VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #13

[Elley Mae]

The charge "abduction with intent to defile" means officers believe Matthew kidnapped Hannah Graham, intending to sexually assaulting her. That felony charge carries a 20-year minimum sentence, with a maximum of life in prison.


http://www.nbc12.com/story/26610806...ators-returned-to-jesse-matthews-home-tuesday

"This afternoon, we reached that point, where the Commonwealth thought we had sufficient probably cause to seek an arrest warrant," said Longo.

Chief Longo says the department is still waiting on information regarding the case, expected in the next couple days. That information could be the forensics results on the evidence confiscated from Matthew's apartment and car.

 

[savoiadilucania]

His first post here transcribes the letter from the CA

https://www.facebook.com/ParkSlaybaugh

Great! Now let's move on...

 

[bogart64]

Rick Boone ‏@RickBooneFOX5DC 7m

BREAKING: Suspect Jesse Matthew now suspended without pay on his job at UVA Medical Center. Search for #HannahGraham continues. @fox5newsdc
Details

 

[bogart64]

https://twitter.com/NBC29/status/514781189321027584/photo/1

shows pic of JM at football game the night HG went missing

 

[Waddles]

:welcome:Laurherm!

 

[Landonsmom02]

I would like to see her classmates tarnished by this event. They knew she was underage, they knew she was drinking, they knew she was drunk, they knew she was leaving, alone, at night, and they let her just say it' s okay. Would not have happened with my crowd, at my college, in my day. Several people would have walked with her to her home. That I can say definitively, whether the person was underage or not. Wouldn't let someone go out into the night alone. Now once that person was home, the responsitiblity ends, but absloutely would I not let someone leave MY house, drunk and alone at night on foot or by car. even someone of age to drink, even today.

Those classmates, friends, absolutely deserve to get into some trouble, get called out and get disciplinary action from the university. They broke laws serving alcohol at the place to underage people, most likely and knowingly let an underage drinker who was DRUNK by their own admisssion, leave alone at night. This should be broadcast and shown what can happen to save even one other student, person this year. Doubt even sanctions will do it for more than that. But absolutely, these people need to know that if you serve alcohol at your place and someone underage drinks it and gets into trouble you can be in trouble. WHy should these students be exempt? Because they are UVA studnets and not townies? Most of them are adults and should be so treated, plus they are likely under university rules about this. A fellow student, a friend, someone to whom they served alcohol to the point of "extreme intoxication" has disappeared and was likely beaten up, raped and killed, and they should go scot free from this? Absolutely not.

BBM


With all do respect, what are these classmates going to get charged with?? It's not their fault. The only fault lies on the perpertrator and their actions. The only way the bar/resturant/club is at fault is if that person leaves and drives drunk and kills someone. It's not their fault she was abducted. They "should have" stopped her, walker her home or called a cab, but unless these "friends" are directly involved in this crime........they are not guilty of anything except lack of good morals/judgement. Hopefully this horrible crime will have taught them a lesson and next time they will respond better in the same situation. IMHO

Not trying to offend anyone but today people want to blame some one when the perpertrator is the only one where blame lies..............

 

[Emaa]

Great! Now let's move on...

Yes, let's.

I posted that because the twitter image was too small to read. Not that I owe you an explanation of why I chose to post it.

 

[Claudia]

Deleted... already answered.

 

[Perplexed 123]

I agree. How could Jesse possibly know where the investigation had progressed at that point? Would he go to the police station if he truly believed he might not walk out of there? Doesn't make sense.

Unless he's more afraid of persons unknown than he is of LE?

what's gang activity like in the area? I've been reading, but maybe some local could give us the low down?

jmo

 

[DocBrew]

He's too much of a sociopathic coward to commit suicide. JMO.

 

[Phoebeb]

People here and comments on other threads keep mentioning the fact that Hannah was offered to be escorted home by a male student. Well, maybe she didn't want to end up in her apartment alone with that boy. Maybe she didn't trust him 100%. IMO people shouldn't be questioning her decision. College girls who are assaulted are often assaulted by fellow students. As far as I'm concerned, her decision wasn't necessarily one that wasn't given consideration.

Sorry if this has been brought up already. I'm still in catch-up mode this morning.

Where did you read that? Interesting... She was a second year student, I do not believe she was lost once she was at the mall. Maybe earlier near Wertland, but not once on the mall that she was surely familiar with.

 

[job]

Hi all, my first post but have been following the case here since the beginning. I'm not sure if anyone else has already mentioned this but here is what I think.

I think LE does not have any DNA or otherwise solid evidence that Hannah was in the car or the apartment.

