Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #2

[kant]

You guys, there are apparently places to smoke cigarettes inside the arena.

There are restrooms inside the arena.

They dont re-admit from outside even if you have the ticket. Iow, if you're out, you're out-- unless you purchase another ticket. (That's how I understand it anyhoo..)

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[kant]

Dunno... It seems to me that if she only wanted to see a married boyfriend she could have more easily done it without vanishing and attracting all the attention from her family and friends, media and LE. She could easily have said that she was going to visit a friend in another state or got a temporary job out of town or something. Doing a disappearing act would just have meant that she'd had more explaining to do if and when she returned and the married guy might have surfaced.

Yes, I agree, but what if she intended to see him for merely one over-nighter and something went wrong - either a third party intervention or the dude was not who she thought he was.

She had told the 'rents aka parents that she was sleeping at Harrisonburg that Sat. night (that school - i forgot the name) so she was "covered" for that night.

Would she have met someone ...IDK... online who said he was married etc? and "let's meet.. HERE." But he is really a predator, and she didn't know that obviously b/c he seemed charming, cute, convincing, whatever. (?)

IDK

 

[ChasingMoxie]

Some key piece is missing from this.

WHAT IS IT?

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We need info from the friends. I hope to God that LE is just withholding additional information they received from her friends, because they are our best chance at finding her and we have heard NOTHING from them.

A few things:

- She couldn't have called them to "say she was okay and had a ride" because they wouldn't have been able to hear her. It had to be a text message.

- That text may not have even been her, for all we know. If there was only one text, and that's all it says, it seems pretty hinky.

- If she sent a message saying she was stuck outside, there HAD to be some sort of exchange, what kind of friends receive that and just say "oh, okay, well seeya!"?

- If there was an exchange and she indicated that she was with someone and safe it seems like there would be some information on who it was. You would think the text would have to have said something. Anything. "I met up with a friend from UV" - something more than "I'm fine! Bye!"

 

[eyespeeled]

kant-the key piece of evidence missing is either from the fone, or the friends, and maybe LE doesnt know it? idk...just like when the father said where the fone was found..we were all like "oohhh." and our theories changed.

 

[hyldo]

You guys, there are apparently places to smoke cigarettes inside the arena.

There are restrooms inside the arena.

They dont re-admit from outside even if you have the ticket. Iow, if you're out, you're out-- unless you purchase another ticket. (That's how I understand it anyhoo..)

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There are no indoor smoking areas. There are outdoor smoking areas located near two of the upper-level sections.

http://www.johnpauljonesarena.com/about.asp

Smoking

John Paul Jones Arena is a smoke free facility. Outdoor smoking sections are provided at Sections 301 & 315

 

[eyespeeled]

cmoxie-we,re on the same wave. but say the friend's bf was hitting/flirting w/ MH and her friend became angry/jealous....maybe a message like "ill b at the car or catch a ride home with so and so" was sent and the friend was like "whatever do what you want backstabber." maybe the fone died or she dropped it after that...whats weird is we never heard she tried to text or call them again--figured she would have at least said, how was the concert? kwim , ,,or thanx for leaving me at the door, ive just been kidnapped-just kidding with that one.

 

[MBLover]

Many things puzzle me, and this may well be the case. IDK. But I cant figure why she would NEED a cover. She doesn't live at home. She has an apt with a roommate which ~ 30 mins or so drive from her parents.

I'm not disputing the idea b/c to me it is plausible for someone to use a concert as cover; but the WHY stumps me. She's not 15, living at home; She's 20, living off compus, somewhat away from parents and she's a Jr in college. The WHY ...why would she need a cover for a dude? It stumps me.

Anyone?

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I don't believe that she used this concert as a cover. But one reason that comes to mind if this is the scenario...

Parents were paying her way for everything - from school to apartment to groceries and other various living expenses... This could explain why, if things were kept from her parents.... Maybe there was a threat of if you don't do this or that or the other then we will withdraw our financial help.

 

[Chili Fries]

Some key piece is missing from this.

WHAT IS IT?

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In my opinion the key piece revolves around her getting a ride back like Chasing Moxie pointed out.

 

[Money Girl]

FC,
Have you read the charts for this case in the Forensic Astrologist section?

 

[Chili Fries]

Yes, I agree and poster Chili Fires (or was it C6?) mentioned a possible professor liaison which would require discretion; but still, she has an apt away from her parents. But you're saying perhaps it's not only the parents that she's dodging, but perhaps other apt residents would be nosy. Yeah... that's true.

How do we dig that up? What classes is she taking?

