sick.

Didn't Joran VDS have ties to Thailand and some "dancers"?

I do believe that Amy was probably slated to be kidnapped the night before when the eager waiter wanted her to go to Carlos and Charlies. I think it would have been easier to drug her in a club situation. I think it would have been so much easier for her to disappear at night, in a location that wasn't in the ocean. I personally believe that taking her from the cruise ship was probably a Plan B and it involved a lot more risk.

Amy has been seen primarily in the southern Caribbean, however, I think it's extremely probable that she could be seen on other Caribbean islands.

I've been thinking about this (BBM): I think you are exactly right! When did the Bradley's leave for this cruise? What day (day 1, day 2, etc) was this invitation to C&C? My biggest :waitasec: moment is: WHY AMY? Out of everyone on that ship, why did they single her out? IMHO, this wasn't some spur of the moment decision to take her, obviously.

* The man that Iva said was watching them. Is there a description of him? (Maybe I missed it. If so, I apologize.)

* It was the Portuguese waiter (Cabrito) that asked her to go to C&C. It was also him that told Brad (IIRC) that he was sorry she was missing, before any ship personnel knew she was missing.

* Then the ship photos - all pictures of Amy were missing. And, Iva has a receipt for reprints, but never received them. Why not?

* AD's attempt to make everyone think he was asleep in his room since 0100. He just didn't realize he had been seen with her. So, it's obvious he was lying and staged his "sleeping in his room".

* The Captains lack of concern (IMHO) for Amy being missing. I would have thought they would have locked things down until a thorough search of the ship was performed. And, by thorough, I mean rooms, storage rooms, containers, etc.

And, the Security (I think) guy that told the staff video engineer (Steve) to remove any evidence of Amy from any videos. That was stated in the story by the television director and video editor (Chris Fenwick).
http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

Wednesday March 24, 1998 Morning Rumors about a girl (Amy) missing from the ship

Thursday March 25th, 1998 Chris went to Steve's room: Steve casually informed Chris that he had been instructed by ship security to make sure that there were no images of the missing girl in his “Cruise Video”, the type of videotape that you would buy at the end of your cruise showing all the great things that you had done all week on board. :waitasec: If the ship had nothing to hide, then why did they want these images deleted?

Friday Afternoon "Mid afternoon on Friday, while I was in my room working, I recieved a phone call. The man on the phone told me his name was Lou Costello..........He asked me if, “I was the guy with the video tape of the missing girl” I told him that yes, I was. At that point he told me that he was going to have to get that tape from me." Who is Lou Costello and why would he need the master tape? ETA: So, Lou was the Safety Officer for Royal Caribbean at that time. He was promoted, apparently, to Fleet Safety Manager at Royal Caribbean International in May 2006. And, he is still employed by RCI. http://www.linkedin.com/in/loucostello


...........sorry for my rambling. I think the answer is right in front of our face, but the question is...what are we looking at? Does that make sense? Clear as mud to me.

 

[UKgirl]

Not sure if this will help, but I googled rhapsody of the seas to get some pictures of the ship. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody_of_the_Seas[/ame].

I just wanted to see if the staff exit was a distance away from the passanger exit. OCuldnt see it, so off to do some more googling.

 

[UKgirl]

Also I found the ships layout online too. But i cant find any information of what it looked like in 1998. But I doubt the general layout has changed much. http://cruisewonderland.tiyogami.com/ShipTours/RhapsodyOfTheSeas.htm

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Wow scopolamine is a motion sickness medication that you can obtain easily. Who knew it could be used for that kind of thing!

Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

& it's found in the drug culture in the Carib

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I personally don't believe that organized crime is involved.

