VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #12

[Trebor5591]

I watched the trial and I believe JD is such a troubled man who uses passive-aggressive tendencies, and so-called humor, to humiliate others. One example is when he called Mr Rottenborn Mr ROTTEN (pause) born. For someone whose lawyers pointed out how damaged he became over his own mother calling him One Eye, I found it especially degrading for JD to do the same thing in a court of law and then laugh about it and also to see others laughing along. For me, that showed his truest character for how stunted his personality is and how he subtly provokes others. For a man to call his wife the most degrading names like c**t and wh**re, destroy her clothing and wardrobe, write bizarre words on walls, destroy other people’s homes, hotel rooms and furniture, and on and on the evidence showed such turmoil, so many destructive, violent acts he pulled. Could any woman imagine being married to a man like that? His addictions, his sense of entitlement, his utter instability. Crazy-making! A person would have to be insane to go through life like that. Who would be able to sustain living in that environment? She might be better off to just find a way to pay him off and move on in life. So much better is waiting for her even if that means no more Hollywood. This is all MOO based on watching the trial because I didn’t know anything about either of them before. IMO.

This is just my opinion, and there may be some merit to what you say about JD - However his passive aggressive tendencies and his stunted personality, as you say, were not on trial. The trial was about AHs defamation of him by lying and claiming he beat her up, multiple times, which the jury determined to be false.

As far as AH deserving so much better--I am certain being married to JD was no picnic, with all of his drugs, but it appears she is the one who brought everything to an end through her own actions. Does she deserve better when she is the one destroying? Well, maybe she does, as do we all, but the tapes of her berating JD were disturbing to listen to. I caught not a glimpse of love in her. Frankly I would be surprised to see someone like her "move on" successfully, for she has built her life around her good looks and sex appeal, and she is no longer a hot young woman. As the movie producer said, she has very little "chemistry" in her relation to the Aquaman male star; she's actually appears to be a very cold fish in what I have seen of her on the big screen. I hope and pray she does turn her life around, but I have my doubts. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you for this!
It's sad to see how one-sided this thread has become, especially because back in 2016 it had many more objective posts. I hope more people can speak up about the mountain of evidence against JD. AH is not a perfect victim, nobody is. But if you look at the bigger picture of the case it becomes clear that AH was subject to physical and emotional abuse for years. I hope more people start to acknowledge this.

I do not believe that Amber was 'subject to physical and emotional abuse for years.'

I don't believe that at all. If she had been subject to physical abuse by him for years there would have been some corroborating evidence of physical injuries. We saw nothing of the kind.

JD had many long term relationships and not one person had any examples of him ever physically abusing anyone. None of his prior partners, nor his children nor his employees had any statements or testimony about him being abusive.

Yes, he was abusing drugs and alcohol and that could be a form of emotional abuse against one's partner, as he may scream or cuss and smash some objects, etc. But she did not seem to be afraid of him in that cabinet video she recorded. If she was really 'afraid for her life'-- as she claims-- why would she stay there and secretly record him as she questions him and prods him? And then she leaks out to TMZ? Would someone in mortal fear of their partner do that?

I think the bigger picture became clear to millions of people across the globe. Young Amber took advantage of her 'fat old rich husband' by setting him up by getting an unnecessary TRO and leaking phoney info to TMZ just in time for the divorce proceedings.

 

[katydid23]

Tasya released the statement where she called the arrest "misinterpreted" and "over-sensationalized," so if you don't think it's truthful, wouldn't Tasya be the one lying - not AH?

Besides, Tasya stated that she believed "two individuals in a powerful position" had "misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic."
IMO this means that the lesbian cop could've been complacent to the misogyny and homophobia of another cop.

^ All from the article: Amber Heard's past relationship with Tasya van Ree and accusations of violence

She was a teenager, you can get your license suspended for many reasons. IMO a suspended license as a teenager doesn't have anything to do with the potential of being a domestic abuser as an adult. Also can you link please?

