Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #6

[LookyLu]

I think this whole" MH is not as innocent as she seems" business is what is causing so much confusion and baffling LE behavior.I think the friends are either not being truthful or were too wasted to really have a good grasp on what happened hence the delay in raising the alarm. I think LE were less than enthusiastic at first for this same reason.If we are to accept this situation at face value there is no reason for there to be STILL unanswered questions about the car,the boyfriend, the chin injury etc etc...I KNOW I'm not the only one who feels there are holes in this story.

No Newshound. I think many of us feel there are holes in this story....and yes sadly, tons of unanswered questions. I just hope SOMETHING starts to make some sense to someone out there soon and pray Morgan is found.

 

[krazykidz]

very interesting about the witness seeing morgan sick and being helped out by her friends. good points made by all in response, too, about drugs. you know it could have just been alcohol that seemed to suddenly make her sick. i was at a party once in my early 20s when we were all drinking these milkshake thingies with vodka and other liquor. they tasted so good, i was practically chugging them. was having a good ol time feeling buzzed, no big deal...when all of a sudden i was as wasted as a football bat. threw up in every bush outside and woke up the next morning wrapped around a stereo speaker. and i was a pretty responsible kid with good grades...ok i was a bit of a hellraiser, but anyway...just an example

 

[tarheellvr]

Just wanted to share something here. A HFMDH FB site regular who was one of the people who were alarmed about NK and called it in to the head of the investigation at FBI (who is a woman), private messaged me. Her ex is FBI, and she said she was dismayed at the attitude he (ex boyfriend in FBI) expressed about MH, alluding to the fact that she is not as innocent as made out to be, and that MH's history and behaviour at concert led LE to believe she put herself in this mess as was her habit. Isn't that awful? I really hope her being looked down on and judged has not hampered the investigation in any way.

This validates my feelings I've had from the get go even more. I've always thought she didn't just "wind up outside"....she purposely went outside. But why?? IMO, as I've stated before, she was meeting someone. Boyfriend? Girlfriend? Dealer? Going back to car for drugs/alcohol?

Putting everything together is why I feel as I do. Go back to high school....nobody changes schools in their SR year. There was a reason and IMO it had to do with behavioral issues... ie: drugs, kicked out of school, parents finding out something really bad, etc.
Next are the FB pages/pictures of some of her friends. It's more than obvious they were into the drug scene. I'm not passing judgement here, just stating facts. The language used, inuendos about getting high, in many pictures one or more had a drink in hand....all this makes me think Morgan and her crowd were indeed on the wild side.
Then you have her parents....bless their hearts they are obviously clueless as to her life and who she really is. Like many kids, I think Morgan purposely kept them in the dark, especially after whatever happened her SR year in high school.
Her friends aren't/weren't being truthful....again obvious by the confusion over the car. What are they hiding? This is obvious to me.....they're hiding hard partying with lost of drugs/alcohol and hook-ups with lots of guys. And one of the dads just happens to be LE....even more reason to hide facts and not come clean.
IMO They were all stoned/high/jacked and because of their condition, didn't think about the seriousness of the situation. But when I think of their statement regarding waiting around in the parking lot for her....again makes me realize by that time, they were more lucid and less stoned and the reality of Morgan not being there was more on their minds than before.
IMO she did fall inside the arena...a result of being high/drunk. Was she sick? If she was, IMO it was the result of drugs/alcohol. Yes, she was frustrated and pi**ed outside as witnesses reported. Whatever she went out for "fell through" and she knew she couldn't get back in. I think she did walk through the parking lots. I think she probably did drop her bag because she was high. I think the effects of the drugs/alcohol made her an easy target for some sicko. Her actions, where she walked make me believe her cognitive decision making ability was impaired and she was basically a "sitting duck" for whomever took/abducted her...and IMO this is what happened to her.
Don't get me wrong here.....of course my heart aches for Morgan and her family. No matter what condition she was in, she never, ever asked for or deserved what happened to her. I'm just stating my views and what I think in this situation.
Whatever LE knows and "feels" about Morgan, her friends and this case won't hamper their investigation of what happened to her. This I have to believe. IMO they know much, much more than we ever will. I honestly think they feel she is probbly deceased and was probably killed by her abductor/abductors. I hope with all my heart Morgan is found, but the more days that pass cause me to wonder if they ever will find her. I'm not being pessimistic here...simply realistic. Morgan's family needs peace and closure. Being in limbo and not knowing is absolutely the most horrific thing I can imagine for any parent. No parent deserves pain of this magnitude.