Then why would she need 3 henchmen? A gang? Even some cults are considered organized crime when they "pullin people" using unnecessary means. Organized crime doesn't just deal in the hooker side of human trafficking. They also lure less affluent people with the promise of money & housing to clean & cook for others of wealth, only for those people to find out they've actually been sold into white slavery. That affluent couple busted in NY for slavery made their purchases through illegal channels I think in the Dominican (can't remember at the moment). That's still considered organized crime.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I do believe that Amy was probably slated to be kidnapped the night before when the eager waiter wanted her to go to Carlos and Charlies. I think it would have been easier to drug her in a club situation. I think it would have been so much easier for her to disappear at night, in a location that wasn't in the ocean. I personally believe that taking her from the cruise ship was probably a Plan B and it involved a lot more risk.

Amy has been seen primarily in the southern Caribbean, however, I think it's extremely probable that she could be seen on other Caribbean islands.

I totally agree. Also to note: I investigated Carlos & Charlie's after Natalee Holloway's disappearance. I read an ongoing account of secretive dealings in the human trade & drugs (not to mention money laundering) on Aruba being a jumping point for other Carib lands. The 2 people talking releasing this info were sick of the VdS's and other shady people (their island govt) getting away with stuff like this. They said when that oil company was gone, there was no other means of revenue but for tourism. The main link to everything going on with illegal stuff was always C&C's.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I believe this was in 2006, after Affordable Adult Vacations had become Total Satisfaction. This was after Amy's photos had been posted. I seriously doubt that Amy's photo would be found on Adult Friend Finder. You are more than welcome to spend the time, I just seriously doubt that it will be there.

FindAmy, you misunderstand what I'm getting at. There could be other girls that were on the same site Amy was on, at the time she was in it, still in the system via cache. Some women get out of this, whether escape, rescue or allowability. They become part of an outreach sometimes to spread awareness. What I'm saying is that maybe a girl (or more than 1) could be identified and spoken with to give insight into whomever has Amy and her whereabouts. I bit for a second think Amy was on AFF, didn't even think along that line - unless whomever has/had her put her info on there themselves. Since AFF has been HUGE in the world for many many years, I can't see how Any would have ever been on there bc if she had her profile would have been identified years ago.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Same link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060323180924/http://www.affordable-adult-vacations.com/

Snipped:

ABOUT US
back to the top
Affordable-Adult-Vacations.com established itself as an organization under the name "Caribbean Fantasy Tours" and "Caribbean Vacations and Conference Consultants" in 1986 and as the only adult oriented company offering a full service private Caribbean resort and a Conventions and Conferences Service.
However we specialized in vacations to the Caribbean including our fully escorted all inclusive Erotic Vacation. We have over 35 years experience in the Hospitality Industry that has helped us to deliver high quality service at affordable rates.

What makes us different??

We created our Adult Tours to cater to the open minded active traveller who does not want to pay highly inflated prices for such a vacation.
We operate our own Hotel.
You can take your vacation any time you want even on a day's notice.
You do not have to wait for a planned tour.
We operate all year around.
We can afford to offer you our free risk "Try It First Guarantee".
The escorts live in our hotel so you can change your companion every 24 hours with someone you already have met and know.
Our services and rates remain always the same.
The travel representative knows the people, area, culture and will assist you with every aspect of your vacation.
We offer one package one destination one all inclusive price that covers everything.

Did you check the previous thread? We have this information and more over there.

Yes, there's a lot, even more on the worldwide web. I posted this info and highlighted their statement about "their own hotel" bc all of their hotels haven't been identified, as well as all of their company names.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Good morning PaperKat!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The FBI in the Caribbean has not always been good in responding with tips and witness sightings. If anyone has any information, please contact the Bradleys at teamamy@hotmail.com.

Are they even trustworthy? I've read things that suggest certain overseas govt officials, even through US channels, are in on the take, easily bought with the right amount of funds.

