VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[neesaki]

<rsbm>

as harsh as this sounds, le does not have to share info with the family. imo, any info that isn't shared is due to a very good reason. I suspect this case is much bigger than just amy, and the slightest mis-step could jeopardize an entire long-term international investigation.

i can't share all the details due to personal safety (and probably a bit of paranoi, lol), but ... We had a murder in our family and for many, many years, we didn't have a clue about the investigation until such time as the perps were caught and brought to justice. The details we learned from the media during trial. Turns out the perps were known to our family, and trust me ... Life was not pleasant for us with swirling suspicions, mucho veiled intimidation, and just plain breakdowns of some of those in the family circle. As much as le may have sympathized with the innocents, not a word was leaked. We found out years later that someone very close to me was one of the people involved in the initial investigation ... Not a word !!!

I sympathize with the families and those who care ... These dudes and dudettes can be awfully closed-mouth when they need to be, so as frustrating as it can be for the family, there is reason. Jmo

bbm: ITA

 

[neesaki]

I recall reading somewhere about pics being taken at the Bradleys' home after Amy's disappearance. Can't find it now ... did i dream that up? If it is true, chances are the pics were shown to Amy to let her know just how close the perps can get to her family and/or to intimidate the family into backing off

Strange, I cannot find FA's original quote. :waitasec: Just some follow-ups:

Posted by MysteryMaven, Post #457 [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8288930&postcount=457"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - VA VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #1[/ame]
Posted by MysteryMaven, Post #457

Wow, some of this information is really freaking me out. So many people seem to be involved in all of this. Just the fact that people were seen taking photos of Amy's family after she disappeared is one of the scariest things about this! I can't believe the police couldn't catch up to them. There seems to have been so many times where Amy could have been helped. It's so sad. She seemed like such a wonderful person, well loved by her family. Maybe LE just hasn't done enough to find her? I suppose she could be anywhere if she was seen in California. It's the proverbial needle in the haystack.
Find Amy makes a good point about the escort photos. They were not similar to the other photos on the site, etc. Why were they put there then? Just can't wrap my mind around it. If I was the Bradley's I would be tempted to take up permanent residence in the Caribbean to search for Amy daily. But that could backfire I'm sure, and Amy would be taken somewhere else.

Posted by FindAmy, Post #460
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I don't know how the Chesterfield, Viriginia police determined that the car was a rental. I don't know how law enforcement concluded that the photographers were connected to the captors. They felt that the photographs would be used to intimidate and threaten Amy. Supposedly, this is common in abductions for victim compliance.

At one point, I had wondered if the photographer was from one of the tabloids like the National Enquirer. I had wondered if they were trying to create a sensational cover story of some kind. Law enforcement says that they ruled that out. How, I don't know because the FBI doesn't share information.

This group could have many contacts in the US and they could even be in the US.

 

[Anadarko]

Strange, I cannot find FA's original quote. :waitasec: Just some follow-ups:

Posted by MysteryMaven, Post #457 Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - VA VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #1
Posted by MysteryMaven, Post #457


Posted by FindAmy, Post #460
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - VA VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #1

Neesaki - 8/21 - Post #414 (I don't know how to quote a post from a closed thread, or I'd do that for you...

 

[Chorley8]

thank you for this. i couldn't have said it better myself. i want to help find her but a) we can't talk about some stuff that i think is relevant (not a snipe, just a fact) and b) at this point there are so many quasi-facts floating around that i can't tell what actually happened versus what is a reporter's version, a producer's version (for unsolved mysteries/vanished), or what is a fellow sleuther's version. i don't take a tv show as canon in these situations. a show like vanished is interested in viewership and not necessarily presenting a 100% accurate description, so how much of the facts in that show can we take as accurate? we're also dealing with good information disappearing from web searches. items from 1998 are few and far between (other than was heroic ws'ers have archived) and really there is a lot less information available publicly than i'd expect for a fourteen year old missing persons case. on top of that there are so many well meaning people on ws and out in the world who relay information that makes me scratch my head because it doesn't make any sense. i agree with whoever said to be productive at this point we'd need to take it off ws - what we really need is a giant corkboard where we can pin all of the articles and information and really see the whole case. it'd help us separate fact from fiction.

