GUILTY VA - NFL QB Michael Vick, 3 others indicted for dog fighting, Surry County, 2007

[JB Fletcher]

Well imo it is not a privilege. Only the best athletes in the world make the teams... not just anyone. If driving is a privilege, after paying off a ticket or spending time in jail... you can get your driver's license back and begin driving again. How is it really different?

Are you seriously comparing driving a car to playing in the NFL? :waitasec:

 

[JB Fletcher]

I just don't know how he could be refused his job after completing his punishment in America... the home of second chances.

Just because someone serves their court mandated time does not mean there won't be further consequences in life for their misdeeds. The time served does not automatically entitle them to their previous life.

 

[dgfred]

Committing a crime doesn not mean you cannot return to society in the just about the same circumstances if you have served your punishment.

Nobody is saying they like Vick or approve of him playing football, it is just he has served his time, been reinstated by the NFL and CAN play if any team wants him and can wade through the negative PR, that is the consequences... jeez.

Nobody was comparing playing in the NFL to driving, it was an example... double jeez!

 

[Steely Dan]

Committing a crime doesn not mean you cannot return to society in the just about the same circumstances if you have served your punishment.

Nobody is saying they like Vick or approve of him playing football, it is just he has served his time, been reinstated by the NFL and CAN play if any team wants him and can wade through the negative PR, that is the consequences... jeez.

Nobody was comparing playing in the NFL to driving, it was an example... double jeez!

I think it's just as easy as what I said before. If you were called in by your by your boss and asked if you were participating in a felony dog fighting ring and you said no. Then the CEO calls you to his office and you tell him the same lie, you don't think you have a right to work for them again do you?

He can work anywhere else in the world, football is not a right. It's a privilege. Commissioner Goodelll agrees because he said so in the letter he sent Vick.

 

[Carla Lashelle]

I have thought about this a while... and I do not watch a lot of football etc. America (I am of Ukranian background) it can be very hypocritical.

In theory for the average person that goes to jail, the idea is they go to jail, serve the time the judge gives them, are released back into the community, and are expected and encourged to go back to work, be productive, etc. Especially if the crime committed is not related to work. Obviously a child molester shouldnt go back to work at a day care, etc. So if I work in a factory, go to jail for a while, when I get out, I am assumed to be able to go back to work. But a "star" for soome reason that rationale does not apply. Anyone else in Vick's situation would want lawyers to help them out, go for the lightest sentence, etc. But a star is criticized... If you think Vick got a light sentence (maybe he did, maybe he didnt) that isnt his fault its the fault of the legal system. But people find it easier to blame him for what he got. But if you were in his situation, you would aim for that same sentence with your lawyers? So now he is out. He did what he was commanded to by the courts. What do people expect him to do now? Sit at home and collect welfare? What difference does it make where he works. If he worked at the local Coke bottling plant no one would care... but does it really matter? Because he is famous he is not supposed to work? It would be naive to think ok Vick will become something he isnt... suddenly have some different skill like becoming a carpenter or an architect. Hes a football player. So why shouldn't he play football? Its better than welfare or some other BS free income. And football players have limited careers anyway. He will have to find somethign else to do in a few years as it is.

 

[Steely Dan]

I have thought about this a while... and I do not watch a lot of football etc. America (I am of Ukranian background) it can be very hypocritical.

In theory for the average person that goes to jail, the idea is they go to jail, serve the time the judge gives them, are released back into the community, and are expected and encourged to go back to work, be productive, etc. Especially if the crime committed is not related to work. Obviously a child molester shouldnt go back to work at a day care, etc. So if I work in a factory, go to jail for a while, when I get out, I am assumed to be able to go back to work. But a "star" for soome reason that rationale does not apply. Anyone else in Vick's situation would want lawyers to help them out, go for the lightest sentence, etc. But a star is criticized... If you think Vick got a light sentence (maybe he did, maybe he didnt) that isnt his fault its the fault of the legal system. But people find it easier to blame him for what he got. But if you were in his situation, you would aim for that same sentence with your lawyers? So now he is out. He did what he was commanded to by the courts. What do people expect him to do now? Sit at home and collect welfare? What difference does it make where he works. If he worked at the local Coke bottling plant no one would care... but does it really matter? Because he is famous he is not supposed to work? It would be naive to think ok Vick will become something he isnt... suddenly have some different skill like becoming a carpenter or an architect. Hes a football player. So why shouldn't he play football? Its better than welfare or some other BS free income. And football players have limited careers anyway. He will have to find somethign else to do in a few years as it is.

