VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #15 *ARREST*

[Makaroni]

I did say that in cases like this they will get ones DNA before hand as it is needed for evidence.. I think i was misunderstood lol I was seperately saying that no matter the felony it becomes mandatory to have your dna stored after the case is over for future reference.. So Again yes, in cases where its needed as evidence, or this one more specifically, it will most likely be taken very soon

Yes ... I understand exactly what you're saying. I posted similar based on real life experience with my ex. No DNA taken until AFTER his conviction on aggravated assault because he was then classified as a violent offender. And I'm sure, every state is different.

 

[Le Singe]

The thought occurred to me ( probably to everyone else too) that maybe Jesse Matthew being a Good Samaritan gave Hannah Graham a ride back to Wertland and 14th- dropped her off and left. That is the location near UVa and where she lives and where this all started. She got out of the car and was still disoriented and texted her friends that she was lost and needed help. That would explain why she told her friends she was near Wertland and 14th but still lost. I guess a GPS determination of where the text originated would answer that one. Then at that point she was abducted, not by Jesse Matthew but by somebody else.

doesn't work with the timeline

 

[*JMO*]

"Sir, I have a question for you," Matthew said to the judge. "Like, they took all of my clothes and ... I feel like I should be able to have some kind of clothes."

"You appear to me to be dressed in a jumpsuit," Judge Henry replied.

"Well once I get back, they are going to take my jumpsuit off," Matthew said.

The judge explained that all would be settled once Matthew was cleared by the medical department and he is moved to a cell.

"When does that happen?" Matthew asked.

"The deputies would probably know better than I would, I assume sometime this morning," Henry said.

After the confusion about his clothes was cleared, Matthew asked for clarity on the documents he was signing, seeming even more confused.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/m...inia-student-in-custody-in-galveston/28233540

 

[s3cr3tag3nt]

I think i was misunderstood lol

Sorry if I misunderstood - thread is moving fast so I'll admit I'm skimming/speed reading at times... haha.

 

[Lava]

Yes - I remember that - I think there was much confusion and conflicting reports about descriptions. I do not see that error as a reason to disregard this more recent story or at least to attempt to contact the former teammates and verify their stories.

It seems this whole kerfuffle started over the NEW DM story about a prior rape accusation in college. If they got something wrong in the early days when all was swirling around about black males and white males and shaved heads and dread locks - I do not (imho) feel that discredits this new story.

Does anyone else remember a story here about a female who reported being a passenger in his taxi.... he stated he was in massage school?... Did he offer her a massage or give her a card or something to contact him about one? I'm thinking her husband warned her it sounded sketchy? All a big fog in my brain now - but I would like to find out/clear that up. Thx.

I used the one about JM being cleared as an example. As I stated, it is one of many. Me and other posters have pointed out that the DM is often banned in other forums for their history of false reporting. I just used this ONE example because it actually related to this case, but there are plenty more.

That being said: everyone else is free to use whatever source they want. I have never said anyone else shouldn't. I have only said it was my personal preference not to use them and that perhaps others should be cautious. That is all.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

With the confusion surrounding the documents, clothes, etc. it seems like he is going to go ahead and start laying the groundwork for a incompetency or mentally unstable defense.

 

[Le Singe]

Are investigators from VA allowed to go down to TX to attempt to interview JM while he awaits his extradition?

Is it probably JM's lawyer will head down to TX?

Sorry if these questions have been asked.....wasn't around much last night due to having to be a parent.....

Investigators are in route. I'm not sure if they are allowed to talk to him b/c he has a lawyer. I personally suspect they are headed there to get a swab.

 

[Samantharock]

Good point. Yes, in VA DNA samples must be destroyed on acquittal/dismissal:

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+19.2-310.2C1

If samples have been shared with other agencies (e.g. FBI), however, there are not necessarily provisions requiring that those agencies also destroy the sample.

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jan/13/nation/na-dna13/2

Its possible theyve already obtained his DNA from his apartment right? i mean obviously they will have to warrant an actual swab for evidence but they might have it already no?

 

[divinedragon]

They probally already obtained his dna from his apartment or his vehicle. All they need is a glass tooth brush anything. I bet as soon as they charged him with the felony they sent that to the lab! moo

I'm sure they do - at least they are assuming it is his. I am wondering if they need to obtain a direct sample from him to establish a legal certainty that it is his DNA.

 

[s3cr3tag3nt]

Its possible theyve already obtained his DNA from his apartment right? i mean obviously they will have to warrant an actual swab for evidence but they might have it already no?

They surely have DNA from his apartment - but without a sample directly from him they can't prove in a court of law that the DNA is his. DNA from his apartment is just considered DNA from somebody who had been in his apartment..... They need DNA directly from him to be certain.