Now I thought the new charge of abduction with intent to defile is interesting for two reasons. First off, it's a felony which means if he has fled the state then when he is caught, he can be sent back to Virginia to deal with the Charlottesville police regarding Hannah (whereas the reckless driving charges were misdemeanors and not a cause for extradition). Second of all, I think that because he was seen walking with Hannah with his arm around her when she was apparently very intoxicated, that LE believes he was basically walking her where he wants to go and because she was intoxicated, that she was not able to willingly consent and thus LE considers this to be abduction. As for "intent to defile", that can mean a lot of different things. I am guessing that LE has interviewed witnesses who claim to see/hear JM trying to get Hannah to come home with him or perhaps they removed unused condoms from his car or apartment and because that's the case, it means that JM would have likely had sex with her if Hannah did end up going home with him. There's no telling what evidence LE has to warrant the "intent to defile" charge so of course it's all speculation for now.

So I believe they went to Tempo and that's where their interaction ended after Hannah rejected the idea of going home with him. So JM eventually left in his car alone... but I have no ideas as to where Hannah could have gone once he left without her. I know early on there were eyewitnesses claiming to see her get into his car but I don't know how many witnesses there are or how detailed or how credible they are.

Have there been any witnesses from Tempo that have spoken out to the press about what they saw? And what exactly happened within Tempo? How long were they there? Did it look like Hannah was too drunk to be coherent? Did it look like Hannah and JM were being friendly with each other or was JM making her stay with him against her will?

Obviously this is all just my opinion and I'm sure LE is withholding a ton of information/possible evidence to make their case, but as of right now, I don't feel like we are all that much closer to figuring out exactly what happened and most importantly, finding Hannah.

 

[EGirl]

Yes, let's.

I posted that because the twitter image was too small to read. Not that I owe you an explanation of why I chose to post it.

Thanks for the post. I know sometimes things seem repetitive, but for some of us that can only 'jump' on here occasionally to catch up, it makes it easier.

 

[kirafx]

long time lurker- first time poster!

so sorry if this has already been discussed- i read somewhere that JM had been convicted of trespassing in 2010, has anyone been able to find out any details about that trespassing charge? like, if he had been lurking around someones rural property?

Info from court website:
Charlottesville City Circuit - Criminal Division
Case Details
Case Number: CR10000129-01
Filed: 05/11/2010
Defendant: MATTHEW, JESSE LEROY; JR
DOB: 12/14/****
Address: KESWICK VA 22947

Charge: TRESPASS AFTER FORBIDDEN
Code Section: 18.2-119
Charge Type: Misdemeanor
Class: 1
Offense Date: 03/17/2010
Arrest Date: 03/19/2010
Disposition Code: Guilty
Disposition Date: 08/12/2010
Concluded By: Trial - Judge With Witness
Fine Amount: $50.00
Costs: $218.00
Fines/Cost Paid: Yes

originally filed in
Charlottesville General District Court

Case # Defendant: GC10001889-00 MATTHEW, JESSE LEROY; JR
NOTE: This case was appealed to circuit court on 04/30/2010. See circuit court for final disposition.
Offense Date : 03/17/2010
Arrest Date : 03/19/2010
Filed Date: 03/22/2010
Charge: TRESPASS AFTER FORBIDDEN
Code Section : 18.2-119
Defense Attorney : REDINGER, JANICE L

What the code says:
§ 18.2-119. Trespass after having been forbidden to do so; penalties.

If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian, or the agent of any such person, or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by or at the direction of such persons or the agent of any such person or by the holder of any easement....

 

[Mommyisabear]

BBM


With all do respect, what are these classmates going to get charged with?? It's not their fault. The only fault lies on the perpertrator and their actions. The only way the bar/resturant/club is at fault is if that person leaves and drives drunk and kills someone. It's not their fault she was abducted. They "should have" stopped her, walker her home or called a cab, but unless these "friends" are directly involved in this crime........they are not guilty of anything except lack of good morals/judgement. Hopefully this horrible crime will have taught them a lesson and next time they will respond better in the same situation. IMHO

Not trying to offend anyone but today people want to blame some one when the perpertrator is the only one where blame lies..............

Well, the people who bought the alcohol/threw the party can be charged with providing alcohol to a minor, maybe they already have. It's just a ticket and a fine. I'm thinking they probably haven't charged them with anything because LE doesn't want to set the precedent that you'll get in trouble if you fess up and provide LE with info.

 

[Eileen730]

Consciousness of Guilt

Consciousness of Guilt is both a concept and a type of circumstantial evidence used in criminal trials by prosecutors. It refers to a powerful and highly incriminating inference that a judge or jury may draw from the statements or conduct of a defendant (accused) after a crime has been committed suggesting that the defendant knows he or she is guilty of the charged crime. In other words, the defendant's conduct after the crime is circumstantial (indirect) evidence that the defendant intended to commit the crime, or, in fact, committed the crime. Some of the most common types of consciousness of guilt are:
•Fleeing from the crime scene or jurisdiction
http://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/Legal-Dictionary/C/CONE-CZ/Consciousness-of-Guilt.aspx

 

[jamicat]

This is ridiculous, and sad that you think this is an appropriate place to rage against HG's friends, who have also been victimized by this. The ONLY person to blame here is whoever is responsible for HG's disappearance and suspected harm.

