VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #12

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1533161622876962816

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think much of the backlash came about because of the way most of the mainstream press was covering the trial. There were a lot of misleading headlines and it was very frustrating to watch the actual testimonies and exhibits, see where Amber was caught in obvious lies---and then CNN/WaPO/MSNBC would write a headline making it AS IF Amber proved the abuse.

I think the tsunami of vitriol came about because of the public's frustration with the total lack of transparency in msm.

If the public didn't speak out, by tweeting or Tik Tok, or IG, etc, the word would not have been received that the public did not believe Amber's stories. Everyone would have just accepted msm headlines claiming that Amber deserved justice for the brutal rapes and beatings by Johnny Depp.

I think the movement has been moved forward in a positive way by this trial. Let's agree that EVERYONE should be listened to and allowed to tell their story. But belief comes with some time and objectivity. JMO

If it took this trial (Depp vs Heard) to wake people up to the lies the MSM tell the world, then so be it. It’s about time!

This trial isn’t going to hurt abused women one bit. But maybe jurors will start to see who is for real and who the phonies are. Men can get hurt too.

 

[Luna20]

I think Elaine is making a big deal out of the evidence not entered for the obvious & main reason, AH had no evidence for the trial. She’s wants to send the message to the public asap that AH would have definitely won if the ‘right’ evidence was entered not because AH is guilty.

Im curious if PR guy is taking the reigns to get way ahead in salvaging AH image. After watching the interviews I’m wondering if PR guy made the decision for Elaine to do them. They are fast tracking to keep the momentum going to increase supporters…especially noteworthy supporters. It wouldn’t surprise me if someone like Marrow takes an active part in defending AH. They are going off the hype without seeing the trial, taking AH & friends word for it.

Another target audience is those on the fence about which side to believe. I think they are winning this group over through sympathy. They are pushing “the sad story“ everywhere they can. It is working, albeit very slowly. It’s so frustrating because the majority of the ‘on the fence group‘ didn’t see the trial and they won’t most likely.

In my mind I don’t see how anyone who has watched the trial can think she isnt guilty. Her words and actions sealed the deal.

 

[kaos]

If EH sill has all this evidence, then why not march it straight around to a police station and have them do a proper investigation into it? That gets AH a second bite at the cherry but she'd have to have her and her friends go through questions from seasoned detectives and I doubt AH would want to welcome that into her life.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I watched the trial and I believe JD is such a troubled man who uses passive-aggressive tendencies, and so-called humor, to humiliate others. One example is when he called Mr Rottenborn Mr ROTTEN (pause) born. For someone whose lawyers pointed out how damaged he became over his own mother calling him One Eye, I found it especially degrading for JD to do the same thing in a court of law and then laugh about it and also to see others laughing along. For me, that showed his truest character for how stunted his personality is and how he subtly provokes others. For a man to call his wife the most degrading names like c**t and wh**re, destroy her clothing and wardrobe, write bizarre words on walls, destroy other people’s homes, hotel rooms and furniture, and on and on the evidence showed such turmoil, so many destructive, violent acts he pulled. Could any woman imagine being married to a man like that? His addictions, his sense of entitlement, his utter instability. Crazy-making! A person would have to be insane to go through life like that. Who would be able to sustain living in that environment? She might be better off to just find a way to pay him off and move on in life. So much better is waiting for her even if that means no more Hollywood. This is all MOO based on watching the trial because I didn’t know anything about either of them before. IMO.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

After trial, insiders say comeback will be ‘very hard’ for Amber Heard

I think AH will still be able to work. But I do have doubts that the bigger studios will want to employ her. I mean she is very litigious. CV was right in her closing arguments that AH burns bridges.

There's the whole London Fields lawsuit (which was settled):

Amber Heard and ‘London Fields’ Team End Controversial Legal Battle, Movie to Open After Three-Year Delay

When comedian Doug Stanhope spoke out about AH and JD in 2016, she slapped him with a lawsuit:

Amber Heard Drops Defamation Lawsuit Against Doug Stanhope


Then we have the claims she made against Warner Brothers over Aquaman 2. Walter Hamada (the president of the DC division) himself was forced to go on public record, summarily debunking her wild assertions that JD had anything to do with their decisions about her contract. I would assume this does not bode well in terms of their relationship with her going forward. Especially since plot points of the yet to be released movie were spoiled during testimony.

