VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #13

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Did you see the letter posted to Coy Barefoot's fb page? (I think I would be allowed to post this since he's media - but I'm not just in case it's against the rules.) It's a letter from the school where JM volunteered, saying they vetted him before bringing him on. Then they say he will not be working with the team until this case is resolved. Well, yeah, I would think not.
 
FlamingoLady said:
It's not the list of attorneys that is odd, it's taking it to the police dept and asking them to call one.
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This is why Im waiting to SEE the evidence of his guilt. If hes guilty, going to the poloce station to ask them to call an attorney for you is stupid. That he could also successfully hide a body is a stretch for me.
 
jjw said:
BBM

I think you're confused about the meaning of abduction with intent to defile. It's not just picking up women in bars and taking them home to have sex with.


In Virginia, an abduction with intent to defile charge is a criminal Class 2 felony offense punishable under Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-48.

Under Va. Code Ann. § 18.2-48 “Abduction (i) of any person with the intent to extort money or pecuniary benefit, (ii) of any person with intent to defile such person, (iii) of any child under sixteen years of age for the purpose of concubinage or prostitution, (iv) of any person for the purpose of prostitution, or (v) of any minor for the purpose of manufacturing child *advertiser censored* shall be punishable as a Class 2 felony. If the sentence imposed for a violation of (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) includes a term of confinement less than life imprisonment, the judge shall impose, in addition to any active sentence, a suspended sentence of no less than 40 years. This suspended sentence shall be suspended for the remainder of the defendant’s life subject to revocation by the court.”

jmo
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Right. Abduction means against her will and defile means to sexually assault- also against her will.
 
I do actually think LE lost him and has no clue where he is. I have never heard of a case where there was a warrant and LE knew where the person was and did not swoop in and promptly arrest the person.
 
savoiadilucania said:
Meh, I don't want to prolong this discussion but will point out that college students have been engaging in "unhealthy" behaviors for decades, even centuries. And alcohol and addiction are not inexorably linked, not even statistically.
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Right, this thread is about Hannah. I will not defend my position on the effects on society and our young loved ones here. JMO
 
jamicat said:
I would like to see her classmates tarnished by this event. They knew she was underage, they knew she was drinking, they knew she was drunk, they knew she was leaving, alone, at night, and they let her just say it' s okay. Would not have happened with my crowd, at my college, in my day. Several people would have walked with her to her home. That I can say definitively, whether the person was underage or not. Wouldn't let someone go out into the night alone. Now once that person was home, the responsitiblity ends, but absloutely would I not let someone leave MY house, drunk and alone at night on foot or by car. even someone of age to drink, even today.

Those classmates, friends, absolutely deserve to get into some trouble, get called out and get disciplinary action from the university. They broke laws serving alcohol at the place to underage people, most likely and knowingly let an underage drinker who was DRUNK by their own admisssion, leave alone at night. This should be broadcast and shown what can happen to save even one other student, person this year. Doubt even sanctions will do it for more than that. But absolutely, these people need to know that if you serve alcohol at your place and someone underage drinks it and gets into trouble you can be in trouble. WHy should these students be exempt? Because they are UVA studnets and not townies? Most of them are adults and should be so treated, plus they are likely under university rules about this. A fellow student, a friend, someone to whom they served alcohol to the point of "extreme intoxication" has disappeared and was likely beaten up, raped and killed, and they should go scot free from this? Absolutely not.
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I don’t believe I stated that UVa students should receive special treatment – where is that coming from? A majority ofUVa’s undergraduates are “underaged,” and everybody knows, including the police and the administration, that the vast majority of them are partying every weekend at the fraternity houses and house parties. Everybody also knows that alcohol flows freely to “underaged” adults at these events, and yet, no authorities take any action to stop the parties. So why stop with the fellow students? Why not go after Teresa Sullivan, the University police, and Longo and his crew for turning a blind eye to all the “underaged” drinking going on right under their noses. Further, if we are going to go after the students, why only those who are around when something bad happens? Isn’t that a little arbitrary and capricious? If adults drinking alcohol before they reach 21 is such a crime, let’s go after them all. Let’s lock them all up, that will teach them a lesson. Maybe UVa Police can raise money for a large campus jail to house all the offenders. After four years, almost all students will be able to pick up a copy of their rapsheets to go along with their diplomas.
 