God bless Morgan......May she soon be found.

 

[Waddles]

This validates my feelings I've had from the get go even more. I've always thought she didn't just "wind up outside"....she purposely went outside. But why?? IMO, as I've stated before, she was meeting someone. Boyfriend? Girlfriend? Dealer? Going back to car for drugs/alcohol?

Putting everything together is why I feel as I do. Go back to high school....nobody changes schools in their SR year. There was a reason and IMO it had to do with behavioral issues... ie: drugs, kicked out of school, parents finding out something really bad, etc.
Next are the FB pages/pictures of some of her friends. It's more than obvious they were into the drug scene. I'm not passing judgement here, just stating facts. The language used, inuendos about getting high, in many pictures one or more had a drink in hand....all this makes me think Morgan and her crowd were indeed on the wild side.
Then you have her parents....bless their hearts they are obviously clueless as to her life and who she really is. Like many kids, I think Morgan purposely kept them in the dark, especially after whatever happened her SR year in high school.
Her friends aren't/weren't being truthful....again obvious by the confusion over the car. What are they hiding? This is obvious to me.....they're hiding hard partying with lost of drugs/alcohol and hook-ups with lots of guys. And one of the dads just happens to be LE....even more reason to hide facts and not come clean.
IMO They were all stoned/high/jacked and because of their condition, didn't think about the seriousness of the situation. But when I think of their statement regarding waiting around in the parking lot for her....again makes me realize by that time, they were more lucid and less stoned and the reality of Morgan not being there was more on their minds than before.
IMO she did fall inside the arena...a result of being high/drunk. Was she sick? If she was, IMO it was the result of drugs/alcohol. Yes, she was frustrated and pi**ed outside as witnesses reported. Whatever she went out for "fell through" and she knew she couldn't get back in. I think she did walk through the parking lots. I think she probably did drop her bag because she was high. I think the effects of the drugs/alcohol made her an easy target for some sicko. Her actions, where she walked make me believe her cognitive decision making ability was impaired and she was basically a "sitting duck" for whomever took/abducted her...and IMO this is what happened to her.
Don't get me wrong here.....of course my heart aches for Morgan and her family. No matter what condition she was in, she never, ever asked for or deserved what happened to her. I'm just stating my views and what I think in this situation.
Whatever LE knows and "feels" about Morgan, her friends and this case won't hamper their investigation of what happened to her. This I have to believe. IMO they know much, much more than we ever will. I honestly think they feel she is probbly deceased and was probably killed by her abductor/abductors. I hope with all my heart Morgan is found, but the more days that pass cause me to wonder if they ever will find her. I'm not being pessimistic here...simply realistic. Morgan's family needs peace and closure. Being in limbo and not knowing is absolutely the most horrific thing I can imagine for any parent. No parent deserves pain of this magnitude.


God bless Morgan......May she soon be found.

So agree with every single word above tarheellvr!

And I know, I can't imagine the agony of being in limbo. Not knowing if your child is alive or dead, if she suffered tremendously, or if she is still out there suffering or even if she has abandoned you-the latter two scenarios being the only hope to cling to. Must be just the worst thing. They need answers and closure.

 

[SuziQ]

Thanks, are dogs therefore looking for both an individual's personal live scent and a general human decomp smell?

It depends on what kind of dogs were used, general search or specifically trained cadaver dogs? Cadaver dogs are only trained to hit on decomp.

 

[lilacwine]

It was legal because it was chemically produced and there wasn't a law to prevent its use. It wasn't classified because it didn't technically exist... designer drugs were what they were called.