 

[cluciano63]

The one negative thing, Imo, is LE maintaing silence after charging (if they do) is when the person is still missing, as with Heather Elvis. A gag order was issued in that case, so we have heard nothing in almost six months and her name is never in the news yet she has not been found. It doesn't seem right to go silent when the victim still needs to be found. I hope they don't do that in this case. Jmo

 

[*JMO*]

Live feed: Officials discuss arrest of UVA abduction suspect

http://abc13.com/live/

 

[Le Singe]

Off on a completely different tangent - Hannah was last seen 1am Saturday, but not reported missing til 4pm Sunday. Do we know who she lived with? Bet whoever received the "lost" text message wishes they had done more.

she was seen drinking at tempo and leaving tempo with JM 1:40ish after supposed txt.

 

[Makaroni]

I'm sure they do - at least they are assuming it is his. I am wondering if they need to obtain a direct sample from him to establish a legal certainty that it is his DNA.

I would say yes, it has to come from him directly (swab) ... Has to hold up in court that it is in fact his DNA and not a roommate's, friend's or cousin's DNA. Just my opinion though

 

[Foxfire]

I wouldn't think he would put her in the same place as the other, could be in that general area though. If he is responsible for others in the area of charlottesville I wouldn't expect the bodies to be found in the spot. jmo idk

Elley Mae, I am thinking that the damage to his vehicle was likely done recently and may have been while disposing of HG's remains. This seems logical due to the temporary spare tire on JM's vehicle. These tires are only meant to be driven for a short distance.
Imo, HG's remains will likely be located in a remote area; state or federal forest or large rural wooded private tract....
Curious as too whether the missing part of the bumper was left by JM where the damage occurred..Likely a non-maintained jeep trail/logging road..

 

[Sin City]

BBM Bingo! Said much better than I could, Basilcat.

...sadly! IMO, I think in this case it would have been the victim that opted out of going forward with the charges that would have possibly led to a conviction...
This happened in our murder case, where there had been previous charges levied, but when it came time for trial the victim was too afraid to testify...so although there were previous charges, he was never actually convicted ....which in Canada meant that the incident was not put on his permanent record..and therefore would not come up on a criminal record check.
If the victim had been able to follow through, he would not have been working at the retirement home where he met our daughter...it's a very difficult cycle...one cannot blame a young girl for not wanting to go to court/being afraid of the perpetrator ; having to relive the experience etc.....
We were undeniably traumatized to learn of the murderer's past charges and conflicted over why his last trial was not completed...but one cannot change past events, nor could we blame the poor girl who was too terrified to testify... There is indeed anger and confusion why serious " charges" can't be included on criminal record checks, but there is the rationality of knowing that "charges" are just that...they haven't been proven in a court of law yet...
It appears that JM has shown a prior pattern for violence and disregard for the law....I am so glad that he has been caught...
This case is extremely upsetting....a supposed "gentle giant, nice guy" hiding an explosive monster beneath a cheerful demeanour...it's frightening and awful...
My heart goes out to the Graham's and all of Hannah's friends and all of us who care deeply for justice in this case

 

[GhostGhost]

With the confusion surrounding the documents, clothes, etc. it seems like he is going to go ahead and start laying the groundwork for a incompetency or mentally unstable defense.

Two family members (or one twice) have already claimed he was framed.

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[cluciano63]

They surely have DNA from his apartment - but without a sample directly from him they can't prove in a court of law that the DNA is his. DNA from his apartment is just considered DNA from somebody who had been in his apartment..... They need DNA directly from him to be certain.

Some of us were trying to determine if his DNA might have been taken when he was charged with assault some years back, since VA can obtain DNA at arrest. Jmo

 

[Sjm_qc]

Does anyone else remember a story here about a female who reported being a passenger in his taxi.... he stated he was in massage school?... Did he offer her a massage or give her a card or something to contact him about one? I'm thinking her husband warned her it sounded sketchy? All a big fog in my brain now - but I would like to find out/clear that up. Thx.

That was on FB, either the Find Hannah, or Coy Barefoot, or Parker Slaybaugh page. She called it in to the tip line.

 

[Madison418]

I wouldn't think he would put her in the same place as the other, could be in that general area though. If he is responsible for others in the area of charlottesville I wouldn't expect the bodies to be found in the spot. jmo idk

Right. I was listening to a DC radio station this morning and they reported that about 90% of Charlottesville had been searched for Hannah so far. I'm thinking it's more likely she's on the outskirts of Charlottesville. I'd be interested to find out if/when JM's roommates heard him come home early that morning. We haven't heard anything about the roommates at all actually unless I've missed something.