 

[catgurl420]

I watched the trial and I believe JD is such a troubled man who uses passive-aggressive tendencies, and so-called humor, to humiliate others. One example is when he called Mr Rottenborn Mr ROTTEN (pause) born. For someone whose lawyers pointed out how damaged he became over his own mother calling him One Eye, I found it especially degrading for JD to do the same thing in a court of law and then laugh about it and also to see others laughing along. For me, that showed his truest character for how stunted his personality is and how he subtly provokes others. For a man to call his wife the most degrading names like c**t and wh**re, destroy her clothing and wardrobe, write bizarre words on walls, destroy other people’s homes, hotel rooms and furniture, and on and on the evidence showed such turmoil, so many destructive, violent acts he pulled. Could any woman imagine being married to a man like that? His addictions, his sense of entitlement, his utter instability. Crazy-making! A person would have to be insane to go through life like that. Who would be able to sustain living in that environment? She might be better off to just find a way to pay him off and move on in life. So much better is waiting for her even if that means no more Hollywood. This is all MOO based on watching the trial because I didn’t know anything about either of them before. IMO.

Thank you for this!
It's sad to see how one-sided this thread has become, especially because back in 2016 it had many more objective posts. I hope more people can speak up about the mountain of evidence against JD. AH is not a perfect victim, nobody is. But if you look at the bigger picture of the case it becomes clear that AH was subject to physical and emotional abuse for years. I hope more people start to acknowledge this.

 

[zencompass]

It is saddening that Elaine Bredehoft not once mentioned during the trial nor in the recent interviews that men suffer from domestic abuse as well as women.

We can see from the statistics that this is a tragic fact which should be acknowledged.

It is harmful to society when someone who is a well-known attorney - does not even acknowledge this fact.

Whenever there are statements such as the ones Ms. Bredehoft has made which are completely and utterly one-sided, it's harmful for everyone.

I see that Ms. Bredehoft cancelled upcoming interviews - so either she has realized her unprofessionalism in her words in the interviews - or she has been firmly told to refrain from this.

JMO

 

[zencompass]

I do hope that A.H. seeks good professional help for her to move on (as she has said she wishes to), but more importantly to learn how to keep friends.

I wanted to believe A.H.'s testimony but there would be lie after lie after lie. After awhile it was impossible to believe anything she said.

Evidence presented on her behalf was debunked and showed to contain more lies. It was so disappointing to watch as I had thought she had a case - but it was built on lies and deceit.

It was sad to hear A.H.'s former friends (witnesses on the stand) all say that they do not speak to A.H. anymore and haven't for years.

A.H., like everyone, deserves and needs to have friends who last for years - not just for a period of time (during which J.D. allowed some of them to live rent-free in his penthouse apartments).

I wish A.H. happiness and health. The same as I do for J.D.

JMO

 

[catgurl420]

Then we have the claims she made against Warner Brothers over Aquaman 2. Walter Hamada (the president of the DC division) himself was forced to go on public record, summarily debunking her wild assertions that JD had anything to do with their decisions about her contract. I would assume this does not bode well in terms of their relationship with her going forward. Especially since plot points of the yet to be released movie were spoiled during testimony.

I don't think it's very 'wild' of her to allege that he had a role in controlling her contract when evidence like this exists...

Johnny Depp’s former agent tried to ‘shut down’ London Fields version over Amber Heard nude scenes

 

[CharlestonGal]

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AH has a great shot of winning her appeal IMO

What's the basis of the appeal? I haven't seen it yet. Is there a link?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Thank you for this!
It's sad to see how one-sided this thread has become, especially because back in 2016 it had many more objective posts. I hope more people can speak up about the mountain of evidence against JD. AH is not a perfect victim, nobody is. But if you look at the bigger picture of the case it becomes clear that AH was subject to physical and emotional abuse for years. I hope more people start to acknowledge this.

She gave as good as she got.
Both need to get off drugs and liquor.
But they won’t.
The sense of entitlement in Hollywood is sickening.

 

[Breathe]

MSN

www.msn.com

An insider told Us Weekly that Heard is "100 percent appealing on freedom of speech and is telling friends she is determined to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if she has to."

The added, "She is not able to comprehend that she lost."

 

[rebelchild]

Y'all hold down the fort .. I'm going to go put my hip waders on and go play in the cow pasture for a while.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[CharlestonGal]

MSN

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An insider told Us Weekly that Heard is "100 percent appealing on freedom of speech and is telling friends she is determined to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if she has to."

The added, "She is not able to comprehend that she lost."

Weird. Does she not understand that defamatory speech is not protected speech? Does she not understand that the 1st amendment only protects you from the government suppressing your speech? There are Whistleblower statutes that protect individuals who speak out about corporate and government practices and such but such protections do not apply to private squabbles between citizens.

It'll never make it to the Supreme Court as the government isn't even involved here.

