Identified! VA - Carroll Co., WhtMale, 4-7, UP99035, Winnie The Pooh Blanket, Sep'22 *Logan Nathaniel Bowman*

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victoriarobinson642 said:
If he's ruled out, I assume they have a good reason for it.
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We've seen false rule outs before tho.
Sharon lee galagos comes to mind.

Chances are the rule out is accurate. Im just saying theres always a chance its not, especially where as they dont appear to have a full dna profile done, considering they haven't determined sex yet.

But overall i do agree with you
 
They may have ruled out Logan based on DNA from THE VA DNA bank, containing family DNA. Moo




Virginia’s DNA data bank, first established in 1989, currently consists of (i) a database of DNA profiles developed from
samples provided by persons convicted of certain criminal offenses, (ii) a database of DNA profiles developed from
samples provided by persons arrested for the commission or attempted commission of certain violent felonies or other
specified crimes, (iii) a database of DNA profiles from unidentified human remains, (iv) a database of DNA profiles
from missing persons, (v) a database of DNA profiles from individuals who are registered with the Virginia Sex
Offender and Crimes Against Minors Registry and (vi) a database of DNA profiles developed from crime scene
evidence. The databases together form the Virginia DNA data bank.
 
Virginia, imoo, is a leader in DNA. We have three top Universities providing degrees/research, two body farms, and the first in nation to develop a state DNA data base. Quantico is in our front yard.

Moo ..Logan's Family DNA would be the first, most logical choice. I have faith they will identify the remains.

Five Most Innovative University Forensics Labs in the U.S.


DFS has always been at the forefront of forensic innovation in Virginia, especially in DNA forensics. The organization was the first state laboratory to offer DNA analysis to law enforcement, the first to create a DNA databank of convicted sex offenders, and an early adopter of recording DNA samples from felony arrestees. Over time, they added the capability for familial search through the DNA databank and have racked up tens of thousands of “hits” dating back to long before such practice entered the mainstream.
 
Now I wonder… between the article saying that they are awaiting “additional” DNA testing and LE talking to Logan’s father, could it be possible that the “rule out” was because the remains did not match dad’s DNA and now they are testing mom/her family in case the dad was not actually bio father?
 
RememberingRyan said:
Now I wonder… between the article saying that they are awaiting “additional” DNA testing and LE talking to Logan’s father, could it be possible that the “rule out” was because the remains did not match dad’s DNA and now they are testing mom/her family in case the dad was not actually bio father?
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I'm sure mom's DNA is in the VA State DNA bank. She was convinced of several charges State has for all criminals.
Moo
 
RememberingRyan said:
Now I wonder… between the article saying that they are awaiting “additional” DNA testing and LE talking to Logan’s father, could it be possible that the “rule out” was because the remains did not match dad’s DNA and now they are testing mom/her family in case the dad was not actually bio father?
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The article came out prior to the rule out being made, just for context.

The dna testing they mentioned, may have been the cause of the rule out
 
My fiancé is actually from Fancy Gap, and sadly no one talks about this case. One thing I want to chime in is don’t read to much into dating the blanket…the area, we’ll get entire county, is very poor and very ravished with drugs. Majority of the population shops at goodwill and places like that, so it’s not uncommon to see clothing or goods that are from the 1990-2000s.

Have they ever described the barrel the child was found in? Was it like a Metal Barrel? They are commonly used around the area for burning trash.

One more thing for note, the intersection at the end of the road (going off maps of where the body was found) has a truck stop at it, and the truck stop connects to interstate 77. So could very well of easily been someone from out of state.
 
crazyrabbitlady said:
My fiancé is actually from Fancy Gap, and sadly no one talks about this case. One thing I want to chime in is don’t read to much into dating the blanket…the area, we’ll get entire county, is very poor and very ravished with drugs. Majority of the population shops at goodwill and places like that, so it’s not uncommon to see clothing or goods that are from the 1990-2000s.

