VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[danzn16]

If Amy lost any teeth either to violence or lack of dentistry, that could somewhat alter facial structure. Also, ear piercing that have become horribly infected due to negligence or ripped out - could change the appearance of ears.

Facial structure is similar which is why it is so hard to tell if its Amy. If ear piercings were infected or scarred if it changed the lobe shape at all, it would increase the lobe width due to scar tissue, not make it smaller. I guess unless you think part of the lobe had been removed but I see no evidence of that

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[danzn16]

If someones life may be endangered by what we post, why is there an Amy Bradley thread

The only thing we can discuss is what has already been released to the public. The rest? We don't know

Its speculation and opinion, thats what most of the discussions on threads are about
Asking questions and getting input from other posters

Free thinking

I appreciate that there are certain subjects that shouldn't be discussed

I agree. Thats what I was getting at with my previous post. Then why have an Amy thread? and why have a verified insider to make that thread active and have people renew sleuthing?

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[ChateauMarmont]

In "Vanished" ... the woman's story about Amy in a bathroom said she heard her "captors" say "this is my deal that's going down" (iirc)

Is it possible ... that for some reason we don't know ... that Amy was possibly offered a "new life" , or a "big opportunity" ??

Iirc not much was said about Amy's upbringing -- could there have been family problems / personal issues that may have caused her to willingly leave her family ?

I am thinking we need to think about every angle about this case. I appreciate FA's posts , but they're are so many questions that are unanswered ...

I posted the court information about 2 pages back ... I feel that the court documents in Miami may tell us a little more. I find it hard that a USA judge made such a "strict" ruling -- without a "good reason."

Also , protective orders were filed (by the family)... But from whom ? If a protective order request is made , then the courts know who the Bradley's were we're seeking protection from ...

I think the lawsuit is public record , and for a fee (I think) it's viewable ... I just can't see a USA judge making a ruling with prejudice against a family with a missing daughter without good reason ...

Edit : Case Summary Link

http://web.archive.org/web/20071226...se_Code=CA&pCase_Loc=01&id=AAAA8tAAHAAAPq8AAE

 

[danzn16]

Here are some key things to me, from Part III.

I am really questioning if Amy knew that the Illinois Mutual Trip was an annual one, and I am wondering if Amy was trying to get to San Franscisco in the hopes that her family or someone from the Insurance Company might see her?

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At 6 a.m. on Wednesday, 24 hours after Amy disappeared, authorities on Curacao began the first full day of sea-and-air searches for Amy. Three helicopters, a British warship, a low-flying radar plane and numerous cargo ships, tugboats and fishing boats scoured the sea and coast for the next two days, finding no sign of her.
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The ordeal has changed the Bradley family. Iva and Ron always look tired. Brad transferred from GMU to Virginia Commonwealth University and moved back home. Though Ron won the Illinois Mutual trip again this year, they didn't go. (It's a trip to San Francisco.
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He says the FBI told Royal Caribbean that a table with Amy's footprints on it was found pushed against the railings with Amy's shoes atop it. He also says that Amy was heard to say to someone onboard that a great way to get attention would be to jump overboard and swim to shore.

Iva Bradley says Steck's statement about the table is a lie. The FBI has told her that Amy's footprints were never found on it, she says. Furthermore, the Bradley family all say the table was actually three feet from the railing. An FBI spokesperson denied that any representative of the FBI would have told Royal Caribbean anything about evidence in the case, though they wouldn't confirm that Amy's footprints were not found on the table. (Questioned later, Steck says he "may have leapt to a conclusion." He maintains that the FBI told the cruise line a footprint was found on the table but says he's not sure if it was Amy's.)

The Bradleys are adamant that Amy didn't jump. She wasn't suicidal and she wasn't stupid, they say, and she was afraid of the ocean. As for any shoes being left in the room or on the balcony, Amy packed at least 10 pair, they say, and they're not sure which are missing.
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Royal Caribbean says none of its 40 video monitors that night were linked to videotape and none of the guards recalls seeing Amy. There are electronic records of Amy using her key card to enter the room at 3:40 a.m. Tuesday but, her brother Brad says, "because the [ship's] lock-link [system] does not record when a passenger exits the room, there is no record of what time Amy left the room."

http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/part-iii/Content?oid=1383740

We were told by the verified insider that the waiter was the one that said "sorry to hear about your sister". On Vanished Brad says on video tape it was Yellow also and now here on this article it says Yellow as well. I wonder why the discrepancy. And which one is true! I think that is very important which man would say sorry in advance before anyone else knew about Amy's disapperance

 

[danzn16]

Here are some key things to me, from Part III.