No, the lesbian officer ALREADY testified that she herself witnessed AH being aggressive towards Tasya. AH grabbed her arm and then pulled a necklace off of her, which scraped her neck, leaving a mark. That is why the officer stepped forward to stop the aggression.

It is not homophobia to stop a woman from continuing aggression after pulling off someone's necklace while they are wearing it. IMO

As for the driver's license, FOUR YEARS is a very long time for a suspension. My son had 2 speeding tickets in a short time and his was suspended for 3 months as a teen. I cannot imagine what it takes for a 4 yr suspension. I think it would have to include a DUI and some damages or injuries to others to get 4 yrs suspended. JMO

 

[squareandrabbet]

Tasya released the statement where she called the arrest "misinterpreted" and "over-sensationalized," so if you don't think it's truthful, wouldn't Tasya be the one lying - not AH?

Besides, Tasya stated that she believed "two individuals in a powerful position" had "misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic."
IMO this means that the lesbian cop could've been complacent to the misogyny and homophobia of another cop.

^ All from the article: Amber Heard's past relationship with Tasya van Ree and accusations of violence

She was a teenager, you can get your license suspended for many reasons. IMO a suspended license as a teenager doesn't have anything to do with the potential of being a domestic abuser as an adult. Also can you link please?

The arresting officer testified in this trial, and also contemporaneously back in the day:

Amber Heard's Arresting Officer Speaks Out: 'I Am So Not Homophobic'

Beverly Leonard, who arrested Amber Heard in 2009, is speaking out about the incident

people.com

IMO, it’s just as easy to see ‘Tasya is full of it and/or was afraid of Amber because Amber treated her the same way she treated Johnny Depp’, as it is to see another version.

 

[katydid23]

MSN

www.msn.com

An insider told Us Weekly that Heard is "100 percent appealing on freedom of speech and is telling friends she is determined to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if she has to."

The added, "She is not able to comprehend that she lost."

In order to do that^^^, she will need to get a bond for about 10 million bucks. I wonder how she is going to do that?

It would have to be from a very rich friend because I don't think many other investors would bet on her winning on the freedom of speech excuse because it is not legally sound in this case. She cannot say anything she wants and not be sued in response.

 

[Kavya01]

Thank you for this!
It's sad to see how one-sided this thread has become, especially because back in 2016 it had many more objective posts. I hope more people can speak up about the mountain of evidence against JD. AH is not a perfect victim, nobody is. But if you look at the bigger picture of the case it becomes clear that AH was subject to physical and emotional abuse for years. I hope more people start to acknowledge this.

This is the woman who even REFUSED monthly $50,000 alimony payments because accepting them would mean there would be a restraining order for both sides, and she could not handle the thought of not being able to contact her Johnny -- JD telling her he was divorcing her was unbearable evidently. I am glad he got out with merely a missing finger tip. BPD/HD's can get very dangerous when provoked. Boiling bunnies, anyone?

 

[catgurl420]

I find it so interesting that JD wrote this piece about Harvey Weinstein:

Time 100: Harvey Weinstein

I wonder what the evidence would have been if AH's subpoena of Harvey Weinstein was granted:

Johnny Depp seeks to quash Amber Heard subpoena on Weinstein Company

IMO this + his relationship with Marilyn Manson (who has also been accused of abuse and assault by multiple people) show what kind of man JD actually is.

 

[catgurl420]

This is the woman who even REFUSED monthly $50,000 alimony payments because accepting them would mean there would be a restraining order for both sides, and she could not handle the thought of not being able to contact her Johnny -- JD telling her he was divorcing her was unbearable evidently. I am glad he got out with merely a missing finger tip. BPD/HD's can get very dangerous when provoked. Boiling bunnies, anyone?

I find it equally likely that she refused the alimony payments in the hope it would prove she wasn't a "gold-digger," as many people were calling her at the time

 

[Kavya01]

I find it equally likely that she refused the alimony payments in the hope it would prove she wasn't a "gold-digger," as many people were calling her at the time

IMHO she had already proven that she was a gold digger 12 times over by draining JD's funds on extravagancies over the years and having her fam and friends live rent-free in all his houses and schlepping them along on their travels.
I recall the reporting that AH wanted her alimony in one lump sum rather than monthly, as that way, the money would not have the pesky restraining order attached. She DID want the money, just not with the conditions attached. She proved even more clearly that she was indeed a gold-digger on top of being an abuser, when she merely pledged but never donated the millions to those two charities, and pocketed them for herself.

