GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #6

[LadyMaryB]

I wonder if they checked the baby for substances because certain drugs do depress respirations.

I bet that precious little girl was checked for everything, except maybe Ebola!

But this is only my opinion (I'm going to add this line to my signature!)

 

[ANonyMs]

I found where I read it...It was a reporter familiar to this case who said it but it was the reporter replying to a comment on a page we cannot link here. But thank you!

But if you find it somewhere we can link, that would be great! I'm guessing we will get confirmation of this tomorrow.


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Thanks for updating, anyway!
I just thought I was missing something and I am one of those people who do go back and re-read the articles, etc.

And you're right - it's only tomorrow. I am just impatient.

 

[ANonyMs]

It has probably been discussed but I do wonder if the baby is in foster care or with relatives.

She is in the custody of the State.

Very end of article, "According to Fleenor, Noah’s sister was suffering from a “significant” respiratory infection and was removed from the home. The child is in the custody of Virginia Department of Social Services." {BBM}

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/04/noahs-mother-appeals-bond-denial/

 

[MsFacetious]

My 11 year old daughter got some sea monkey like creatures in March.
They hatched, they grew and they are still alive.
We are moving next week and I asked her what we are going to do with them.
(They were supposed to die like 2 weeks ago and are in an open container.)

She asked how we would move them... and I said she'd just have to hold them on her lap.
I said "We either move them or we flush them. Not much other option."
She was thoroughly horrified at my suggestion and her exact words were:

"I'm not FLUSHING them. They are living things. They don't belong in a septic tank!"

My thoughts exactly child. My thoughts exactly. :twocents:

 

[ANonyMs]

https://mobile.twitter.com/CameronOAustin/status/588349757967466496

Has there been clarification on whether the baby had a "respiratory illness" or "respiratory problems"? The msm reporting last week used the term "illness" for the most part, but now I'm reading more and more using "problems". It is an important distinction...
{snipped by me for brevity}
Or the information released was just wonky and the baby had a cold/infection or the like but that really did not carry much weight in her removal and she was removed for some other, more obvious neglect or abuse.

http://www.wset.com/story/28809827/update-noah-thomas-case-both-parents-bond-hearings-today

Snip...
According to this quote in the Roanoke Times, it was respiratory problems: "Shortly after Noah Thomas went missing, Fleenor [Commonwealth’s Attorney] said the county Social Services Department was contacted to examine Thomas and White’s 6-month-old daughter, ******* ******, When medical personnel inspected her, they found that she had “fairly serious respiratory problems,” Fleenor said Wednesday."

Source: http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/p...b8b-6e9d-5408-b5f5-52697738366e.html?mode=jqm

That is exactly what I was referring to yesterday. One MSM says "severe", another says "serious". One says "problems" another says "illness". I think I may have even read one that said, "issues."

I think this is partially b/c the judge is allowing reporters inside the courtroom but not recording devices. Each reporter is getting what they can of the oral statements being made.

I agree with you that is an important distinction and one that I hope will be made more clear to us soon. It's yet another reason I am waiting to really form an opinion on that aspect of the charges. Words matter!

 

[Schmaley]

I think she had a cold and there was smoke and evidence of pot smoking that was either worsening it or preventing a fast recovery. But that opinion is adopted from someone up thread here. That just makes sense. Much more sense than drugging a baby. But then again what sense is there in placing a sweet child's remains in a septic tank?

So I got nothing.

 

[ceecee30]

Snipped by me. This is a sore subject for me. Reading statements like yours about the respiratory issues feels like someone is pushing on a bruise. My son was born at home with the help of two midwives and a doula who did his well checks and newborn care until 4 weeks. He had his first cold at 4 days old. My midwives checked him once a week and re assured me it was a cold. It would come and go. When he was 6 weeks old, he seemed to be getting worse. I took him to urgent care and he had a 104 fever (it happened to be my first day back at work and he felt warm but not terrible) so I was shocked. The pedi checked him and said it was an ear infection and it was a relief because he didn't need the tests he would have had if they hadn't found the problem right away. Took him home and gave him meds. He wasn't nursing, very lethargic. I called that night and the nurse acted like I was over reacting and said to let the antibiotics work. The next day I stayed home and he was getting worse. No wet diapers. Day three I had to go back to work. It was a matter of paying my mortgage so I had to leave him with my mother in law. She called me that morning and said he needed to go to the ER. I brought him in and he had very serious pneumonia. It was awful and came on very quickly. I still feel the pain of him being in the hospital for 9 days. It was tremendously horrible. But I really feel like respiratory stuff is hard for parents. Colds can evolve in the matter of two days. I have seen it.