ClueingForLooks said:
I couldn't agree more. I'm not American and I find the 21 yr drinking age to be completely unreasonable. If they're old enough to vote, they're old enough to drink. I'm in my late 30s and I was carded at two different places the last time I went to the US. It's silly.
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me too! and I am 42, I thought the bartender was joking or flirting with me but he was not amused!
 
jamicat said:
I would like to see her classmates tarnished by this event. They knew she was underage, they knew she was drinking, they knew she was drunk, they knew she was leaving, alone, at night, and they let her just say it' s okay. Would not have happened with my crowd, at my college, in my day. Several people would have walked with her to her home. That I can say definitively, whether the person was underage or not. Wouldn't let someone go out into the night alone. Now once that person was home, the responsitiblity ends, but absloutely would I not let someone leave MY house, drunk and alone at night on foot or by car. even someone of age to drink, even today.

Those classmates, friends, absolutely deserve to get into some trouble, get called out and get disciplinary action from the university. They broke laws serving alcohol at the place to underage people, most likely and knowingly let an underage drinker who was DRUNK by their own admisssion, leave alone at night. This should be broadcast and shown what can happen to save even one other student, person this year. Doubt even sanctions will do it for more than that. But absolutely, these people need to know that if you serve alcohol at your place and someone underage drinks it and gets into trouble you can be in trouble. WHy should these students be exempt? Because they are UVA studnets and not townies? Most of them are adults and should be so treated, plus they are likely under university rules about this. A fellow student, a friend, someone to whom they served alcohol to the point of "extreme intoxication" has disappeared and was likely beaten up, raped and killed, and they should go scot free from this? Absolutely not.
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My concern with this approach is that if the classmates are disciplined in some way, they may prevent people from speaking up or being cooperative in subsequent cases if they fear punishment. In fact, many states are taking the opposite approach because some young people have not called for help when friends have OD'd for fear of being prosecuted on drug charges. States are giving immunity to overdose witnesses who are seeking emergency help.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/overdose-immunity-bill-faces-final-vote-1.1757739

Punishing students would be counter to this effort and is a very very bad idea. IMO
 
bakerlady said:
Me neither and the comments about Hannah would probably not be attracted to him because he is black are highly offensive and just plain racist IMO.

Interaccial dating is extremely common and on the rise.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/interracial-marriage-stat_n_1280511.html
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BBM. First of all, all that JM is AA should not be in the picture at all in terms of how Hannah would view him. A lot of interracial dating, relationships going on. I've seen a lot of interracial couples in not just my area, but specifically in Charlotteville (was there a few months ago) and even more specifically at UVA. Less common, in my experience, has been town-gown relationships when it comes to non local undergraduate students, and that is the case in many of the top colleges I've known. The students do tend to stick with each other. However my close friend married a townie she met and dated while at college--she has a master's, he's got a GED and is a carpenter. 8 kids between them. I know personally of other cases where the relationship went into marriage. So it's not such an impossible situation.

However, the consensus seems to be from what I've been reading, and this is from interviews from those who know JM and saw him at Tempo that night with Hannah, was that he did not know her before that evening. More about this might come out later, but LE did come out and say that. Not definite, but no one seemed to think she was an acquaintance even from an earlier meeting.

