VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #8

[Jmm124567]

Then why release any description?

I think the white guy truly got some of the description wrong. He came forward like 4 or 5 days later so his memory may have not been perfect. He was only wrong about the pants and hair.

 

[cady]

It's his right but he then can't be surprised if LE get angry that he won't help with their investigation. There is a young girl missing. They are desperately trying to get answers and JM has put up a massive road block that is stopping them from moving forwards

Longo has a juris doctorate and has been a member of the bar association. I think in Maryland. In any case, he is quite familiar with the law, and rights of citizens. JMO

 

[jamicat]

Charlottesville police just want to find Hannah.


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Yes, Charlotesvill police want to find Hannah. But not "just". If Hannah is dead or hurt, they want to know who did it , what happened.

 

[Jmm124567]

He may not be able to afford an attorney. It's a pretty bad catch-22 since apparently he has to be charged before he can have one appointed (at tax-payer expense), and charging him may require that he talk to them and give them some reason to charge him.

I wonder if they charged him today so he could get appointed a lawyer and talk.

I think everything police are doing so far is strategic.

 

[DeeMarie]

I think the 1:20am text message is a key piece

Agreed. This is just my theory but I think they left the bar quickly because she wanted a ride back to her apartment/campus.
They left the bar and at 1:20am she texted her friends while she was in the car that she was lost.
Maybe he pretended he was lost and gave her their wrong location while he was driving in order to stall. (she texted 14th and Wertland street but that was not where she was at)
Once she was in the car it was too late

 

[blefuscu]

Meanwhile Hannah remains missing and currently all leads point to JM.

 

[sophiebelle]

Right, so if they have video of them leaving Tempo, why don't they know what time they left? Hmm...

They have witnesses seeing them there and leaving together. Then what happened? He said there was video of them after that, but it's not been shown. No video of her getting into JM's car.

 

[cluciano63]

What if they can't connect him more than they have, yet they never solve this case? He will always be considered guilty, Imo.

Right now, they have all of his stuff. What do they think he is going to tell them, if he talks with them? He is not going to confess, if guilty, and if innocent, he will not have anything to offer to help find her, Imo. If they did split up before he left, he has no clue where she is. They are going to have to find their own evidence. No way will he help them now, either way. They are not going to believe him if he insists he left her alive and went home, Imo. And chances are he would refuse a LD test as many, if not most, people do. JM is past caring what the public thinks, Imo. He has to do what he feels best, with legal advice.

 

[steelman]

I still for the life of me don't understand how the first warrant they got was to sieze his car. Not to search his apartment but just to sieze his car. And during that seizure all of a sudden they had found something that amounted to probable cause in order to search his apartment.

So what could they have possibly seen in his car that allows for a warrant for his home, but not for his arrest?

I don't get it!:scared::shame::thinking::tantrum:

You and me both.

 

[Lava]

Meanwhile Hannah remains missing and currently all leads point to JM.

The only thing that points to JM is that they were together, in a public place. If we knew they were together privately, I'd be singing a totally different tune. But we still only know that they were at a bar, publicly, and that is it.

 

[margarita25]

Also a newbie and do not claim to be an expert on the subject of human trafficking but I have spent a lot of time researching human trafficking in the Northern Virginia area. It seems Route 29 is a direct route to NOVA once you hit 66. I wonder if the POI is not in someway connected with a larger sex ring in NOVA. There was time to get her out of here before she was reported missing. I hope the FBI are here to investigate this as it's more common that most people think and maybe there is still time to find her. Girls are moved quickly given drugs, different names and a change of hairstyle and this happens right here in VA.
Link to article on NOVA Sex ring
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...86e1a8-1c9c-11e3-82ef-a059e54c49d0_story.html

Welcome richpi

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[jamicat]

I wonder if they charged him today so he could get appointed a lawyer and talk.

I think everything police are doing so far is strategic.

Since LE said he spoke with a lawyer, JM did get advice from one. As I said earlier, there are plenty of lawyers mulling around the courts looking for clients. They would be very interested in a high profile case like this. I'm sure he could retain one for very little or for nothing for initial consult. I'm certain any attorney would tell him to say nothing, get out of here, he's in big trouble, and to stay away from Charlottesville, which he is doing--got out of Dodge FAST. JM did not get charged, or that would have been announced. He would have been arrainged, there would have been bail, more news. Nope. LE did not have enough to charge him with anything. Just enough to take his car and search it as well as his apt.

 

[divinedragon]

I would be surprised if there aren't a number of attorneys lined up to represent him pro bono.

 

[blefuscu]

The only thing that points to JM is that they were together, in a public place. If we knew they were together privately, I'd be singing a totally different tune. But we still only know that they were at a bar, publicly, and that is it.

The police know they left together. And then the trail goes cold. And JM won't co-operate. So the signs end up pointing at him. And he's obstructing an investigation as he won't talk. If he is innocent then he's keeping the investigation focused on him by refusing to co-operate.

 

[Lava]

I would be surprised if there aren't a number of attorneys lined up to to represent him pro bono.

I hope he gets good representation. People seem to forget that making sure things are done right is best for Hannah too, at least for justice she needs it. You don't want LE to railroad someone and then the real perp to get away. It is better for everyone for this to be done the right way.

 

[Lava]

And then the trail goes cold. And JM won't co-operate. So the signs end up pointing at him. And he's obstructing an investigation as he won't talk. If he is innocent then he's keeping the investigation focused on him by refusing to co-operate.

One detective said he talked to him, and wanted to talk to him again. JM has every right to a lawyer, and to listen to his lawyer. It is up to LE to prove their case, if they have the evidence. That is not JM's responsibility.

 

[Topcat]

I still for the life of me don't understand how the first warrant they got was to sieze his car. Not to search his apartment but just to sieze his car. And during that seizure all of a sudden they had found something that amounted to probable cause in order to search his apartment.

So what could they have possibly seen in his car that allows for a warrant for his home, but not for his arrest?

I don't get it!:scared::shame::thinking::tantrum:

I could only think of an eyewitness(bartender/bouncer) who saw them together and saw them leave together maybe even saw them going towards the vehicle but not leaving together in it. A creative "reasonable cause" to a "friendly " judge can produce a search warrant for the vehicle.

 

[margarita25]

Hannah's case has made the main cover story at cnn.com

'Somebody's got to know where she is'
Police seek help in search for missing student

More than a week has passed since University of Virginia student Hannah Graham disappeared, and police are certain that somebody must know something.

www.cnn.com

 

[Claudia]

They have witnesses seeing them there and leaving together. Then what happened? He said there was video of them after that, but it's not been shown. No video of her getting into JM's car.

Longo said they left Tempo between 1:20 and 1:40. I can understand witnesses not knowing an exact time, but if he has video like he said today, then he'd know what time they left.

 

[Perplexed 123]

You and me both.

could they have someone else on camera driving JMs car? they are sure it's not JM, but can't identify who

I can't think of any other reason and keep coming back to this theory

jmo

JM should have no fear of coming forward to tell his side to LE. They're are a lot of eyes on the case and evidence will have to be rock solid