VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #13

[Amster]

I just wish someone had gone looking when she texted she was lost...or sooner. I don't know...probably too late anyway, if text times are accurate.

Yep....seems Hannah and MH had the same type of "friends"....

 

[AddysMom7610]

Now someone says there's a body on the Parkway. Connecticut Ave is closed also. Listening to WTOP.

kelly ‏@KellehReyes 36s
I'm driving around DC and there's a body on rock creek pkwy and huge scene of cops.. :/

Ohh no....

honestly at this point, its possible its JM. Or maybe thats just wishful thinking (wishful thinking in that its not Hannhah, but someone else)

 

[astridxx]

Very possible and gives some hope of finding her. This will be hard for me to post, but I am thinking that this man (JM) had to hide her rather fast. Have they also checked street drains? What about wooded areas in the middle of interstate highways?

I wonder if they've scoured as far as the abandoned Blue Ridge Sanatorium near I-64..

 

[pittie_mcclure]

This is why Im waiting to SEE the evidence of his guilt. If hes guilty, going to the poloce station to ask them to call an attorney for you is stupid. That he could also successfully hide a body is a stretch for me.

I agree with you. I would assume they have evidence to charge him but I personally will not convict a person of murder (and then to be a serial killer) because he bought her a drink. I wish he would speak to police, at this point he has To know that the police are so focused on him that the only way out might be to turn himself in - as it seems to be unavoidable he'll be in police custody at some point.

My heart is hurting for Hannah and her family regardless of how I feel about LE or JM.

 

[J Block]

I'm aware that most ppl on this forum aren't members of the Law/Legal/LE community, but it's so often I see things posted as fact, without citation, that simply aren't correct. I think often times this is some long perpetuated assumption or merely one posting "what somebody once told them." I'll preface this by stating that I've investigated 100s of "sex crimes" in my 17 year career. I've observed ppl stating "drunk sex = rape", or something to that effect multiple times. I just want to clarify a few things on that topic. I'm not posting this nor any of my opinion on the topic, because after my affidavit & criminal complaint are submitted, it's up to the magistrate/judge, following the definitions of the State's penal code to determine whether a "victim" was able to form "consent". Attached is each States' definition of "Rape", as well as their definition of "Consent." There is no Universal Law. As you can see, each state has their own definitions. Va, however leaves a lot of room for interpretation, where as several other states are much more specific when it comes to intoxication & consent.


http://relieffundforsexualassaultvictims.org/resources/sexualassaultchart_NCVLI-D.doc

Let's find Hannah.

 

[jamicat]

College students are adults. Is attempting to protect them from themselves coddling them less? Or is it coddling them more? IMHO, extending adolescence farther and farther out really does no favors to those who should be learning to be adults. Again, JMO.

Not coddling them to go after them for breaking alcohol rules I am an adult and I have had to be V-E-R-Y about alcohol in my home for some time now since I have had young adult children and their friends coming by. Some of them have been under age. Any of us would be in a lot of trouble as the responsible adults we are supposed to be, if anyof them drank at our homes, our alcohol, got drunk and then got into trouble. Has happened where people got cited. In fact, if you let someone out of your house drunk and he drives drunk, gets into a terrible accident, yes, you are highly likely to get pulled into the picutre. Doesn't even have to be a minor. So college students who are adults, yes, are subject to the same rules and sanctions if they are providing under age people alcoholic drinks and letting them out drunk.