What if this was a bad drug experience.. perhaps accidental or not on her part... and people covered at first to not get caught... never expecting so much attention.

 

[part time prof]

The shopping area is where I'm talking about is here:

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.as...2NTEyNDc2JmNpZD00MjVDQkIzNTQ2ODE5RDk1ITU5Mw==


on that map

Did I label the field wrong? yes, but I was talking about the area where her pocket book was found, there is a shopping center past that little field area over the railroad tracks, or if you take the bridge it's to the right coming from the direction she was traveling.
And when it's cold and you've been locked out of a concert with 2 hours to kill, sitting down in a warm place would be appealing to anyone imo.
I'm not from the area she disappeared and never been there, so I'm going by what I see on the maps.
MH did know the area though so she had to know there would be a place to get something to eat and get warm over the bridge. Why else walk all that way to that area in the first place?

Considering MH getting locked out of the arena was unplanned, the only thing that makes sense is MH was spotted by someone outside who is either a known sex offender or unknown sex offender (to LE), and he was hanging around the area looking for vulnerable young girls from the University, or maybe he just spotted her while on his way to somewhere, and the predatory excitement level kicked in and he "had" to have her, and so he nabbed her.
I don't think there is a big convoluted drama to this disappearance. I think it is what it is; a random act of violence by a stranger, and that's why there are not a lot of clues.
If MH ran off, or this was someone she knew who she called to come get her, I think we'd have more information. Especially considering her cell was found and phone records can be pulled.

Please don't think me critical about your labeling of fields, I just wanted to understand what you were saying. In my looking at the map, from Lannigan Field (the triangular open parking area) heading toward the shopping center one would cross brush, trees, railroad tracks, but I still don't see any open area, other than the main baseball field, which is almost due west. I may be missing something.

That detail doesn't really matter, though, so sorry to make a big deal of it. The key is for whatever reason, she was on the bridge heading somewhere, and the shopping center (perhaps the restaurant or grocery store I mentioned earlier) was a likely target, as would be an ATM (to get cash to buy a scalped ticket and get back in) or the 7-11 (to buy more smokes or some food to wait it out), or heading for main grounds, or the desire to catch a cab in a more traveled spot.

Regardless, she either had already dropped her purse or returned from wherever to Lannigan Field where she dropped/lost/forgot her purse, or didn't return but someone returned the purse (contents mostly intact).

Whose car did she get in seems to me the key question.

 

[Hoosll]

IMO she did fall inside the arena...a result of being high/drunk. Was she sick? If she was, IMO it was the result of drugs/alcohol. Yes, she was frustrated and pi**ed outside as witnesses reported. Whatever she went out for "fell through" and she knew she couldn't get back in. I think she did walk through the parking lots. I think she probably did drop her bag because she was high. I think the effects of the drugs/alcohol made her an easy target for some sicko. Her actions, where she walked make me believe her cognitive decision making ability was impaired and she was basically a "sitting duck" for whomever took/abducted her...and IMO this is what happened to her.

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I can only imagine how hard the Harringtons had to work to convince LE that their daughter who was attending a heavy metal concert did not choose to just go off with someone she met ... the first 24 hours was all about "come home" "take the test" - as though perhaps she had made an unwise decision. Also, I thought it was funny that her parents stationed themselves in Roanoke rather than Charlottesville ....

As for LE, they are facing a case without any clues; perhaps, they are getting conflicting stories from friends and parents; the "crime scene" is a parking lot with easy access to many escape routes; just what percentage of concertgoers were from outside Chville ... this was a young adult who may have been impaired ....

The perp(s): Was this a hunting trip; has he done this before; just opportunity too good to resist

 

[krazykidz]

you know i knew a sweet sweet guy in highschool who became violent when he drank. he was a completely different person and like a sleepwalker cause he wouldn't remember. actually, that's called a blackout...but, anyway, maybe morgan became belligerent and hostile beginning with fighting with her group and then those she came in contact with outside. there are a few of the altercation witness stories. maybe when she talked to her friends inside, she was hostile and yelled she felt like crap and would find them later. i dunno. if she was not acting rationally...or told them to leave her alone...

