VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[maureen]

I don't know how to link, but, go to first page of this thread, post #8 - its a woman who was in an ad for a brothel. I don't think it looks like her, but, I guess the family does

 

[maureen]

also post # 11- different pic same lady

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't know how to link, but, go to first page of this thread, post #8 - its a woman who was in an ad for a brothel. I don't think it looks like her, but, I guess the family does

To link, go to the post you wish to link to, and there is a post # in the top right hand corner of the post. Just right click it and select "copy shortcut", then go back to your current post and do Ctrl V to paste the link into your current post.

HTH

 

[Teche]

Hopefully a moderator can help to get us a verified insider to assist/lead us. Understandably many experienced sleuths that have a much higher skill level are taking a break. I don't understand why this missing person's sleuthing is so different then others. Are the FBI actually working this case or only looking when a tip is called in? Can we make a concerted effort to call in our 'ideas'?

 

[Sillybilly]

Hopefully a moderator can help to get us a verified insider to assist/lead us. Understandably many experienced sleuths that have a much higher skill level are taking a break. I don't understand why this missing person's sleuthing is so different then others. Are the FBI actually working this case or only looking when a tip is called in? Can we make a concerted effort to call in our 'ideas'?

FA has been verified by Admin as an insider Teche, and for whatever reasons FA is not posting right now. Maybe they will return after they've had a breather or some good R&R. This thread is different because we are asked to operate under different conditions for a reason known to Admin and insiders, but not necessarily to us. (We're just spoiled in having such a free hand most of the time, with very few limitations ... so this is an exciting, new experience for us, don't ya think? :woohoo We'll sort it out, and we can persevere ... strait jackets and all.

IMO, anything passed along to the FBI or the family should have some good substance to it as opposed to just a hunch, or an idea. If in doubt about the "quality" of the idea/hint/fact/etc, I'm sure the Mods or Admin would be glad to clarify whether something is worthy passing along or not.

 

[ChateauMarmont]

I mean , the only thing that's fact (IMO) in this case is that nothing is "fact".

I honestly can't find one concrete statement about this missing persons case besides that ALB went on a cruise and didn't come back ...

I would like the mods to shed light on the verified poster , and if the posts made are still demed verified ?

This is the only case I've seen where we don't really have any facts , or statements made without contradiction ...

14 years is a loooong time ,

I feel if any information is good information at this point , if Amy is indeed known to be alive and in distress ... But putting first/last names of POI's that haven't officially been named , along with countless details of events that contradict each other (IMO) isn't right , and could possibly put some people in danger.

 

[neesaki]

Hopefully a moderator can help to get us a verified insider to assist/lead us. Understandably many experienced sleuths that have a much higher skill level are taking a break. I don't understand why this missing person's sleuthing is so different then others. Are the FBI actually working this case or only looking when a tip is called in? Can we make a concerted effort to call in our 'ideas'?

Actually, I would love to see this amount of attention be given to Robyn Gardner's case. She's been missing from Aruba since August of last year.

 

[neesaki]

I mean , the only thing that's fact (IMO) in this case is that nothing is "fact".[/B]

I honestly can't find one concrete statement about this missing persons case besides that ALB went on a cruise and didn't come back ...

I would like the mods to shed light on the verified poster , and if the posts made are still demed verified ?

This is the only case I've seen where we don't really have any facts , or statements made without contradiction ...

14 years is a loooong time ,

I feel if any information is good information at this point , if Amy is indeed known to be alive and in distress ... But putting first/last names of POI's that haven't officially been named , along with countless details of events that contradict each other (IMO) isn't right , and could possibly put some people in danger.

Yeah, I know what you mean, Chateau. And other things, such as statements by the v.i. that information the Bradley's themselves have released, shouldn't have been released. :what: Don't know what's real and what's not anymore. So, yeah, I'm kinda feeling the same way. Starting to wonder if perhaps we've entered into some other dimension... maybe we've entered into ... The Twilight Zone....
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y"]Twilight Zone intro. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[tarabull]

21 yr old woman missing from Allure of The Seas is the newest in Royal Caribbean’s fleet of ships and the largest:

FL FL/TN - Name withheld - 21 yrs old - Ft.Lauderdale/Bartlett - OVERBOARD - 16-Sep-2012

 

[chicagofa13]

IMO for this case to be sleuthed via a message board it has to be in a non-public system where people can post at will. If you are afraid of someone seeing something it can't be done here too easily. (Yep, I'm still lurking and keeping up w/ the thread.)

 

[Jersey*Girl]

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[Jersey*Girl]

There were contradictions posted on this case. Pointing out those contradictions imo is important bc it helps us to stick with facts informed via the Bradleys themselves through media interviews as well as the legal docs accessible.

It's also important to note that we are led to believe the FBI/Interpol haven't shared everything with the Bradleys. If this is true (& I personally have no reason to doubt that), then maybe they have a reason. I don't buy into that "no jurisdiction" stuff. If there's an American held captive anywhere in the world, if our govt wants to they'll go in & rescue that person. Period. So if the FBI/Interpol haven't shared certain info with the Bradleys then I suspect they have a damn good reason.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I would like to know if Iva or Ron personally check the TeamAmy email. Are they the only two with access? If not , who else has direct access (besides maybe Brad)? How often is it checked?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Hopefully a moderator can help to get us a verified insider to assist/lead us. Understandably many experienced sleuths that have a much higher skill level are taking a break. I don't understand why this missing person's sleuthing is so different then others. Are the FBI actually working this case or only looking when a tip is called in? Can we make a concerted effort to call in our 'ideas'?

BBM

IMVHO, bc there is a possibility she's still alive & bc there's a possibility this case is related to others...so what gets posted needs to be done responsibly. Some of us on Amy's thread found a ton of stuff, I mean a staggering amount really. We're just being sensible about this. Plus, we'd need approval first bc some stuff involves an avenue we can't go down at the moment. Still in the process of gathering info.