Have they ever described the barrel the child was found in? Was it like a Metal Barrel? They are commonly used around the area for burning trash.

One more thing for note, the intersection at the end of the road (going off maps of where the body was found) has a truck stop at it, and the truck stop connects to interstate 77. So could very well of easily been someone from out of state.
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Thank you so much for the insight, it is immensely helpful!

I believe the phrase 'trash can' was used, though the material of which it was made of wasn't specified.

Ill keep digging for more matches, im hoping we get more info soon, now that NCMEC is involved.
 
crazyrabbitlady said:
My fiancé is actually from Fancy Gap, and sadly no one talks about this case. One thing I want to chime in is don’t read to much into dating the blanket…the area, we’ll get entire county, is very poor and very ravished with drugs. Majority of the population shops at goodwill and places like that, so it’s not uncommon to see clothing or goods that are from the 1990-2000s.

Have they ever described the barrel the child was found in? Was it like a Metal Barrel? They are commonly used around the area for burning trash.

One more thing for note, the intersection at the end of the road (going off maps of where the body was found) has a truck stop at it, and the truck stop connects to interstate 77. So could very well of easily been someone from out of state.
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Yeah, I think all we can get from the blanket is a 'no earlier than' date for disposal. I have never been wealthy (HAH) and have several times in the past, bought manchester from charity shops. I have seen sheets and blankets in there for sale, in good condition but probably from the '70s or '80s, likely cleared out and donated from someone's linen closet after they went into a care home or passed away. And items for very small children go through many homes. I don't have kids myself, but my brother does, my friend from high school does. I went 'op shopping' with my friend when my nephew was six months old (he's now a teenager) and she bluntly told me clothes for kids and babies were too expensive new, they grew out of them too quickly, so every couple of months she'd donate all the stuff he'd grown out of to St Vinnies and buy things from there in the size he needed, then do it all over again a few months later. A baby blanket like that could have gone through half a dozen families in the same way.

MOO
 
iamshadow21 said:
Yeah, I think all we can get from the blanket is a 'no earlier than' date for disposal. I have never been wealthy (HAH) and have several times in the past, bought manchester from charity shops. I have seen sheets and blankets in there for sale, in good condition but probably from the '70s or '80s, likely cleared out and donated from someone's linen closet after they went into a care home or passed away. And items for very small children go through many homes. I don't have kids myself, but my brother does, my friend from high school does. I went 'op shopping' with my friend when my nephew was six months old (he's now a teenager) and she bluntly told me clothes for kids and babies were too expensive new, they grew out of them too quickly, so every couple of months she'd donate all the stuff he'd grown out of to St Vinnies and buy things from there in the size he needed, then do it all over again a few months later. A baby blanket like that could have gone through half a dozen families in the same way.

MOO
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Exactly. I would definitely rely more on what the medical examiner gave as a date than necessarily trying to date the blanket.

Also I don’t remember seeing any mention of clothing or clothing scraps, so is it safe to say that the child was nude wrapped in the blanket and sleeping bag? I would imagine if the blanket was intact SOME clothing scraps would have been found, but that’s MOO.
 
crazyrabbitlady said:
Exactly. I would definitely rely more on what the medical examiner gave as a date than necessarily trying to date the blanket.

Also I don’t remember seeing any mention of clothing or clothing scraps, so is it safe to say that the child was nude wrapped in the blanket and sleeping bag? I would imagine if the blanket was intact SOME clothing scraps would have been found, but that’s MOO.
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Namus mentions
fragment of orange/pink cloth
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John/Jane Doe said:
Joe Clyde Daniels?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.
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That's a long way to dispose of a child. I've done the 77/ 81 FROM VA/40 W to TN. Long drive, lots of rural places to leave a body.

The body was just miles from the interstate 77N/S. What about missing from PA, WVA, western NC/TN/SC. I'm leading to a southern NC town, the blanket was made in Western NC, Black MT/Ashville area. Back in the day, employees could purchase products at a discount or factory seconds from the local mill.

All my opinion
 
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