Trust me. She is most assuredly a gold digger. But of all the things she is, it's actually probably the least harmful thing. Which tells you a lot about why she cannot maintain relationships in her life.

 

[Brooke]

Boiling bunnies, anyone?

AH would be perfect in the role of Alex.

 

[Brooke]

I do not believe that Amber was 'subject to physical and emotional abuse for years.'

I believed Amber just like I believed Jodi Arias, which is to say, not at all.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

O/T DH and I watched Minamata tonight on Amazon Prime and it was a great movie based on a true story.

 

[katydid23]

I find it equally likely that she refused the alimony payments in the hope it would prove she wasn't a "gold-digger," as many people were calling her at the time

Then why did she accept the 7 million dollars cash?

And why did she object to him paying the 7 million to the charities of her choice?

 

[Forest_Wood]

This is just my opinion, and there may be some merit to what you say about JD - However his passive aggressive tendencies and his stunted personality, as you say, were not on trial. The trial was about AHs defamation of him by lying and claiming he beat her up, multiple times, which the jury determined to be false.

As far as AH deserving so much better--I am certain being married to JD was no picnic, with all of his drugs, but it appears she is the one who brought everything to an end through her own actions. Does she deserve better when she is the one destroying? Well, maybe she does, as do we all, but the tapes of her berating JD were disturbing to listen to. I caught not a glimpse of love in her. Frankly I would be surprised to see someone like her "move on" successfully, for she has built her life around her good looks and sex appeal, and she is no longer a hot young woman. As the movie producer said, she has very little "chemistry" in her relation to the Aquaman male star; she's actually appears to be a very cold fish in what I have seen of her on the big screen. I hope and pray she does turn her life around, but I have my doubts. MOO.

The trial was not about AH’s good looks and sex appeal either though?

I find her more beautiful now then when she was younger — and 36 is hardly old anyway in my opinion. She has her whole life ahead of her still. Her whole face lit up when she was asked about her daughter so she appears capable of love. Likely not with a long time drug abuser though.

Trying to have a relationship with someone strung out on drugs and alcohol all the time just doesn’t work.The chaos becomes too much for others to manage. People who get caught in the cross-fire can end up more “sick” than the addict because they try to manage (control) the other's behaviour patterns. I think there might have been a lot of triggering behaviours taking place — he from remnants of his mother’s abuse and she from her father’s alleged drug abuse and previous violence. MOO.

We did see evidence of that in the trial. Dr Kipper’s notes during his sessions with JD confirm their arguments about his resistance to get well. He also reported JD’s description of how the relationship improved tremendously when he “put the monster away”.

You are correct that this jury found her liable for defamation — and he was found liable for defamation as well, just not to the same degree.

It’s all very sad, and preventable, imo. The toxicity between them became too much for either of them to cope.

 

[neesaki]

DBM

 

[squareandrabbet]

Then why did she accept the 7 million dollars cash?

And why did she object to him paying the 7 million to the charities of her choice?

I’m guessing because she likes a lavish lifestyle and didn’t want to give it up:

What did Amber Heard do with Johnny Depp’s ‘spousal support’ money?

The whole world watched Depp and Heard’s court case, which, among other intimate details, revealed how the Aquaman actress splurged more than she earned after the former couple’s divorce …

www.scmp.com

$10,000 monthly rent; $60,000 A YEAR on luxury vacations; $5,000/month ‘entertainment and gifts’; $2,000/month on groceries, $2,000/month on eating out; $3,000/month on healthcare; these are fees her lawyers submitted as part of their demands…

Not a bad lifestyle rise for EB’s scrappy broke cowgirl from Texas, eh?

 

[Aussieboy]

Then why did she accept the 7 million dollars cash?