Yes that was my thought. If a student dates a prof does that put his job in jeopardy? If it does they would probably have to keep it secret even from her friends.

 

[kant]

but I'm not going to because I HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO INSINUATE THAT, and to do so would be inflammatory and irresponsible and distracting from the search, not to mention hurtful to the people who actually care about her. I think it is inflammatory AND irresponsible for those posters who have insinuated (oh sorry, "thrown out the possibility") that she went outside to smoke crack or use heroin.

I thought this site was supposed to be about working with the evidence that we do have and going from there, not pulling baseless scenarios out of our a$$es. and there is only one thing we KNOW FOR CERTAIN from her photos - and not from what we think we know of 'that scene' or of her group of friends, of which we know very little - was that she smoked cigarettes, at least socially. is it very very possible and therefore much more likely then that she went outside to smoke a cigarette? yes. sometimes, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, not a figure 8 crack-laced rollercoaster ride.

[snip] and bbm

I agree that we dont know that she is a drug abuser or even a user.

I'm not saying that she is perfect nor am I saying that I think her parents know every move she makes. But for someone who goes home mid-week and most weekends (paraphrased from parents account of her routine) it's a little more difficult to hide rx issues, (depending on the substance) be they sudden weight flucuations, pinpoint pupils, persistent blood-shot eyes absent late nights, munchies, paranoia, "window-weeping," scratching, abnormal figeting, out-of-the norm and/or unexplained sleep disturbances, the list goes on. Im saying that it's a more difficult feat to pull off successfully while popping home midweek and weekends. Not impossible, but more difficult....in my opinion.

...especially if your parents are a nurse and a psychiatrist.

To me being a metal enthusiast does not = drug use even casually, in my opinion. It does somewhat suggest that she's not unbearably uncomfortable being around that environment; But it doesn't unequivocally prove for a fact that she partakes - even if her friends and others do.

MOO
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(Did I just say, "be they?")



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[tarheellvr]

We need info from the friends. I hope to God that LE is just withholding additional information they received from her friends, because they are our best chance at finding her and we have heard NOTHING from them.

A few things:

- She couldn't have called them to "say she was okay and had a ride" because they wouldn't have been able to hear her. It had to be a text message.

- That text may not have even been her, for all we know. If there was only one text, and that's all it says, it seems pretty hinky.

- If she sent a message saying she was stuck outside, there HAD to be some sort of exchange, what kind of friends receive that and just say "oh, okay, well seeya!"?

- If there was an exchange and she indicated that she was with someone and safe it seems like there would be some information on who it was. You would think the text would have to have said something. Anything. "I met up with a friend from UV" - something more than "I'm fine! Bye!"

I think you're right regarding the text message as it is very loud in the arena. My husband got several calls on his cell on Sun.....Metallica show, Charlotte....and he never heard the first one. In fact, he even had a text and never knew that either until we were outside. We could barely talk to each other without yelling.

As for the smoking....if Morgan had frequented the arena as it's been said she has, she knew of the smoking "balcony" and would have gone there to smoke. I still don't think she accidently got/went outside. I firmly believe she had a purpose, but what purpose? Once outside and realizing her predicament of not being able to reenter, I'm quite sure she was angry...anybody would have been. She probably did stand around for a while....hence the sightings.

I don't think this concert was a cover, nor do I think anything was planned secretly with a b/friend or male aquaintance. As bad as I hate to say it, I think for what ever reason, once outside, she walked far enough away and became less visible. She was then approached/taken/attacked/etc and taken from the area. I think it was quick and simple. I honestly don't think she is alive and I pray, for her family's sake, her body can be found.

God bless Morgan..........may she soon be found.

 

[kant]

Yes that was my thought. If a student dates a prof does that put his job in jeopardy? If it does they would probably have to keep it secret even from her friends.

Yes.

And I learned everything I know about folks having affairs from TV heh, but yes, if seems that if he (if there is a clandestine "he" at all, that is, and we dont know) if he were an unmarried professor of hers, I believe that his job's days would likely be numbered. Also, if our hypthetical person in this speculative theory were married, that would add a whole 'nother can-of-worms element with which to contend.

moo

 

[Waddles]

Many things puzzle me, and this may well be the case. IDK. But I cant figure why she would NEED a cover. She doesn't live at home. She has an apt with a roommate which ~ 30 mins or so drive from her parents.

I'm not disputing the idea b/c to me it is plausible for someone to use a concert as cover; but the WHY stumps me. She's not 15, living at home; She's 20, living off compus, somewhat away from parents and she's a Jr in college. The WHY ...why would she need a cover for a dude? It stumps me.

Anyone?