Anyways, I know your post was written with good intentions but I hope you are able to entertain the possibility that respiratory issues is a vague term and they can come on quickly. That's all.

I also want to agree with you here, my son born early at 8 weeks for the first two years experienced bad respiratory issues.

There were nights he acting was completely normal, nothing to even alert me he was coming down with something. However the times he came down with something quick overnight his sleeping monitor would sound and I would find him breathing very slowly or struggling to breathe...

These incidents came on hard and fast most without warning, the most scariest experience in my life to date..

 

[SpyAs]

This is my 2nd WS post but have been following from the first thread. I hope there are answers soon and Justice for Noah.

 

[JeannaT]

My 11 year old daughter got some sea monkey like creatures in March.
They hatched, they grew and they are still alive.
We are moving next week and I asked her what we are going to do with them.
(They were supposed to die like 2 weeks ago and are in an open container.)

She asked how we would move them... and I said she'd just have to hold them on her lap.
I said "We either move them or we flush them. Not much other option."
She was thoroughly horrified at my suggestion and her exact words were:

"I'm not FLUSHING them. They are living things. They don't belong in a septic tank!"

My thoughts exactly child. My thoughts exactly. :twocents:

I agree with her. It's a little surprising that you suggested she flush her living pets down the toilet, frankly. I share her horror at that suggestion. I wouldn't have suggested my kids flush their critters down the toilet. Really?

Maybe it's time to remind the board that it's not been established that anyone put that child in the septic tank.

 

[courtneyb]

Ok

I agree with her. It's a little surprising that you suggested she flush her living pets down the toilet, frankly. I share her horror at that suggestion. I wouldn't have suggested my kids flush their critters down the toilet. Really?

Maybe it's time to remind the board that it's not been established that anyone put that child in the septic tank.

Let's try to remember that if we are making a post that is exploring that possibility, to say, "IF" they put him in the septic tank.

And, apply that to other theories as well.
That way, we are still able to explore different avenues.

I don't think he got there on his own, but, for discussion's sake...

Bless your heart that you are able to keep such an open mind and wait until every bit of information is in.

 

[courtneyb]

I agree with her. It's a little surprising that you suggested she flush her living pets down the toilet, frankly. I share her horror at that suggestion. I wouldn't have suggested my kids flush their critters down the toilet. Really?

Maybe it's time to remind the board that it's not been established that anyone put that child in the septic tank.

Though, in her defense, have you ever tried to scoop a sea monkey out to move them to a better container, lol? It's hard! I had some and the lid would not stay snapped on correctly. I ordered a new container from Amazon and I scooped some water out with a little cup (had no luck with the net) and put it in the new container, but who knows if I got them all? They're so tiny.

I never knew with sea monkeys if I was caring for them correctly or not.

I have to stick with bigger pets, lol.

 

[Steleheart]

I agree with her. It's a little surprising that you suggested she flush her living pets down the toilet, frankly. I share her horror at that suggestion. I wouldn't have suggested my kids flush their critters down the toilet. Really?

Maybe it's time to remind the board that it's not been established that anyone put that child in the septic tank.

Unfortunately it's very common. I have heard of it with fish and small animals.

It has not been established that the parents put that child in there. It does not make sense "to me" that he fell in and the cover flew back on.

What does make sense, so far, is if they say they left him home without supervision, they made it possible for him to end up there.

Even "if" a stranger happened by and saw Noah, caused his death and put him in there, it was the neglect of the parents that led to his death. IMO

It's not the end of charges being filed since we have not heard the Autopsy/ toxicology results.