JM was a cab driver for years, went to Liberty Universiy, coaches for a private school, works at a major medical center. He is likely to be experienced and comfortable among college students, and probably has good skills in approaching someone. A poster here came up with a sample scenario of how he might have approached her to get her comfortable, a " need some help, young lady? Lost? i used to be a cabby, work at the medical center, come over to Tempos and let's talk it over. Maybe I can help." Tempo's is hardly a dark hole, so I can see where a tired, confused, frightened, lost person would acquiese. Another drink, comforting words, and an offer of a ride with JM known to those in that place would probably allay fears. Plus, remember, she was drunk. Maybe the effect of whatever she took was wearing off, but fatigue and fear was also setting in. Didn't want security, cops to see her--they would want to see UVA id and if they could see she was drinking, she could get reported and in some trouble. Maybe she was calling friends and they were not answering calls or texts while at a party--often can't hear cell phones in such scenarios, and maybe none had cars handy and she felt it was an impositition to ask someone to come get her at that time. She had turned down an offer for an escort earlier. So JM would appear as the answer to her problem. So a quick drink, into his car right in the area, and ...well.

Personally, I find it crazy that JM did what he did when he well knew there were people at Tempo who saw her leave with Hannah, people who knew him. He had to know she had a cell phone, and she was probably texting right there and calling. He had to have lost it, or maybe was on something himself. It's not like he ran into her in a dark alley with no witnesses to place him with her. It think he made moves on her, it went all wrong, and he lost control of is temper and his strength, and he lost his mind. Makes him a very dangerous person as we know he is capable now of going over this line if it turns out he so did. It's certainly looking like it.
 
Im sorry if the pics are too big. They can be deleted if need be. Some people say the most horrendous things.
 
AddysMom: I think we're not allowed to post that, but I know it's terrible!
 
gitana1 said:
Right. Abduction means against her will and defile means to sexually assault- also against her will.
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In Virginia, Abduction does not only mean 'against her will'. I linked about that earlier. If it only meant against her will, I doubt they could have used this charge if she was seen going with him willing. (BBM)

§ 18.2-47. Abduction and kidnapping defined; punishment.

A. Any person who, by force, intimidation or deception, and without legal justification or excuse, seizes, takes, transports, detains or secretes another person with the intent to deprive such other person of his personal liberty or to withhold or conceal him from any person, authority or institution lawfully entitled to his charge, shall be deemed guilty of "abduction."

B. Any person who, by force, intimidation or deception, and without legal justification or excuse, seizes, takes, transports, detains or secretes another person with the intent to subject him to forced labor or services shall be deemed guilty of "abduction." For purposes of this subsection, the term "intimidation" shall include destroying, concealing, confiscating, withholding, or threatening to withhold a passport, immigration document, or other governmental identification or threatening to report another as being illegally present in the United States.

C. The provisions of this section shall not apply to any law-enforcement officer in the performance of his duty. The terms "abduction" and "kidnapping" shall be synonymous in this Code. Abduction for which no punishment is otherwise prescribed shall be punished as a Class 5 felony.

D. If an offense under subsection A is committed by the parent of the person abducted and punishable as contempt of court in any proceeding then pending, the offense shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor in addition to being punishable as contempt of court. However, such offense, if committed by the parent of the person abducted and punishable as contempt of court in any proceeding then pending and the person abducted is removed from the Commonwealth by the abducting parent, shall be a Class 6 felony in addition to being punishable as contempt of court.

(Code 1950, §§ 18.1-36, 18.1-37; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1979, c. 663; 1980, c. 506; 1997, c. 747; 2009, c. 662.)
 
savoiadilucania said:
Hah, Rock Creek Park is riddled with all sorts of interesting people doing bad things.
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Now someone says there's a body on the Parkway. Connecticut Ave is closed also. Listening to WTOP.

kelly ‏@KellehReyes 36s
I'm driving around DC and there's a body on rock creek pkwy and huge scene of cops.. :/
 
bakerlady said:
I do actually think LE lost him and has no clue where he is. I have never heard of a case where there was a warrant and LE knew where the person was and did not swoop in and promptly arrest the person.
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Thats what happened witht he reckless driving warrant. They were following him and didnt pull him over. They didnt even accuse him of running from the police. They could have arrested him right there, if they wanted to.
 
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