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yeah my thoughts exactly, never believed that idea at all

 

[Waddles]

We need info from the friends. I hope to God that LE is just withholding additional information they received from her friends, because they are our best chance at finding her and we have heard NOTHING from them.

A few things:

- She couldn't have called them to "say she was okay and had a ride" because they wouldn't have been able to hear her. It had to be a text message.

- That text may not have even been her, for all we know. If there was only one text, and that's all it says, it seems pretty hinky.

- If she sent a message saying she was stuck outside, there HAD to be some sort of exchange, what kind of friends receive that and just say "oh, okay, well seeya!"?

- If there was an exchange and she indicated that she was with someone and safe it seems like there would be some information on who it was. You would think the text would have to have said something. Anything. "I met up with a friend from UV" - something more than "I'm fine! Bye!"

I really wonder if LE has anything at all -they were really grabbing onto those videos even after it was completely discounted and proven it wasn't her-and reports were that Dad thought it poss it was her too-so that she might have managed to get back into the concert-meaning they really have little to go by at all

 

[eyespeeled]

if she was taken by college dudes, then i doubt shes alive, which sux to say. i think maybe she had a falling out with the friends, which theyre tryin to cover...and i wonder if LE is using her FB account for info. b/c maybe some stuff was deleted on sunday, so getting a backup version from fri or sat can tell if someone told her where to party that nite?

 

[kant]

FC,
Have you read the charts for this case in the Forensic Astrologist section?

I'm not FC, but I have comment to add about the astro thread info on Morgan. I'll post it there, but I have a comment here since it was brought up.

excerpt:
"Her planets were broadly activated by the transits that night. Mars was on her Sun, Pluto on her Uranus and Neptune opposite her own Mars. This last is notorious for causing noxious effects from any chemical ingested, even prescribed medicine.

It doesnt specify (that I know of) whether the implication is that she intentionally ingested something (if she did ingest anything, hypothetically, that is) or if she were slipped something.

Also, "chemical " can be other things i. e. aspartame etc. (Sweetener in diet soda for example.) Imo, the way I read it so far is that it doesn't specify that the chemical is an illegal or recreational drug (that I know of) or whether she chose to or knowingly ingested it. Not arguing, just describing how the reading came across to me. (If I misread it, correct me if needed - no problem.)

 

[petresq_algc]

kant- there are 2 types of phones- 1 is SIM where most stuff is stored on the chip, but newer phones have their own memory. the other is cdma, likeverizon/sprint, that uses the phone memory, regardless of the battery- forensics can now tell when a fone was powered off (like how does ur fone now what time it is when its off). if we assume the purse/fone were less relevant, for a minute, like if she just forgot them in the bathroom, where does that put our theories?
-she was in section 312-look at my very 2nd post-i have all info of where she was, and of other guys who were in her section, including people who had open invite parties at various hotels.
-if u look at clips of opening bands, ask urself if u culd stand to be in the hot/potsmelling/death metal area and not need some air?
-still dont know where her tikstub was, with forgoten purse?
-bak to the uva party, do her friends hav relatives/SOs their or at the party? or did they talk about going somewhere after?
-how come she didnt borrow a fone and call her friends if she was still in the area when the concert was over? did the friends miss some calls from numbers to their fones?
-back to the paperlady, who mite recog a skanky-looking girl w/ 3 duded at 345am, and think the same thing the dudes were-did she see a fone/purse w/ morgan(obvious MH had no where to hide stuff, kwim)-MH outfit wouldnt hav been ok for a frat party, where she,s alone-we know what msg thatd send
-if we knew about the academical village sighting, SAM could at least have gone there to post flyers, since there arent any where she was spotd?
-are LE tryin to act as the heat is off so perp/s will come out of hiding?
-do u think the bogus friends were threatened to keep their mouths shut by a perp?

Good grief! Did a witness actually refer to Morgan as a skanky looking girl? Wow! Her outfit was not at all unusual for concert attire.

 

[eyespeeled]

i agree its ok concert attire, but a frat party, no-the paperlady was like man, that skirt is hiked all the way up her hips, or something to that end. i think LE should release one new piece of evidence a day for us. and 2, does anyone know whiskey75, who was at the concert, in same section 312?

 

[kant]

There are no indoor smoking areas. There are outdoor smoking areas located near two of the upper-level sections.

http://www.johnpauljonesarena.com/about.asp

Sorry, yes. I meant I understood it to be that you can smoke without leaving the arena. Iow words she could have smoked a cig without leaving the arena and getting barred re-entry. Is that correct? Sorry I didn't say it right. Thanks tho.