I don't think anyone is saying he can't work, just saying he shouldn't be able to work in the NFL.

 

[JB Fletcher]

I have thought about this a while... and I do not watch a lot of football etc. America (I am of Ukranian background) it can be very hypocritical.

In theory for the average person that goes to jail, the idea is they go to jail, serve the time the judge gives them, are released back into the community, and are expected and encourged to go back to work, be productive, etc. Especially if the crime committed is not related to work. Obviously a child molester shouldnt go back to work at a day care, etc. So if I work in a factory, go to jail for a while, when I get out, I am assumed to be able to go back to work. But a "star" for soome reason that rationale does not apply. Anyone else in Vick's situation would want lawyers to help them out, go for the lightest sentence, etc. But a star is criticized... If you think Vick got a light sentence (maybe he did, maybe he didnt) that isnt his fault its the fault of the legal system. But people find it easier to blame him for what he got. But if you were in his situation, you would aim for that same sentence with your lawyers? So now he is out. He did what he was commanded to by the courts. What do people expect him to do now? Sit at home and collect welfare? What difference does it make where he works. If he worked at the local Coke bottling plant no one would care... but does it really matter? Because he is famous he is not supposed to work? It would be naive to think ok Vick will become something he isnt... suddenly have some different skill like becoming a carpenter or an architect. Hes a football player. So why shouldn't he play football? Its better than welfare or some other BS free income. And football players have limited careers anyway. He will have to find somethign else to do in a few years as it is.

Yes, it does matter..... Working in a factory is not a privilege and one doesn't earn millions doing so. Just because Vick served his sentence does not automatically entitle him to pick right up where he left off nor does it mean there shouldn't be further consequences for his actions.

 

[shgrbkr]

Let him go play in another country. I still believe that most people don't fully realize just what MV did to those dogs. He wasn't just behind the scenes financing, he got his hands very dirty and actively participated in the abuse--and for what? Dude was making millions-why did he need to supplement his income with this blood money?? Something must really be wrong on the inside with this guy.

And Steely Dan. the story about the kid getting 10 years probation for running over another teenager is horrific. I agree with you on what you said how our society propagates this kind of behavior.

 

[lizzybeth]

So far, no team has shown any interest in him. Even the Redskins (a Virginia favorite) don't want him.

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/878605.html

shgrbkr, you hit the nail on the head when you said MV wasn't just behind the scenes, he participated in the abuse. Even if he had just financed it, it would be horrible, but he went further than that. Sure, he grew up in a harsh environment, crime, poverty, drugs, etc. but he was given the opportunity to turn his life around. He, nor his brother, have really done that.

 

[dgfred]

I don't think anyone is saying he can't work, just saying he shouldn't be able to work in the NFL.

But why? Playing football somewhere else is really no different. If a team can stand the negative PR, then he has every right to play.

There are rumors the Steelers are thinking about signing him. :innocent:

 

[Steely Dan]

So far, no team has shown any interest in him. Even the Redskins (a Virginia favorite) don't want him.

http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/878605.html

shgrbkr, you hit the nail on the head when you said MV wasn't just behind the scenes, he participated in the abuse. Even if he had just financed it, it would be horrible, but he went further than that. Sure, he grew up in a harsh environment, crime, poverty, drugs, etc. but he was given the opportunity to turn his life around. He, nor his brother, have really done that.

The Ravens have expressed some interest in him. Not as starting QB but somebody they could use in the Wild Cat offense.

 

[dgfred]

I sure am glad my Dolphins drafted Pat White this year or they might be interested too... I've been pulling against Vick in the ACC and NFL for about 10 years and don't want him on my favorite team.