So exempting college students from the liabilities that any other adults face when providing alcohol to minor is coddling, IMO. We all have to be careful not to give alcohol to minors when having events where alcohol is served and there are minors around. Had that issue personally not long ago with a big get together. Beers, BBQ, food and I was watching that beer cooler because there were college kids and some high schoolers in the mix, all told hands off, but still had to watch. FOrtunate that the college kids were almost all 21. But yes, this is an issue for all of us adult and why should the college students be exempt? Hannah's friends knew she was not 21, knew she was drinking alcohol, knew she was drunk, Knew she was leaving after dark, a female , alone. yes, I see culpability here. Not , "oh well, she was an adult, too bad".

want to add that the report that a fellow student, guest at that event who offered to accompany Hannah from there, seems to indicate she was going home, which was very close to that place, not to some other locale, which was, in fact, where she was headed. Really, instead of offering, you just go with someone who is drunk, saying, "i'm leaving too" and walk with them, not make it like it's a protecive escort favor. But it seems that the person who did offer, thought she was just going right around the corner to her own apartnment

 

[klily444]

From Parker Slaybaugh FB:

HANNAH GRAHAM BREAKING: Nelson County Commonwealth Attorney says they do not believe Jesse Matthew Jr. was at all involved with Alexis Murphy murder.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

Some news reports claim HG's apartment was at the GrandMarc, but I don't know if LE ever stated that.

JM's landlord claimed his roommates moved out Monday (Sept. 15). I have an idea who they might be based on checking who lived at the same address, but don't want to cause any trouble for them (i.e., news crews) since I haven't seen their names mentioned elsewhere. http://www.nbc29.com/story/26593843/man-seen-with-missing-uva-student-hannah-graham-being-sought

I wonder how LE is able to determine whose stuff is whose in that apartment?

 

[popsicle]

Jeff Goldberg ‏@jgoldbergABC7 3m
Nelson Co. Commonwealth's Attorney: "there is no credible evidence" Jesse Matthew "had anything to do w/ the disappearance of Alexis Murphy"

 

[ptandj]

Now someone says there's a body on the Parkway. Connecticut Ave is closed also. Listening to WTOP.

kelly ‏@KellehReyes 36s
I'm driving around DC and there's a body on rock creek pkwy and huge scene of cops.. :/

According to the Washington Post, this was a suicide (adult woman): http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...75c6f6-43f9-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html

 

[popsicle]

From Parker Slaybaugh FB:

HANNAH GRAHAM BREAKING: Nelson County Commonwealth Attorney says they do not believe Jesse Matthew Jr. was at all involved with Alexis Murphy murder.

Just to add... the orange object is a portion of a sign that is hanging.

 

[kirafx]

JMO, but I am wondering if we would find anything linked to our POI that might show a history related to the current charge. Does that help?

Place to search Virginia Courts Case Status and Information
http://www.courts.state.va.us/caseinfo

Two types of courts: Circuit Court and General District Court. Requires searching done by county. Liberty University is in Lynchburg, which is in Amherst County.

Checking both courts in Amherst County and Lynchburg turned up no records for JM (not sure how long they maintain their records as his time there dates back 12-13 years).

 

[Phoebeb]

Some news reports claim HG's apartment was at the GrandMarc, but I don't know if LE ever stated that.

JM's landlord claimed his roommates moved out Monday (Sept. 15). I have an idea who they might be based on checking who lived at the same address, but don't want to cause any trouble for them (i.e., news crews) since I haven't seen their names mentioned elsewhere. http://www.nbc29.com/story/26593843/man-seen-with-missing-uva-student-hannah-graham-being-sought

I believe HG did live at Grand Marc Apartments. She posted on her twitter page something about the UPS truck that just pulled up to "gmarc", better have her textbook delivery.

 

[pittie_mcclure]

BBM. First of all, all that JM is AA should not be in the picture at all in terms of how Hannah would view him. A lot of interracial dating, relationships going on. I've seen a lot of interracial couples in not just my area, but specifically in Charlotteville (was there a few months ago) and even more specifically at UVA. Less common, in my experience, has been town-gown relationships when it comes to non local undergraduate students, and that is the case in many of the top colleges I've known. The students do tend to stick with each other. However my close friend married a townie she met and dated while at college--she has a master's, he's got a GED and is a carpenter. 8 kids between them. I know personally of other cases where the relationship went into marriage.