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

This story get stranger and stranger. I got bad vibes from watching Sarah Snead speak.
It felt like oh well...
Perhaps they fought over a guy? Who was the guy they picked up?
Jealousy can be a powerful force combined with booze and drugs.
Female friends never abandon their own friend at a concert.

The instant I watched Sarah Snead, this case turned into a Lifetime Murder Movie: frumpy friend is jealous of dazzling beauty bff. And I thought the friends were suspicious BEFORE I saw this interview of Sarah!

jmo

 

[part time prof]

What are people's thoughts on post #49. I guess there wouldn't be much truth in it because if there was there would be more people at concert who saw it?

Could be true. The version where he observes them leave with sick MH then come back without sets up her inadvertently walking out to throw up again (lines to bathrooms too long) then being denied re-entry. Why not reported if plausible? LE may have their reasons and have declined to talk about MH's state.

The version where he actually escorts her out seems more far-fetched to me, but if this good Samaritan did physically lead her out of the arena, then that would also explain her being stuck outside (though one thinks he would help there as well if his helping was genuine, imho).

 

[evelyn24]

I think this whole" MH is not as innocent as she seems" business is what is causing so much confusion and baffling LE behavior.I think the friends are either not being truthful or were too wasted to really have a good grasp on what happened hence the delay in raising the alarm. I think LE were less than enthusiastic at first for this same reason.If we are to accept this situation at face value there is no reason for there to be STILL unanswered questions about the car,the boyfriend, the chin injury etc etc...I KNOW I'm not the only one who feels there are holes in this story.

I think LE knows everything but probably feel certain facts are irrelevant to finding out what happened to MH, and the public doesn't need to know about it.
Just like the fall inside the arena they felt was not relevant information to share with the public. It's all because some people are ignorant and judgmental, especially with women.
If MH was on something (which I'm guessing she was) and wandering around the back of the arena clearing her head, some people might not care as much about helping find her because she "was asking for it."
It's weird that people think this way, but they do.

 

[Waddles]

Could be true. The version where he observes them leave with sick MH then come back without sets up her inadvertently walking out to throw up again (lines to bathrooms too long) then being denied re-entry. Why not reported if plausible? LE may have their reasons and have declined to talk about MH's state.

The version where he actually escorts her out seems more far-fetched to me, but if this good Samaritan did physically lead her out of the arena, then that would also explain her being stuck outside (though one thinks he would help there as well if his helping was genuine, imho).

Thanks. I didn't see that version :waitasec:

going to have another read

 

[secret_agent_mom]

Reading the last few posts have upset me so much. I think I need to take a break from all of this for a while. I just sat here fo about 40 minutes with tears rolling down my face. IMO - why Morgan was outside doesn't matter...if she was drunk high or both - it doesn't matter...if she has a pattern of bad behavior or poor choices...it doesn't matter. If she brought these awful circumstances upon herself...it doesn't matter. She is gone and deserves to be found and returned to her family where she is very loved.

 

[part time prof]

Could be true. The version where he observes them leave with sick MH then come back without sets up her inadvertently walking out to throw up again (lines to bathrooms too long) then being denied re-entry. Why not reported if plausible? LE may have their reasons and have declined to talk about MH's state.

The version where he actually escorts her out seems more far-fetched to me, but if this good Samaritan did physically lead her out of the arena, then that would also explain her being stuck outside (though one thinks he would help there as well if his helping was genuine, imho).

Here is something I've been thinking on MH's reported "mental states" and other details, with my notes. This includes verified sightings reported by LE and other unofficial things that are out there.

Arrival at Arena - psyched about Metallica, not opening acts, not visibly impaired

In seats - acting wild, eyewitness concerned about her falling over railing

In seats (later) - sick, as per principal's friend's report

Outside arena - pissed about re-entry policy and joke about Pantera shirt; little forthcoming from security guard; seemingly composed (or angry or confused, but no reports of that, only speculation) on 8:48 phone call

In main JPJ parking - stumbling and dropping purse

Walking in UHall parking lot - I'm thinking that was lots of time to cover not much ground, meaning she was hitting up scalpers or maybe walking and texting? She was not clearly with anyone, not in obvious distress, still carrying her purse.

