VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #12

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savoiadilucania said:
Hannah is no longer with us. The quicker we dispense with that, the quicker we charge this guy and move on.
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I tend to agree, but you never know. In addition, your response does not adequately address the second reason I stated for the urgency (blah blah blah).
 
mirv22 said:
Is there confirmation anywhere that there was mud that they were specifically looking into or is it just speculation?
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Oh, I don't know. I can't keep up, so I just pick a page and add my $0.02 to whatever sounds interesting. I'm not even sure there was mud on the car, so I'm just speculating...
 
eddy said:
At the risk of pissing everyone off I missed why so many are upset about the gloves. I posted an excerpt where a search team had found a purple glove. Next time I checked in and couldn't keep up people were mad about talking about gloves, or so it seemed. It was my thought that if JM was involved or even had a history of this stuff he may use gloves for obvious reasons. We know he had easy access to them. I have taken home many gloves in my pockets from work. I have been avoiding asking this because it seems like some people want to censor discussion to only what they think is relavant. I think that's counterproductive. Yes, some stuff we discuss makes me roll my eyes too but nontheless I respect it. You never know what topic, even irrelevant could trigger someone else to something significant right?
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I don't think anyone was mad (well, I can't speak for everyone, but that wasn't the sense I got).

Let me see if I can produce minutes:

1) Some people observed that LE had walked out of the house with boxes of gloves when they executed yesterday's search warrant.
2) Some people got excited and thought they might be evidence that JM was committing lots of crimes for which boxes of gloves were needed.
3) Some pointed out that they were a different color from the ones found by the searchers.
4) One sleuther conducted extensive experiments on her black gloves under different lighting and conditions to determine if they could be construed as purple. They could not.
5) Lots of people of both gender pointed out the usefulness of such gloves and were offended by the idea that the gloves in their homes could be construed as suspicious.
6) Others pondered the significance of the fact that the gloves were visible when other items were in paper bags.
7) Most seemed to conclude that the gloves belonged to LE, not JM, but there was no poll to determine level of consensus.
 
SuperTmo said:
Oh, I don't know. I can't keep up, so I just pick a page and add my $0.02 to whatever sounds interesting. I'm not even sure there was mud on the car, so I'm just speculating...
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I TOTALLY hear ya on picking up on wherever we are in the thread and adding our two cents. My question wasn't directed toward you specifically....despite the fact that I quoted you lol ....there are a lot of "mud speculators" out there. That is why I asked the question. :)
 
LE has taken away his clothes(even shoes), his phone, his car,he could not continue work, all he has left is the clothes he is waring and Popcorn. I( am waiting for them to seize Popcorn. He has had concussions he was a football player. He could harm himself. They would do him a favor to arrest him.
 
eddy said:
At the risk of pissing everyone off I missed why so many are upset about the gloves. I posted an excerpt where a search team had found a purple glove. Next time I checked in and couldn't keep up people were mad about talking about gloves, or so it seemed. It was my thought that if JM was involved or even had a history of this stuff he may use gloves for obvious reasons. We know he had easy access to them. I have taken home many gloves in my pockets from work. I have been avoiding asking this because it seems like some people want to censor discussion to only what they think is relavant. I think that's counterproductive. Yes, some stuff we discuss makes me roll my eyes too but nontheless I respect it. You never know what topic, even irrelevant could trigger someone else to something significant right?
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I can only speak for myself, but I was laughing at myself and us as a group as to how far the gloves discussion went. None of it was personal towards you, that is for sure. The gloves were a perfectly reasonable and important piece to bring up, but I think we were beating more than a dead horse hours later, hours after we already ascertained that the gloves belonged to LE. :) I'm sorry if this made you feel upset in anyway. It sort of morphed into a joke, but no one was criticizing, IMO. We just should have moved on after we knew they were LE's gloves.
 
dda said:
Just because police expect the forensic results back today does not mean they will be released to the public today or at any point before a trial, assuming a crime has been committed, a person is charged, and a trial takes place. By way of example, very little forensic evidence was revealed to the public before the trial in the Alexis Murphy case. If there is a DNA match to othrr unsolved crimes, then I can see info being released after charges are brought in those cases. Otherwise with Hannah missing a week, I think the focus will remain on finding her and only information will be released if it assists with that goal.
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Ah yes, a voice of reason.

Charging someone with a crime is an elaborate dance, as is trying them. There's an art to disclosing just enough information in the charging documents to establish probable cause but leaving out enough information to allow the investigation to continue, even if the suspect has been remanded.
 
appleeye said:
Clearly you know something I don't. Care to elaborate?

What would happen if people decided that Elizabeth Smart was no longer with us? etc? There have been a lot of found people lately... I won't give up hope until there is proof.
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And recently Abigail Hernandez, until you have definitive proof you have to have hope. Miracles have happened.
 
Skigirl said:
I don't think anyone was mad (well, I can't speak for everyone, but that wasn't the sense I got).

Let me see if I can produce minutes:

1) Some people observed that LE had walked out of the house with boxes of gloves when they executed the search warrant.
2) Some people got excited and thought they might be evidence that JM was committing lots of crimes for which boxes of gloves were needed.
3) Some pointed out that they were a different color from the ones found by the searchers.
4) One sleuther conducted extensive experiments on her black gloves under different lighting and conditions to determine if they could be construed as purple. They could not.
5) Lots of people of both gender pointed out the usefulness of such gloves and were offended at the idea that the gloves in their homes could be construed as suspicious.
6) Others pondered the significance of the fact that the gloves were visible when other items were in paper bags.
7) Most seemed to conclude that the gloves belonged to LE, not JM, but there was no poll to determine level of consensus.
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:laughing:
 
Ok thanks. So there was no discussion as to the glove found by the search team correct?
 
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