JMO

 

[Steleheart]

Though, in her defense, have you ever tried to scoop a sea monkey out to move them to a better container, lol? It's hard! I had some and the lid would not stay snapped on correctly. I ordered a new container from Amazon and I scooped some water out with a little cup (had no luck with the net) and put it in the new container, but who knows if I got them all? They're so tiny.

I never knew with sea monkeys if I was caring for them correctly or not.

I have to stick with bigger pets, lol.

Speaking of your sig,,, :floorlaugh:

 

[courtneyb]

Speaking of your sig,,, :floorlaugh:

It's true! I love animals, but I need them big enough that I can see them and see what they need. They have to be able to growl if they are upset, follow at my heels if they are hungry, get loud if I inadvertently shut the door to a room, trapping them in there. Wow, that pretty much describes my four children perfectly, lol! And my husband, haha,

 

[Sutton]

I agree with her. It's a little surprising that you suggested she flush her living pets down the toilet, frankly. I share her horror at that suggestion. I wouldn't have suggested my kids flush their critters down the toilet. Really?

Maybe it's time to remind the board that it's not been established that anyone put that child in the septic tank.

I also found it odd to suggest to a ten-year-old that she could dump her pets down the toilet. Yes, I know they are just sea monkeys, but the fun in having them is to see them hatch and grow and live. Why would she think of flushing them?
I was wondering if the poster just suggested that as the only "alternative." Such as you might say to your kid who was asking too many questions, etc., "well, then we'll have to flush them" knowing you would not do any such thing.

 

[gitana1]

I agree with her. It's a little surprising that you suggested she flush her living pets down the toilet, frankly. I share her horror at that suggestion. I wouldn't have suggested my kids flush their critters down the toilet. Really?

Maybe it's time to remind the board that it's not been established that anyone put that child in the septic tank.

Sea monkeys aren't pets. They are actually pet food that some dude decided to sell as a novelty science item. Like ant farms or magic crystal sets.

And I defended this family even though the signs suggested that whatever happened originated at home. But for goodness sake, these people have now been arrested for child abuse and neglect connected with the death of their little man who was found in a septic tank. It's not a stretch or illogical to operate under the theory that someone may have put him there.

 

[courtneyb]

I also found it odd to suggest to a ten-year-old that she could dump her pets down the toilet. Yes, I know they are just sea monkeys, but the fun in having them is to see them hatch and grow and live. Why would she think of flushing them?

I think ☺️ that she was just trying to explain to her daughter that if she wanted her pets, she'd have to accept the responsibility for them during the move. Either you hold the container, or we have to flush them. I think she knew her daughter would choose to accept the responsibility. Likely because she raised her to understand the value of all life, if I had to guess.

I do that with my children... Pick up your toys and take care of them or I am going to surmise that you don't want them and they can be donated to another kid who would appreciate them.

What I understood she was trying, with the story, to do was get to the point that her daughter knew, from being raised by her to value life, that you don't put people, animals, things you love, in a septic tank. Just in general. We don't know any of that yet. ☺️

Anyhow, I have not seen that Paul is appealing his bond hearing determination. Is that the case, that only Ashley is appealing? Thanks!

 

[gitana1]

She is in the custody of the State.

Very end of article, "According to Fleenor, Noah’s sister was suffering from a “significant” respiratory infection and was removed from the home. The child is in the custody of Virginia Department of Social Services." {BBM}

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/04/noahs-mother-appeals-bond-denial/

When a child is in the custody of social services, he or she is typically physically either in foster care or with relatives.

 

[Sutton]

Sea monkeys aren't pets. They are actually pet food that some dude decided to sell as a novelty science item. Like ant farms or magic crystal sets.

And I defended this family even though the signs pointed that whatever happened originated at home, but for goodness sake, these people were arrested for child abuse and neglect connected with the death of their little man who was found in a septic tank. It's not a stretch or illogical to operate under the theory that someone may have put him there.

I was not referring to you. I didn't even read your post.

 

[Steleheart]

But the point that even this child knew the horror of anything living being in a septic tank. Yeah I don't think he got himself in there.

JMO