And why did she object to him paying the 7 million to the charities of her choice?

And why did EM pay a donation in her (honor) and it didn't come out of her pocket?

And why did AH expect Johnny to pay for repairs at the mechanics after they had separated?

And why did her original divorce settlement include free accommodation at 3 of johnny's penthouses and a Black Rangerover?

I smell a Gold Digger right there without mentioning another 100 things.


"Amber Heard demanded that Johnny Depp allow her to live rent-free in their apartments while he continued to pay the mortgage and utilities in exchange for keeping their increasingly messy divorce "out of the media spotlight."

The letter — sent from AH's attorney Samantha Spector to JD's lawyer Laura Wasser in 2016 after Heard filed for divorce from the "Pirates" star — also demanded $125,000 to cover attorney's fees and the "exclusive use and possession" of a black Range Rover that Depp would continue to make payments for. The letter was entered into evidence as Wasser testified about the details of the divorce.

https://www.insider.com/am

 

[Forest_Wood]

I’m guessing because she likes a lavish lifestyle and didn’t want to give it up:

What did Amber Heard do with Johnny Depp’s ‘spousal support’ money?

The whole world watched Depp and Heard’s court case, which, among other intimate details, revealed how the Aquaman actress splurged more than she earned after the former couple’s divorce …

www.scmp.com

$10,000 monthly rent; $60,000 A YEAR on luxury vacations; $5,000/month ‘entertainment and gifts’; $2,000/month on groceries, $2,000/month on eating out; $3,000/month on healthcare; these are fees her lawyers submitted as part of their demands…

Not a bad lifestyle rise for EB’s scrappy broke cowgirl from Texas, eh?

The question I have is why did JD even marry her? From his texts and evidence in the trial, he seemed to hate her long before the wedding occurred.

 

[katydid23]

MSN

www.msn.com

An insider told Us Weekly that Heard is "100 percent appealing on freedom of speech and is telling friends she is determined to take it all the way to the Supreme Court if she has to."

The added, "She is not able to comprehend that she lost."

From your link above:
"While the source told the publication that she has yet to fill out the paperwork, the actress is reportedly not "worried" about paying the Pirates of the Caribbean star as she is "convinced" she will win the appeal."

I guess she doesn't realise she needs to take out a bond on that 8 million she owes him before she can file an appeal. I bet that's why " she has yet to fill out the paperwork." [AS IF she would really be the one to fill it out anyway]

In America, we do have freedom of speech, protected and free from government censorship. But that doesn't mean we can’t be held accountable for our speech if new defame another person, maliciously. She still doesn't get that.

 

[Aussieboy]

The trial was not about AH’s good looks and sex appeal either though?

I find her more beautiful now then when she was younger — and 36 is hardly old anyway in my opinion. She has her whole life ahead of her still. Her whole face lit up when she was asked about her daughter so she appears capable of love. Likely not with a long time drug abuser though.

Trying to have a relationship with someone strung out on drugs and alcohol all the time just doesn’t work.The chaos becomes too much for others to manage. People who get caught in the cross-fire can end up more “sick” than the addict because they try to manage (control) the other's behaviour patterns. I think there might have been a lot of triggering behaviours taking place — he from remnants of his mother’s abuse and she from her father’s alleged drug abuse and previous violence. MOO.

We did see evidence of that in the trial. Dr Kipper’s notes during his sessions with JD confirm their arguments about his resistance to get well. He also reported JD’s description of how the relationship improved tremendously when he “put the monster away”.

You are correct that this jury found her liable for defamation — and he was found liable for defamation as well, just not to the same degree.

It’s all very sad, and preventable, imo. The toxicity between them became too much for either of them to cope.

What we think of age is unfortunately different when it comes in terms of Hollywood actors making it to the top, especially ones that haven't really earnt their ground with a history of exceptional acting.

AH is a known drug user and alcoholic herself, not many normal people take hallucinogenics on their wedding day? I don't think you've followed the trial very well.

I hope AH gets all the help and support that she needs to become a better person in life, being scorned and vindictive isn't going to help her any.