To give one small example I have given before of what you say in that arguably quite crucial meeting with the two girls who saw Yellow and Amy post balcony Vanished visually follows Iva's account of two girls running frantically up to Mom and Dad whereas a supposed eye witness Chris Fenwick sees the two girls talking to a young man then the young man runs and gets the parents with another man (FBI? the boss?) AND someone who appears to be with Royal Caribbean - and the girls "stroll" they don't rush up frantic - but Vanished understandably went with the version of the person interviewed probably didn't even know about Chris. And Chris adds the exact time 3 a.m. and actually says he was intrigued the meeting was happening at that hour.

 

[Sapphire]

There were contradictions posted on this case. Pointing out those contradictions imo is important bc it helps us to stick with facts informed via the Bradleys themselves through media interviews as well as the legal docs accessible.

It's also important to note that we are led to believe the FBI/Interpol haven't shared everything with the Bradleys. If this is true (& I personally have no reason to doubt that), then maybe they have a reason. I don't buy into that "no jurisdiction" stuff. If there's an American held captive anywhere in the world, if our govt wants to they'll go in & rescue that person. Period. So if the FBI/Interpol haven't shared certain info with the Bradleys then I suspect they have a damn good reason.

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The FBI has not called the Bradleys since the initial search for their daughter, offering an ominous warning to American taxpayers expecting assistance from federal officials.

Iva Bradley told Abrams that "Venezuela, on a good day from Curacao or Aruba, is in sight. We have been told by investigators, there are boats incoming. They come and go freely...there is a tremendous drug trade...so we&#8217;re putting our families and our children in danger, and because they [United States government] say they have no jurisdiction, it hurt us terribly, and it hurt Amy. And we&#8217;re not gotten the help that we need."

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http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=2285&page=2





Here's two snippets from an article about jurisdication and cruise lines.

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The congressional hearings were convened largely to investigate one question: Who has legal jurisdiction when a crime is committed or an accident occurs aboard a cruise ship? Because these vessels sail in international waters and fly the flags of countries such as the Bahamas, Liberia, and Panama, the answer is not a simple one. "Seven countries can potentially be involved in one incident," says Representative Christopher Shays (R&#8211;Conn.). "Cruise lines are largely self-policing, so when a disappearance or a felony occurs, we need requirements to ensure that we learn about it." Indeed, confusion over jurisdiction was underscored at the December hearings, when FBI assistant director Chris Swecker testified that he didn't know whether cruise lines were legally obliged to report missing Americans to the FBI. In fact, any ship that stops at a U.S. port during a cruise must report major crimes such as murders and rapes, as well as missing persons, to U.S. authorities, including the FBI. The same is true on the high seas, even on ships that do not stop at U.S. ports (unless the U.S. has a treaty with the country under which the ship is flagged that dictates otherwise). But cruise ships that don't serve a United States port and are sailing in the territorial waters of another country have no obligation to inform U.S. authorities of crimes or disappearances involving Americans (see "The Consumer's Ship Comes In").

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The cruise lines, for their part, adamantly deny allegations that they conceal possible crimes from American authorities. Michael Crye, president of the International Council of Cruise Lines (ICCL), cites the George Smith disappearance as proof that the industry makes every effort to aid investigators: When Smith vanished on a Mediterranean cruise, Royal Caribbean immediately notified the FBI, even though it was not legally required to do so since the ship called on no U.S. ports and was in Turkish waters when Smith was discovered missing. (In a legal protocol similar to that for crimes committed against an American in a foreign country, the FBI is often permitted to investigate cases even when it has no jurisdiction. "It's like the Natalee Holloway case," says Kodak. "We have no jurisdiction except what Aruba gave us.") Following Smith's disappearance, Royal Caribbean also contacted Turkish, Greek, and Bahamian authorities (the ship was registered in the Bahamas), and no evidence has emerged to suggest that crew members did anything but cooperate fully with all of the legal entities.

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http://www.cntraveler.com/travel-tips/safety-and-security/2006/07/Cruise-Control

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I know, it truly sucks Sapphire. What I meant by "I'm not buying that no jurisdiction crap" is that if the government really wants to help rescue an American kidnapped in an area they don't have jurisdiction, they'll get special teams involved & get her the heck outta there. So, IMO, it's not bc of jurisdiction that they didn't perform any kind of covert operation of rescue. It's bs. An American citizen went missing, is still missing, and they're not closer today than what they were 14 years ago in rescuing her.

& it really pees me off.

I do think it is possible its bc the disappearance of Amy could actually be much bigger than they could have anticipated. & I still think its a possibility it's related to organized crime, an international multi jurisdictional crime syndicate. MHO.