Additionally, you have no idea how much she drank at the party, who supplied it to her, how many people may have offered to take her home, whether she was "extremely intoxicated" when she left, whether drugs were involved, etc. I don't know when "your day" was, but I was in college more than twenty years ago and this could have just as easily happened then.

That aside, this is not the place for finger pointing at her friends and loved ones.

First of all I am not raging. Not at all. In fact, I 've stated a number of time, that the focus right now should be on finding Hannah and finding out what happened to her, and I do not expect LE to go chasing after those who had the party. Absolutely not.

But this is a HUGE problem, not just in this case, but in many others, at college. Up until about 20 years ago, I did not of one single death (some foolishness, some damages but zero deaths) going on at colleges from this sort of thing. and I am well involved with colleges. Not much with LE but with colleges, yes. Now I am seeing this a lot and personally know 4 who DIED this way, and am about one or two degree of separation from some others, including the Lauren Spierer case.

So do I think Hannah's "freinds' who have out and out said to LE that she was "extremely intoxicated" (LE's quotes from info from them) when she left them, and they didn't accompany a young woman, drunk, at night , that they provided drinks and they knew she was underage, out there, should have some culpability? Yes, I do. And they should feel culpable too. If it were myself,or my kid who provided her with those drinks, knowingly let her leave my place drunk at night, yes, there would be culpability, i'm pretty sure. You think that has put much of a dent in the UVA party scene? Guess again. I'll be there in a few weeks, and I'll let you know. UVA should have some sanction for them and they should be doing some mea culpas themselves. No, I don't think they should be charged by LE, but the university has rules about this and they could enforce some of them, or these students should be doing something to reduce the incidences of such thing and letting people know. Just the simple act of accompanying someone "out of it' instead of just offering could make a difference. That's just decency. No, I would not allow someone drunk to leave my house that way or anyone I know to leave a private party that way. I'd go with the person, with accompaniment to make sure they got where ever safely and did not try to drive. Absoluteley. If one more person gets escorted, accompanied when not in right mind, leaving a place, it's worth it.

 

[savoiadilucania]

Hi all, my first post but have been following the case here since the beginning. I'm not sure if anyone else has already mentioned this but here is what I think.

I think LE does not have any DNA or otherwise solid evidence that Hannah was in the car or the apartment.

BBM

Then what evidence did they use to charge him? I can't see them establishing PC based on the fact they left Tempo together...

 

[DavidC]

I think that's a great first post. I'm on board with your opinion here. I honestly do not believe police have any witnesses of Hannah getting into Jesse's car.

Hi all, my first post but have been following the case here since the beginning. I'm not sure if anyone else has already mentioned this but here is what I think.

I think LE does not have any DNA or otherwise solid evidence that Hannah was in the car or the apartment.

Now I thought the new charge of abduction with intent to defile is interesting for two reasons. First off, it's a felony which means if he has fled the state then when he is caught, he can be sent back to Virginia to deal with the Charlottesville police regarding Hannah (whereas the reckless driving charges were misdemeanors and not a cause for extradition). Second of all, I think that because he was seen walking with Hannah with his arm around her when she was apparently very intoxicated, that LE believes he was basically walking her where he wants to go and because she was intoxicated, that she was not able to willingly consent and thus LE considers this to be abduction. As for "intent to defile", that can mean a lot of different things. I am guessing that LE has interviewed witnesses who claim to see/hear JM trying to get Hannah to come home with him or perhaps they removed unused condoms from his car or apartment and because that's the case, it means that JM would have likely had sex with her if Hannah did end up going home with him. There's no telling what evidence LE has to warrant the "intent to defile" charge so of course it's all speculation for now.

So I believe they went to Tempo and that's where their interaction ended after Hannah rejected the idea of going home with him. So JM eventually left in his car alone... but I have no ideas as to where Hannah could have gone once he left without her. I know early on there were eyewitnesses claiming to see her get into his car but I don't know how many witnesses there are or how detailed or how credible they are.

Have there been any witnesses from Tempo that have spoken out to the press about what they saw? And what exactly happened within Tempo? How long were they there? Did it look like Hannah was too drunk to be coherent? Did it look like Hannah and JM were being friendly with each other or was JM making her stay with him against her will?

Obviously this is all just my opinion and I'm sure LE is withholding a ton of information/possible evidence to make their case, but as of right now, I don't feel like we are all that much closer to figuring out exactly what happened and most importantly, finding Hannah.

 

[Soulmagent]

I do actually think LE lost him and has no clue where he is. I have never heard of a case where there was a warrant and LE knew where the person was and did not swoop in and promptly arrest the person.

It happens all the time . My ex's family would actually call when they thought a warrant might be issued for for them ,to see it their was one and would decided if they would turn themselves in or not. Sometimes they would even tell the magistrate judge what day they would be there to turn themselves in.

IMO the only way they would really not know where he is would be if they know he is not the person who made Hannah disappear and their resources are really on other sources .

All the mistakes LE are making in the media seem to imply text book profile prep behavior ..

Watch the presser and then read how the FBI profile styles. A person lying is a person lying and even if the motives are different the signs are still the same ,KWIM?