Brief interaction in R.V. lot - little known about this, but no reports of distress, sickness, or topics of conversation (or with whom, except that they left, apparently confirmed, shortly thereafter). No mention of purse.

On Copeley Bridge - seen on both sides (closer to Lannigan/UHall/Arena then closer to Ivy Road and strip shopping centers), with no mentions of being with anyone, being impaired, being in obvious distress, or texting while walking. No mention of purse.

Later in main JPJ lot (iirc), Grandmother there to pick up grand kids after concert reports seeing an altercation with one man, though I don't think she said whether they then left together or apart or in which direction.

Later on Emmet Street heading toward UVA - report of seeing her with 3 men. Don't recall that she (if it was even MH) was thought to be in distress.

Later still (3:00 or 3:30 a.m.) in Academical Village - report by newspaper delivery woman of seeing her with 3 men, but no mention of distress or impairment.

Not sure when - people who stood up in search organizing meeting to say they saw MH with 3 men, but I didn't hear what time they were claiming this happened or where (was it also Academical Village and they were coming from a wedding reception?).

I'm not sure what this all suggests, but I keep thinking if we knew what she was seeking in leaving the arena and in walking wherever she was going that that might unlock something. And, again, LE might know and not be revealing.

 

[Waddles]

Reading the last few posts have upset me so much. I think I need to take a break from all of this for a while. I just sat here fo about 40 minutes with tears rolling down my face. IMO - why Morgan was outside doesn't matter...if she was drunk high or both - it doesn't matter...if she has a pattern of bad behavior or poor choices...it doesn't matter. If she brought these awful circumstances upon herself...it doesn't matter. She is gone and deserves to be found and returned to her family where she is very loved.

So very very true, secret_agent_mom, thank you for posting this.

I'm sorry how upsetting all this has been for you and us all, and I think a break is a good idea. On this note I'm signing off for the night.

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[newshound6]

Reading the last few posts have upset me so much. I think I need to take a break from all of this for a while. I just sat here fo about 40 minutes with tears rolling down my face. IMO - why Morgan was outside doesn't matter...if she was drunk high or both - it doesn't matter...if she has a pattern of bad behavior or poor choices...it doesn't matter. If she brought these awful circumstances upon herself...it doesn't matter. She is gone and deserves to be found and returned to her family where she is very loved.

Of course we feel this way- but if LE does not- and if the friends were evasive because of their own actions we may never know the facts -and if the facts aren't really known how can any of our brain storming even be of value?

 

[Mels3kidz]

What confuses me the most out of all this though is that first of all, why did she go outside at all? She just had to use the restroom right so why does that require leaving the arena completely?

That's the mystery question. Speculation is that she went out to smoke (the smoking area is near the stage and she might have inadvertantly stepped outside it).

They won't let her back in because she doesn't have her ticket stub for some reason. Well, who has it? One of the friends? At the very least why wouldn't one of them come to the door and at least try to see what's going on and why she can't get back in. There's something missing there. Why can't they come and meet her at the door, unless she can't reach them for some reason.

It wouldn't have mattered if she had a dozen ticket stubs. The JPJ arena has a no reentry policy.


Melissa

 

[truthsleuth]

Aww, secret_agent_mom, I understand completely. I thought for certain Morgan would be found by now, one way or the other, and yet nothing is really settled, absolutely nothing. One of her friends should have gone down to wait with her while she was locked out. After all, not one of the friends paid for their ticket--Morgan's father did. One of her friends should have cared more about her. They could have gone for coffee together to wait for the others.

Morgan didn't deserve this. No one does. And that is what rips at the heart the most.

If you do decide to take a break, you will be greatly missed around here. But please do what is best for you.

 

[part time prof]

Thanks. I didn't see that version :waitasec:

going to have another read

[sheepishly] No, I'm the one who misread the first paragraph as being different from the second (with the principal himself helping MH out of the arena, not the friends)...geez. Sorry to waste bandwidth/attention.