& I believe it's for that reason the FBI haven't told the Bradleys the most simplest pieces of info - like the webmaster linked with the picture if Amy - unless that's not his real name. There's sooooo many aliases and its now 100% obvious that what was once thought as fact is in fact fiction when it comes to the dynamic of the people behind the scenes of those *advertiser censored* escort sites. So, if some of us can dig up this crap, why haven't the Bradleys been given any of this same info from their tech savvy investigators? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The FBI in the Caribbean has not always been good in responding with tips and witness sightings. If anyone has any information, please contact the Bradleys at teamamy@hotmail.com.

This was provided multiple times throughout these threads and its invalid. When did it go invalid & start kicking back emails?

Hotmail. Free email. Unsecured & easily hackable IMO.

Ask the owners & mods why you can't use a free mail account such as yahoo, hotmail, etc to set up your account here. It's bc of the spam risk. Plus, having a more secured email officially linked with your residence or paid account has a much more secure server.

 

[Wondergirl]

The Bradley family might consider presenting the case to Vidocq .. they investigate disappearances as well as murders. I recall that some of the criterion used to be that the case must be more than 2 years old and the victim not associated with high-risk behaviour. Not sure what their caseload is, but IMO, Amy's case certainly fits into those categories.

Havent' had time to review it, but here's the website:

http://www.vidocq.org/who.html

Conspicuous by its absence is "how to submit a case". I guess they want us to sleuth that out :waitasec:

Thanks for the link, SB.

What an amazing service. Incredible.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I mean , the only thing that's fact (IMO) in this case is that nothing is "fact".

I honestly can't find one concrete statement about this missing persons case besides that ALB went on a cruise and didn't come back ...

I would like the mods to shed light on the verified poster , and if the posts made are still demed verified ?

This is the only case I've seen where we don't really have any facts , or statements made without contradiction ...

14 years is a loooong time ,

I feel if any information is good information at this point , if Amy is indeed known to be alive and in distress ... But putting first/last names of POI's that haven't officially been named , along with countless details of events that contradict each other (IMO) isn't right , and could possibly put some people in danger.

ITA,

The verified poster at one point said the copy of Amy dancing was given to a coworker of Ron, then in another post it was given to a ship employee. I asked about age progression and the verified poster said it wasn't necessary bc the image of Amy with the wild hair was accurate. Which doesn't make sense bc an age progression could show Amy with different "looks" and would be helpful. Then later on the verified poster thought age progressions would be helpful. The images of Amy on the escort site IMO may not be Amy. Nose profiles do not match. FA said in one post the FBI verified these pics were Amy. Yet we are told the FBI hasn't had any contact with the family. FA also states the FBI never comments on active cases, which just isn't true.

FA is probably getting info 2nd hand but......still. Something just isn't adding up and never has in my opinion with this case.

 

[neesaki]

This was provided multiple times throughout these threads and its invalid. When did it go invalid & start kicking back emails?

Hotmail. Free email. Unsecured & easily hackable IMO.

Ask the owners & mods why you can't use a free mail account such as yahoo, hotmail, etc to set up your account here. It's bc of the spam risk. Plus, having a more secured email officially linked with your residence or paid account has a much more secure server.

Not only that, but when I go to the amybradley.net website, this same email link does not work there either.

 

[chicagofa13]

I know, it truly sucks Sapphire. What I meant by "I'm not buying that no jurisdiction crap" is that if the government really wants to help rescue an American kidnapped in an area they don't have jurisdiction, they'll get special teams involved & get her the heck outta there. So, IMO, it's not bc of jurisdiction that they didn't perform any kind of covert operation of rescue. It's bs. An American citizen went missing, is still missing, and they're not closer today than what they were 14 years ago in rescuing her.

& it really pees me off.

I do think it is possible its bc the disappearance of Amy could actually be much bigger than they could have anticipated. & I still think its a possibility it's related to organized crime, an international multi jurisdictional crime syndicate. MHO.

& I believe it's for that reason the FBI haven't told the Bradleys the most simplest pieces of info - like the webmaster linked with the picture if Amy - unless that's not his real name. There's sooooo many aliases and its now 100% obvious that what was once thought as fact is in fact fiction when it comes to the dynamic of the people behind the scenes of those *advertiser censored* escort sites. So, if some of us can dig up this crap, why haven't the Bradleys been given any of this same info from their tech savvy investigators? It doesn't make sense.

That is exactly what I was saying when I posted about Amy not being a high-value target for the US gov. When they want someone, they go get them. It might take awhile, but they get it done. Covert ops, special ops, CIA, spooks, you name it. But for this missing American in curacao? Nope.