Iow, hear no evil see no evil.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

What is the ship's identification number, their license number if you will? (not RC's licensure, but the ship's itself...kind of like a car/automobile vin)

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I've been thinking about this (BBM): I think you are exactly right! When did the Bradley's leave for this cruise? What day (day 1, day 2, etc) was this invitation to C&C? My biggest :waitasec: moment is: WHY AMY? Out of everyone on that ship, why did they single her out? IMHO, this wasn't some spur of the moment decision to take her, obviously.

* The man that Iva said was watching them. Is there a description of him? (Maybe I missed it. If so, I apologize.)

* It was the Portuguese waiter (Cabrito) that asked her to go to C&C. It was also him that told Brad (IIRC) that he was sorry she was missing, before any ship personnel knew she was missing.

* Then the ship photos - all pictures of Amy were missing. And, Iva has a receipt for reprints, but never received them. Why not?

* AD's attempt to make everyone think he was asleep in his room since 0100. He just didn't realize he had been seen with her. So, it's obvious he was lying and staged his "sleeping in his room".

* The Captains lack of concern (IMHO) for Amy being missing. I would have thought they would have locked things down until a thorough search of the ship was performed. And, by thorough, I mean rooms, storage rooms, containers, etc.

And, the Security (I think) guy that told the staff video engineer (Steve) to remove any evidence of Amy from any videos. That was stated in the story by the television director and video editor (Chris Fenwick).
http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

Wednesday March 24, 1998 Morning Rumors about a girl (Amy) missing from the ship

Thursday March 25th, 1998 Chris went to Steve's room: Steve casually informed Chris that he had been instructed by ship security to make sure that there were no images of the missing girl in his “Cruise Video”, the type of videotape that you would buy at the end of your cruise showing all the great things that you had done all week on board. :waitasec: If the ship had nothing to hide, then why did they want these images deleted?

Friday Afternoon "Mid afternoon on Friday, while I was in my room working, I recieved a phone call. The man on the phone told me his name was Lou Costello..........He asked me if, “I was the guy with the video tape of the missing girl” I told him that yes, I was. At that point he told me that he was going to have to get that tape from me." Who is Lou Costello and why would he need the master tape? ETA: So, Lou was the Safety Officer for Royal Caribbean at that time. He was promoted, apparently, to Fleet Safety Manager at Royal Caribbean International in May 2006. And, he is still employed by RCI. http://www.linkedin.com/in/loucostello


...........sorry for my rambling. I think the answer is right in front of our face, but the question is...what are we looking at? Does that make sense? Clear as mud to me.

Re your post above in response to FindAmy:

I agree... Also, wasn't Cabrito ruled out as being involved? If so, how could he honestly be ruled out knowing how much goes on at C&C's? I mean, seriously?

About Amy getting singled out: People are singled out for a plethora of reasons. Most of the time it isn't bc they look like million dollar models (not to be taken out of context please). I've personally studied & studied this, and I think the way they scout the people they're going kidnap is by watching them, studying them (their mannerisms etc). I suspect the people involved in Amy's kidnapping watched her (and maybe other people too) to see how she looked at other people, maybe how she looked at other couples in specific. Everyone likes attention sometimes, so maybe since Amy was on the cruise with her family & not a significant other they could pick somebody to "pay attention to her and show her a good time", therefore making her center of attention and special (not that she wasn't already, it's only an analogy). Once that's accomplished, trust is somewhat won and her guard would be down, which is when they could go in for the kidnapping. She was lured IMO, then they took over. Once a strong confident person realizes they were played and/or lured, they've also realized they aren't impenetrable and therefore feel exposed. They have trust issues at that point. Once emotion plays a factor, kidnappers win.

That would maybe be the scenario if a buyer said he/she wanted somebody from that ship on a whim, without forethought.

If Amy was the target even before she left for the cruise, then it must have been by other diabolical means. Ie: maybe another company is involved...which I don't think bc Amy was in all seriousness your average American young lady...sweet, right out of college, loving family with decent morals, good friends, yada yada. Plus, her father's company was already investigated with regards to this case & cleared.