& btw - there's absolutely no way possible that FBI & Interpol doesn't have this as well. Not possible at all. So again, wondering why the Bradleys wouldn't have this stuff...

 

[masootz]

I mean , the only thing that's fact (IMO) in this case is that nothing is "fact".

I honestly can't find one concrete statement about this missing persons case besides that ALB went on a cruise and didn't come back ...

I would like the mods to shed light on the verified poster , and if the posts made are still demed verified ?

This is the only case I've seen where we don't really have any facts , or statements made without contradiction ...

14 years is a loooong time ,

I feel if any information is good information at this point , if Amy is indeed known to be alive and in distress ... But putting first/last names of POI's that haven't officially been named , along with countless details of events that contradict each other (IMO) isn't right , and could possibly put some people in danger.

thank you for this. i couldn't have said it better myself. i want to help find her but a) we can't talk about some stuff that i think is relevant (not a snipe, just a fact) and b) at this point there are so many quasi-facts floating around that i can't tell what actually happened versus what is a reporter's version, a producer's version (for unsolved mysteries/vanished), or what is a fellow sleuther's version. i don't take a tv show as canon in these situations. a show like vanished is interested in viewership and not necessarily presenting a 100% accurate description, so how much of the facts in that show can we take as accurate? we're also dealing with good information disappearing from web searches. items from 1998 are few and far between (other than was heroic ws'ers have archived) and really there is a lot less information available publicly than i'd expect for a fourteen year old missing persons case. on top of that there are so many well meaning people on ws and out in the world who relay information that makes me scratch my head because it doesn't make any sense. i agree with whoever said to be productive at this point we'd need to take it off ws - what we really need is a giant corkboard where we can pin all of the articles and information and really see the whole case. it'd help us separate fact from fiction.

 

[ChateauMarmont]

There were contradictions posted on this case. Pointing out those contradictions imo is important bc it helps us to stick with facts informed via the Bradleys themselves through media interviews as well as the legal docs accessible.

It's also important to note that we are led to believe the FBI/Interpol haven't shared everything with the Bradleys. If this is true (& I personally have no reason to doubt that), then maybe they have a reason. I don't buy into that "no jurisdiction" stuff. If there's an American held captive anywhere in the world, if our govt wants to they'll go in & rescue that person. Period. So if the FBI/Interpol haven't shared certain info with the Bradleys then I suspect they have a damn good reason.

Well (respectfully) ,

The "facts" from the Bradley's (via they're quotes statements) have been contradicted by many outlets and even themselves ...

 

[masootz]

contradictions or missing/incomplete information off the top of my head:

1) when ab/bb came back to the room from the disco (and whether they were together)
2) what time her father saw her on the patio
3) the amount of time that elapsed between her father noticing her missing and alerting the ship crew
4) which crew members she spoke about giving her the creeps
5) which crew member indicated to brad she was missing before that person should have known
6) what areas the initial search of the ship covered
7) how many exits to shore there were on the ship
8) shoes or lack thereof
9) how long it took the fbi to arrive and start searching
10) how well the fbi was able to search the ship
11) who saw her on the elevator with y and exactly what they said happened
12) whether someone saw her getting into a cab in pr
13) the timings and details of the various sightings throughout the years
14) whether the pictures from the adult site are her or not
15) who was given lie detector tests and whether they passed or not
16) whether the fbi was able to search the hotel the navy officer saw "her" in
17) whether pb and az were vetted by le
18) post 2005 sightings, are there any?

i'm sure there's more, but i figure that makes the point chateau was making above (with which i completely agree).

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Well (respectfully) ,

The "facts" from the Bradley's (via they're quotes statements) have been contradicted by many outlets and even themselves ...

Thank you.

Chateau, we are on the same page...

What I'm getting at is this: there are too many inconsistencies in the facts as presented via all avenues. To hear the Bradleys speak the facts is one thing, but the media written quotes - most especially paired with the verified insider's posts - leave many of us scratching our heads. Then throw the legal docs into it all & you'll be pulling your hair out. So, considering all the "facts" out there, the only way to sleuth this is IMO by tackling every single angle.

It's been 14 years.

14 years.

She's been gone 14 years and nothing, zilch...however there's lots of stuff behind the scenes.

 

[Sillybilly]

& btw - there's absolutely no way possible that FBI & Interpol doesn't have this as well. Not possible at all. So again, wondering why the Bradleys wouldn't have this stuff...

<rsbm>

As harsh as this sounds, LE does NOT have to share info with the family. IMO, any info that isn't shared is due to a very good reason. I suspect this case is MUCH bigger than just Amy, and the slightest mis-step could jeopardize an entire long-term international investigation.

I can't share all the details due to personal safety (and probably a bit of paranoi, lol), but ... we had a murder in our family and for many, many years, we didn't have a clue about the investigation until such time as the perps were caught and brought to justice. The details we learned from the media during trial. Turns out the perps were known to our family, and trust me ... life was not pleasant for us with swirling suspicions, mucho veiled intimidation, and just plain breakdowns of some of those in the family circle. As much as LE may have sympathized with the innocents, not a word was leaked. We found out years later that someone very close to me was one of the people involved in the initial investigation ... not a word !!!

I sympathize with the families and those who care ... these dudes and dudettes can be awfully closed-mouth when they need to be, so as frustrating as it can be for the family, there is reason. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

I recall reading somewhere about pics being taken at the Bradleys' home after Amy's disappearance. Can't find it now ... did i dream that up? If it is true, chances are the pics were shown to Amy to let her know just how close the perps can get to her family and/or to intimidate the family into backing off