It think he made moves on her, it went all wrong, and he lost control of is temper and his strength, and he lost his mind. Makes him a very dangerous person as we know he is capable now of going over this line if it turns out he so did. It's certainly looking like it.

Sorry I snipped so it wouldn't be so long. I'm still figuring this all out!

I agree with you! My best friend is a pharmacist (makes over $100 grand, 8 years of college) and her boyfriend is 8 years her senior, no college, army kinda guy. They are also of different races. They are quite opposite both physically and politically yet they are a great couple and totally in love. These assumptions based on race/age are so misplaced and seem to show some people's small worlds.

I am really leaning more towards something happened after they met that really made him lose it. I understand the fear if it were an accident but if this is the case shame on him for prolonging this for Hannah, her family & friends.

I hope there is a resolution soon!

 

[RSC]

This is ridiculous, and sad that you think this is an appropriate place to rage against HG's friends, who have also been victimized by this. The ONLY person to blame here is whoever is responsible for HG's disappearance and suspected harm.

Additionally, you have no idea how much she drank at the party, who supplied it to her, how many people may have offered to take her home, whether she was "extremely intoxicated" when she left, whether drugs were involved, etc. I don't know when "your day" was, but I was in college more than twenty years ago and this could have just as easily happened then.

That aside, this is not the place for finger pointing at her friends and loved ones.

I would like to see her classmates tarnished by this event. They knew she was underage, they knew she was drinking, they knew she was drunk, they knew she was leaving, alone, at night, and they let her just say it' s okay. Would not have happened with my crowd, at my college, in my day. Several people would have walked with her to her home. That I can say definitively, whether the person was underage or not. Wouldn't let someone go out into the night alone. Now once that person was home, the responsitiblity ends, but absloutely would I not let someone leave MY house, drunk and alone at night on foot or by car. even someone of age to drink, even today.

Those classmates, friends, absolutely deserve to get into some trouble, get called out and get disciplinary action from the university. They broke laws serving alcohol at the place to underage people, most likely and knowingly let an underage drinker who was DRUNK by their own admisssion, leave alone at night. This should be broadcast and shown what can happen to save even one other student, person this year. Doubt even sanctions will do it for more than that. But absolutely, these people need to know that if you serve alcohol at your place and someone underage drinks it and gets into trouble you can be in trouble. WHy should these students be exempt? Because they are UVA studnets and not townies? Most of them are adults and should be so treated, plus they are likely under university rules about this. A fellow student, a friend, someone to whom they served alcohol to the point of "extreme intoxication" has disappeared and was likely beaten up, raped and killed, and they should go scot free from this? Absolutely not.

 

[DavidC]

I agree. How could Jesse possibly know where the investigation had progressed at that point? Would he go to the police station if he truly believed he might not walk out of there? Doesn't make sense.

This is why Im waiting to SEE the evidence of his guilt. If hes guilty, going to the poloce station to ask them to call an attorney for you is stupid. That he could also successfully hide a body is a stretch for me.

 

[snarkymalarkey]

Now someone says there's a body on the Parkway. Connecticut Ave is closed also. Listening to WTOP.

kelly ‏@KellehReyes 36s
I'm driving around DC and there's a body on rock creek pkwy and huge scene of cops.. :/

removed, I got it now

 

[Emaa]

Just to add... the orange object is a portion of a sign that is hanging.

His first post here transcribes the letter from the CA

https://www.facebook.com/ParkSlaybaugh

 

[savoiadilucania]

I dont understand where this is. Is this the same as Rock Creek Road, and Forest Hills Park?

This is in Washington DC and is unrelated to the HG investigation. It was a suicide by a female.

 

[laurherm]

long time lurker- first time poster!

so sorry if this has already been discussed- i read somewhere that JM had been convicted of trespassing in 2010, has anyone been able to find out any details about that trespassing charge? like, if he had been lurking around someones rural property?