I am really questioning if Amy knew that the Illinois Mutual Trip was an annual one, and I am wondering if Amy was trying to get to San Franscisco in the hopes that her family or someone from the Insurance Company might see her?


http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/part-iii/Content?oid=1383740

Excellent idea about San Fran and the trip. Poor Amy.

 

[Ashfox]

If it was the waiter that said it then I without a doubt think hes the same person in the side by side photo

 

[Jersey*Girl]

From Bree ...

http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/part-iii/Content?oid=1383740

"She had her driver's license in her pocket and it could have conceivably been used to clear her through U.S. Customs in San Juan, but the exit records at U.S. Customs for Rhapsody of the Seas passengers for March 28th are missing, according to the Bradley lawyers, who tried to get them through a federal Freedom of Information Act request."

Is that just too convenient or is it just me?

And, IMO, if this is true, she would have had her driver's license with her because she was still wearing the clothes she had worn to the limbo contest and then to the disco with Brad. Not sure about the limbo contest, but (speculating) she would have needed ID to enter the disco.

ETA: original poster's name

Good morning Jaime!

Yeah, I agree... Have to post real quick bc busy day but wanted to skim over updates before heading out. I thought this was very interesting in light of what I posted soon after coming to Amy's threads... Do you remember a post I made about Royal Caribbean being sued by the US bc of fudging their records of waste contaminants in their books? This had something to do with when they come into customs or various ports, I believe the US govt focussed on their Miami docking books in the suit (not sure) but the US won & Royal Carib had to pay out millions $$$. I stated if they can doctor those books so easily then they can do other shady things as well. I can't look right now but if somebody would be so kind as to search certain types of suits, it might be interesting to compare what was going on with Royal Carib financially for maybe a 5 year period surrounding Amy's disappearance. Human Trafficking is the 2nd highest grossing underworld business in the entire world and it's extremely easy to launder that money. I'm not saying RC is involved, I'm only suggesting its worth looking into...

There's a reason these people hid everything pertaining to Amy from the public. I aim to find that reason.

Jaime, you're good at digging up stuff too - look at San Juan, then the Dominican - then Cuba. There's ALOT of stuff that gets hidden in San Juan due to trafficking of people as well as drugs. San Juan has long been a jumping point for alot of illegal trafficking (related to the Dominican & Cuba) for years bc of the huge payout from the Dominican & Cuba. US cant travel to Cuba (but most other countries can) but they can to the Dominican. Trafficking in Cuba is their #1 $ maker for medium to low income persons. They are a repressed land. In the Dominican, papers can be drawn up illegally then pushed into Cuba & elsewhere. I know Cuba hasn't come up in this case, I'm only using it as an example. Using San Juan as a jumping point is part of the key IMO.

The more high profile a suspected trafficked missing person gets, the more money some freaks would pay for that person. They get off on the game of risk. It's sick & twisted. This is why I do believe she could still be alive...bc I haven't seen any proof that she's dead.

If she was taken by a group for other reasons than being trafficked, then she has an even greater chance of being alive considering terrorism isn't even a thought here, and she wasn't a drug dealer, and she wasn't in a gang, etc.

Still looking at all of these companies linked with aav... There's a lot.


Post 827 was supposed to look like this. Hope there was no confusion.

 

[dotr]

Crazy thought along the lines of - [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Stain"]The Human Stain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Any chance Y could be the red-haired, bearded man seen with Amy by witness?
Both have ears close to the skull, and what looks like "groomed and shaped" eyebrows. Assuming A.D. is (partly) of Celtic extraction, perhaps if he grew facial hair it could be reddish.

 

[Cltguy49]

If Amy was trying to get to San Fran to get home how did she convince them to take her there? That wouldn't make any sense unless her captors knew when the Annual Trip was.

Thinking out loud here.......Could this have been set up BEFORE the cruise? Does anyone know if Amy had made contact with people via myspace or facebook about her upcoming cruise and start this in motion. The reason I ask this is I believe the intial plan was to take her in Aruba and that failed. I also recall something about Amy initially not being so excited about going. I haven't read all the threads from beginning to end, did Amy have a PC or Laptop? I know she has a facebook page now but in 1998 facebook wasn't "the" social network site, I believe myspace was. Has anyone looked at any of her "friends" to see if they were located out of the country?

Perhaps she was on Friendfinder and maybe THAT could be connection to AdultFriendFinder??

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Wondergirl, totally agree re your:

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[Jersey*Girl]

An important quote to remember, I think:

Iva Bradley says she will not publicly release many details of the latest sighting or her future plans for fear of tipping off Amy's presumed captor and thereby endangering her or making finding her more difficult. "We're kind of caught" between wanting to raise awareness — and funds for the expedition — and risking disaster. "Our main objective is to keep Amy safe."

http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond...litary-operation-to-bring/Content?oid=1384781

Worth repeating. I understand now why certain angles can't be posted or officially investigated on here. I get it now.