The jury heard the facts of the case and the appeals court is not going to retry those issues.
The jury found that the statements were made by AH.
The jury found the statements were made about JD (AH even admitted this on the stand).
The jury found the statements were defamatory.
The jury found that AH knew the statements were defamatory.
The jury found that AH made the defamatory statements with malice.
The jury found that JD had suffered damages and was due compensation and punitive damages.

None of that falls under freedom of speech protections. It is all illegal. And juries have a right to determine the credibility of a witness and throw out their entire testimony if they find the witness not to be credible. Which is what happened here. That is not an appealable issue. It's a jury decision.

What AH is trying to say (apparently) is that she has a right for her speech to be believed. Nope, nope, nope. IMO

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Substance Abuse and Addiction

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He may have downplayed substance abuse (though he clearly stated on the stand the only person he abused was himself, so there was recognition), but IMO he didn't lie about addiction.

https://www.seattle.gov/courts/programs-and-services/specialized-courts/domestic-violence-intervention-project/what-happens-in-cases-of-domestic-violence

The police officer was doing her job: she witnessed DV and arrested the perpetrator.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Not just that, but the 2003 driving while suspended arrest. Which obviously means she was arrested prior to that to get a suspended license for years in the first place.

She was not released moments later, she spent a night in jail and arraigned the next day when the charges were then dropped. The arresting officer is an out and proud lesbian. More lies from AH.

I agree that it was bad that JD tried to downplay his drug use at the UK trial. He shouldn't have lied about that, and it rightly counted against him. I watched AH lie about her level of drug and alcohol use on the stand. The testimony had to keep changing, though, as other witnesses disputed her. AH is a coke addict, drinks 1-2 bottles per day. Takes MDMA, mushrooms etc on the regular. But won't stop to help her husband try to stay sober. In fact encourages her friends and family to use around him? Whitney taught him how to use a tampon applicator to snort coke? Say what?!! There was a very clear change in how she presented herself on the stand when she realized her innocent starlet act wasn't working. It was this false representation of herself as being the well intentioned savior, the moral police of JD which added to the jury and public not believing her claims. Her BPD and HPD wouldn't allow her to admit fault, to look bad. She demonized JD and propped herself up in her testimony. This, and the evidence submitted on both sides, led to her being found not to be credible. And acting in malice.

Forgot to add that all of the above is my opinion only.

 

[katydid23]

After trial, insiders say comeback will be ‘very hard’ for Amber Heard

I think AH will still be able to work. But I do have doubts that the bigger studios will want to employ her. I mean she is very litigious. CV was right in her closing arguments that AH burns bridges.

There's the whole London Fields lawsuit (which was settled):

Amber Heard and ‘London Fields’ Team End Controversial Legal Battle, Movie to Open After Three-Year Delay

When comedian Doug Stanhope spoke out about AH and JD in 2016, she slapped him with a lawsuit:

Amber Heard Drops Defamation Lawsuit Against Doug Stanhope


Then we have the claims she made against Warner Brothers over Aquaman 2. Walter Hamada (the president of the DC division) himself was forced to go on public record, summarily debunking her wild assertions that JD had anything to do with their decisions about her contract. I would assume this does not bode well in terms of their relationship with her going forward. Especially since plot points of the yet to be released movie were spoiled during testimony.

On top of that, we have upcoming investigations. One in Australia for perjury for the doggie documents. She was cleArly lying to the government there and that is a serious crime.

And she also lied to the judge in the UK trial about her 'donations' which were actually pledges and have never been paid. And the judge said in the ruling that one main reason was because Amber 'obviously' was not a gold digger since she gave all the money away to charity. Now the judge will have to question that ruling.

She is still very attractive but she is not the beautiful young hot starlet anymore. And that is how she got most of her film roles previously.

Anything she does now will have to be based upon her acting skills---and we have seen how she may be lacking there.

 

[catgurl420]

She was not released moments later, she spent a night in jail and arraigned the next day when the charges were then dropped. The arresting officer is an out and proud lesbian. More lies from AH.

Tasya released the statement where she called the arrest "misinterpreted" and "over-sensationalized," so if you don't think it's truthful, wouldn't Tasya be the one lying - not AH?

Besides, Tasya stated that she believed "two individuals in a powerful position" had "misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic."
IMO this means that the lesbian cop could've been complacent to the misogyny and homophobia of another cop.

^ All from the article: Amber Heard's past relationship with Tasya van Ree and accusations of violence

Not just that, but the 2003 driving while suspended arrest. Which obviously means she was arrested prior to that to get a suspended license for years in the first place.

She was a teenager, you can get your license suspended for many reasons. IMO a suspended license as a teenager doesn't have anything to do with the potential of being a domestic abuser as an adult. Also can you link please?