 

[Steely Dan]

I sure am glad my Dolphins drafted Pat White this year or they might be interested too... I've been pulling against Vick in the ACC and NFL for about 10 years and don't want him on my favorite team.

Dolphins!? uke:

:woohoo::clap::clap::clap::woohoo::blowkiss:

 

[dgfred]

Oh no, not the Bills :furious: . I guess we can start us up a good old fashioned rivalry here too . If I can suppress my flashbacks of J.Kelly and T.Thomas... I do like what they have been doing lately, except for T.O. . Did you watch the Dallas game last year? I bet you were as shocked as I was watching the ending :waitasec: .

 

[Steely Dan]

Oh no, not the Bills :furious: . I guess we can start us up a good old fashioned rivalry here too . If I can suppress my flashbacks of J.Kelly and T.Thomas... I do like what they have been doing lately, except for T.O. . Did you watch the Dallas game last year? I bet you were as shocked as I was watching the ending :waitasec: .

Unfortunately I think Sparano is the next great HC. The AFCE is and AFCN are the two toughest divisions in the NFL.

:cow:

Any team that wins that division isn't a fluke team getting in. It'll be interesting to see if Sparano can take what he did last year and at least repeat it. I think some of the success last year was catching teams off guard with the wild cat offense.

The Bills look to have all the pieces they just need to put it into wins. The biggest question is how the new OL will perform. They will be very good to great by the end of next year at least but they'll have to put it together quickly this year.

Also, my faith in Dick Jauron is fading. This is a make or break year for him after three consecutive 7-9 seasons.

Before this offseason I was adamant that I would never want to see TO on the Bills. Funny but, after they signed him I forgot about that. The reports are he's a great teammate right now. His first year is usually amicable. It's after that when the problems begin.

One thing nobody can say about Owens is that he doesn't work hard. He's an incredibly hard worker and I'm hoping that rubs off on the young guys.

Well, I want to wish your Dolphins bad luck this year. It should be a barn burner. :crazy:

 

[dgfred]

Thanks for the bad luck :crazy: , and back at ya times two!

 

[Steely Dan]

Thanks for the bad luck :crazy: , and back at ya times two!

Back atcha to infinity plus infinity! :razz:

 

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Yes, it does matter..... Working in a factory is not a privilege and one doesn't earn millions doing so. Just because Vick served his sentence does not automatically entitle him to pick right up where he left off nor does it mean there shouldn't be further consequences for his actions.

I just have to say, and this will be the last time i look at this thread, I am SO OVER people being hypocrites. We (not me but most of society) called for him to be hung, or, oh my god can't believe it's an animal yadda yadda yadda, but clearly we've mentioned PEOPLE dying and no one seems to hold them to this same esteem?? The man has served his time. Don't like him? Well hope he doesn't end up on your team, change favorites if he does. JB, what salary cap would you put him at? THAT is the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. Am I sickened by what he did? yes but the man served his time and wants to go back to WORK. plain and simple. So you want to try to pass a law that felons can't make more than minimum wage? Good luck with THAT in the land of the free and the day that law passes I will MOVE. We have freedoms, and so do criminals after they serve their time.

 

[lizzybeth]

Vick claims he's getting closer to a deal:

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_073009_vick_bankruptcy_lawyers.8ee7b6f2.html

 

[Steely Dan]

I just have to say, and this will be the last time i look at this thread, I am SO OVER people being hypocrites. We (not me but most of society) called for him to be hung, or, oh my god can't believe it's an animal yadda yadda yadda, but clearly we've mentioned PEOPLE dying and no one seems to hold them to this same esteem?? The man has served his time. Don't like him? Well hope he doesn't end up on your team, change favorites if he does. JB, what salary cap would you put him at? THAT is the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. Am I sickened by what he did? yes but the man served his time and wants to go back to WORK. plain and simple. So you want to try to pass a law that felons can't make more than minimum wage? Good luck with THAT in the land of the free and the day that law passes I will MOVE. We have freedoms, and so do criminals after they serve their time.

It is weird how a dog is looked upon as more important than humans. I think it has to do with the perceived helplessness and loyal look in their eyes. JMO.