Please don't anybody quote me in this post.

Does anybody have a full list of all agencies involved in Amy's disappearance, possibly also including persons in charge of each division...phone numbers & emails as well?

 

[ChateauMarmont]

If Amy was trying to get to San Fran to get home how did she convince them to take her there? That wouldn't make any sense unless her captors knew when the Annual Trip was.

Thinking out loud here.......Could this have been set up BEFORE the cruise? Does anyone know if Amy had made contact with people via myspace or facebook about her upcoming cruise and start this in motion. The reason I ask this is I believe the intial plan was to take her in Aruba and that failed. I also recall something about Amy initially not being so excited about going. I haven't read all the threads from beginning to end, did Amy have a PC or Laptop? I know she has a facebook page now but in 1998 facebook wasn't "the" social network site, I believe myspace was. Has anyone looked at any of her "friends" to see if they were located out of the country?

Perhaps she was on Friendfinder and maybe THAT could be connection to AdultFriendFinder??

Besides AOL ... Social Networking didn't exist. (Facebook didn't , and MySpace didn't get popular until around 2003-4)

 

[ChateauMarmont]

I DO believe AFF was popular in 1998 IIRC.

 

[Cltguy49]

You are correct, I just googled that. Friend Finder was launched in 1996, AFF came about shortly there after. I guess I'm curious to know if she was a member of friendfinder.com, not Adultfriendfinder. That could be the link between Amy and AFF.

I DO believe AFF was popular in 1998 IIRC.

 

[Cltguy49]

Here is a picture I found of Amy with her brother, there is a waiter in the background, the picture is dark. Can anyone lighten it so we can get a better view of the people in the background?

http://www.ctsi.net/amy/pics.html#More Photos of Amy

 

[Cltguy49]

The attached is a long article but there is a picture that I don't believe any of us have seen before, it's of Amy going up the stairs, not sure if it's with her brother or someone else. For some reason I can't see all the pictures but this one I could see. Worth taking a look. it's about half way through the article, the man is wearing a maroon shirt and black pants.

http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amybradley&action=print&thread=65

 

[nosyone]

I am posting the compilation video on YouTube to ask websleuthers to watch the video and at 2:06 and 2:07 you will see a man standing against the wall and then, at what seems to me, a motion from Yellow, he walks by them. I mentioned this in the 1st thread but wanted to present the video to see what others think.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqzW5QNmxk4"]Amy Bradley - Compilation - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Tabs1]

My question is, if the taxi driver was astute enough to describe the abductor as having cowboy boots, wouldn't he especially notice if Amy was barefooted?

The 'cowboy boots' sighting was in Puerto Rico. My understanding is that the witness was *not* the taxi driver.

A taxi driver from Curacao did come forward claiming that Amy approached him asking for a phone, the morning that she went missing. I gather this sighting was not verified.

FINDAMY said the Puerto Rico sighting was discounted and she noted Amy would have been barefoot which the witness did not mention. However, perhaps her captor made Amy put shoes on if he knew he was going to be making her walk through the San Juan terminal at Puerto Rico, which is where the witness said he saw her being forced into a taxi.

 

[Sapphire]

The attached is a long article but there is a picture that I don't believe any of us have seen before, it's of Amy going up the stairs, not sure if it's with her brother or someone else. For some reason I can't see all the pictures but this one I could see. Worth taking a look. it's about half way through the article, the man is wearing a maroon shirt and black pants.

http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amybradley&action=print&thread=65

I believe that is an actor and actress who played Amy and Yellow in one of the programs made about Amy's disappearance.

 

[neesaki]

The attached is a long article but there is a picture that I don't believe any of us have seen before, it's of Amy going up the stairs, not sure if it's with her brother or someone else. For some reason I can't see all the pictures but this one I could see. Worth taking a look. it's about half way through the article, the man is wearing a maroon shirt and black pants.

http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amybradley&action=print&thread=65

Thanks for this link, Cltguy, something I haven't seen before.

Re: whether or not the photo from the escort website is Amy and the difference in the appearance of her ears, I found this interesting. It is down the page a bit under the date November 18, 2005:

http://25missingpersons.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=amybradley&action=print&thread=65
"...Amy's parents have looked at the photo, shown on "Dr. Phil," and other photos of this same woman and believe she bears a strong resemblance to Amy. "

Her mother pointed to facial markings, teeth, and cheek bones as similarities.

The ear does not appear to be the same but it may be that hair covers the bottom right of the ear in the brothel photo. There is not enough resolution in the brothel picture to compare it to the known picture of Amy. Eye color would not be an acceptable comparison with no standard for the different sources of that color in the prints.

The human ear does not change. This fact has been used to identify WWII prison camp guards.