 

[danzn16]

Wow these nonfunctional email addresses are really sad. That is the only way a local would ever be able to get in touch with the family and it doesnt work. I wonder if it would have worked a few weeks ago when the verified insider was posting? Or if thats related?

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[Wondergirl]

Wow these nonfunctional email addresses are really sad. That is the only way a local would ever be able to get in touch with the family and it doesnt work. I wonder if it would have worked a few weeks ago when the verified insider was posting? Or if thats related?

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How do the Bradley's get their tips if the email isn't working?

I don't think they would be happy to know that people are trying to send them tips and they aren't even getting them. Wow. What's up with that?

 

[SoSueMe]

Folks, I don't know what the problem is with the email address. Let me try to verify it and I'll get back to you.

 

[SoSueMe]

We're seeing a lot of complaints about the sleuthing parameters for this case. It's really not that big of a deal folks. There are two avenues which we feel would be a waste of your valuable time:



1. Overboard theory. Amy was seen on the ship after her father saw her on the balcony. There have also been credible, validated sightings of Amy over the years. If you are of the opinion that Amy went overboard, why would you be on this thread? What would be left to sleuth? If you are of this opinion, we respectfully ask that you move on to another case.

2. Scientology theory. The Scientology theory was thoroughly investigated by the authorities and dismissed. The Bradleys' pursued this avenue extensively early in the investigation and it was a dead end. As I have previously explained, although we have no allegiance to Scientology, we don't think it is fair to this group to sleuth them and try to tie them to this case when they have been cleared of any wrongdoing.



Our verified member, FindAmy came on this site to correct some of the rumors found on other websites and blogs. It was a rare opportunity for us to have someone close to the case set the record straight. Within the first thread of the Amy Bradley case FindAmy addresses many of the rumors and misinsformation yet members keep trying to refer back to them.

FindAmy indicated that it would be helpful to locate the owners of the escort site that posted Amy's pictures. You are not forced to pursue this avenue, as it was a suggestion as to what might be helpful to the case. We have not declared the owners of that site as persons of interest (POI), we'd simply like to know how they came to possess the pictures of Amy.

To answer an earlier question, we do stand by our verification of FindAmy and we are thankful for their contributions to this discussion and more so, in their attempt to put to rest the many rumors surrounding the disappearance of Amy Bradley.



If you are frustrated with this case, which is very understandable and is certainly the norm with most 14-year old cases on WS, we suggest that maybe it's time to move on to another case (no announcements needed).

 

[smile22]

this is the contact info from the facebook site help find amy bradley


Contact Information
Hot Line +(804) 276 2204
Fax +(804) 745 6133
Primary E-mail TeamAmy@hotmail.com
WeTip http://www.wetip.com/
URL @ FBI http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/kidnap/current/bradley.htm

 

[Cazzie]

Are Hotmail email addies case-sensitive? (teamamy@hotmail.com as posted here giving error message, vs. TeamAmy@hotmail.com as posted on the FB just linked in previous post)

 

[ChateauMarmont]

I know, it truly sucks Sapphire. What I meant by "I'm not buying that no jurisdiction crap" is that if the government really wants to help rescue an American kidnapped in an area they don't have jurisdiction, they'll get special teams involved & get her the heck outta there. So, IMO, it's not bc of jurisdiction that they didn't perform any kind of covert operation of rescue. It's bs. An American citizen went missing, is still missing, and they're not closer today than what they were 14 years ago in rescuing her.

& it really pees me off.

I do think it is possible its bc the disappearance of Amy could actually be much bigger than they could have anticipated. & I still think its a possibility it's related to organized crime, an international multi jurisdictional crime syndicate. MHO.

& I believe it's for that reason the FBI haven't told the Bradleys the most simplest pieces of info - like the webmaster linked with the picture if Amy - unless that's not his real name. There's sooooo many aliases and its now 100% obvious that what was once thought as fact is in fact fiction when it comes to the dynamic of the people behind the scenes of those *advertiser censored* escort sites. So, if some of us can dig up this crap, why haven't the Bradleys been given any of this same info from their tech savvy investigators? It doesn't make sense.

(IIRC) Our (Verified Poster) stated he/she felt that organized crime is not involved.

 

[ChateauMarmont]

As I've stated nuemerous times ...

That email has not worked , and I posted this last month.

 

[Cazzie]

Yes, I know. I was wondering if it was a case-sensitivity issue, since all the posts I read about errors with the email addy showed all lowercase, and the FB info had "TeamAmy"..