VA - Scott Fricker, 48, & Buckley Kuhn-Fricker, 43, slain, Reston, 22 Dec 2017 *daughter’s bf charged*

[strawberry]

Woah, I thought they attended a different School! Dominion... explains a lot...

The Dominion School (TDS) was founded in 1985. TDS is an accredited, coeducational,*therapeutic special education day school.* We provide a highly structured and individualized*psychoeducational model for 27 adolescents who are experiencing emotional, learning, and/or*behavioral problems that interfere with their educational development.* We utilize a unique*combination of small academic classes, individual, group and family counseling to contribute to*the growth of each student.* Our primary goal is to help our students return to a less restrictive*educational setting with the academic, social, and emotional skills they need to succeed.

http://www.thedominionschool.com/

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Right? I thought it was some upper class private day school


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[rsd1200]

This is Buckley's daughter from a previous marriage? I didn't know women still hyphenated their name. This is so 70ish, maybe even late 60ish.

I don't hyphenate, but, so that folks know who I am, on social media, I use my maiden name, as my middle name. When signing my name, I use my first name, and my spouse's surname.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Do you live in Virginia? I can’t speak for that state but in the state I live much of what you said is not the fact and you made statements of fact. Perhaps your opinion from your own experience?

http://www.thedominionschool.com/psychoeducation.htm

I'm in Virginia, and she's pretty much spot on. They can earn credits *toward* a regular high school diploma, but they have to be mainstreamed back to public school to get a normal diploma. They don't call themselves a "high school".

This school has a 3 to 1 student teacher ratio, and they only stop short of taking kids who need to be physically restrained or need one to one attention/care. The kids that go there are ones who *really* can't function in regular schools. They take a range of kids from those with severe anxiety to kids with violent tendencies, autistic students, etc.

It is most definitely a "special needs" school. The emphasis is on teaching these kids to function in society.

That they offer "crisis intervention" pretty much says it all.

This is no one's first choice for their child.

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[rsd1200]

This is a school that is supposed to be giving these kids constant attention. I wonder if the school addressed it at all?

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She started seeing him in June and mentioned the thing with the Jews and WWII over the summer. So the relationship was ongoing over the summer. Then school started back and they were in the same school together, obviously, again. So, from Sept-ish, to Dec. they were there together all day. I babysat a group of kids who were in detention one day. I was supposed to just ensure that they quietly did an assignment. It was pure HELL. I knew right then I was right about my decision to never go into the teaching field. I filled in one day and one day only. I could sub teach if I wanted b/c I had the college credits that were necessary. I did it that one day and said screw this, I'd rather starve. I actually felt threatened at one point. I kept a side-eye on a couple of them, all day, seven hours, that seemed like seven years.

 

[rsd1200]

http://www.thedominionschool.com/psychoeducation.htm

I'm in Virginia, and she's pretty much spot on. They can earn credits *toward* a regular high school diploma, but they have to be mainstreamed back to public school to get a normal diploma. They don't call themselves a "high school".

This school has a 3 to 1 student teacher ratio, and they only stop short of taking kids who need to be physically restrained or need one to one attention/care. The kids that go there are ones who *really* can't function in regular schools. They take a range of kids from those with severe anxiety to kids with violent tendencies, autistic students, etc.

It is most definitely a "special needs" school. The emphasis is on teaching these kids to function in society.

That they offer "crisis intervention" pretty much says it all.

This is no one's first choice for their child.

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BBM
This is pretty much the LAST choice until they hit 18 and can tell you to go **** yourself.

 

[borndem]

This quote has been bothering me...

In a message she sent to the boyfriend’s mother, Kuhn-Fricker reportedly wrote that the boy “was sneaking into our house at night … and is an outspoken Neo Nazi. These things render any legal redemption void.”

http://people.com/crime/reston-va-murders-parents-daughter-neo-nazi-boyfriend-fear/

What on Earth is she talking about? Legal redemption?

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Yep, Wyle -- I've been stuck on that one, too, since I saw it. Would it have anything to do with their school? (I couldn't imagine what.) A lawsuit? (for what?)
"Legal redemption" -- I looked, and the legalese I found had to do with mortgages and creditors, etc., but IANAL, so maybe there is more to the term that the little I saw on it.

 

[clearskies1]

In terms of anyone planning to kill her parents, the 17 year old apparently spent an hour in the girl's bedroom and only shot the parents when they confronted him there. Usually, when something like this is planned the victims are shot while they're sleeping and the shooter tries to get away with it, or the shooter just walks into the house and immediately starts shooting. Here, it seemed a bit more spontaneous/less planned. Then again, he did have a gun -- presumably he was the one who brought the gun to the house.

 

[borndem]

Crisis intervention counseling is also available as needed.

Yikes!

So knowing that the boy was screwed up in Lord knows how many ways, why on Earth didn't they get a security system right away?

I wonder what the school's success rate is for mainstreaming students back to public school?

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Hmmmm, yes. And the school is small -- student privacy would be nearly impossible, IMO. And perhaps too small for some kids who want to go to a "regular" high school. It seems both the boyfriend & girlfriend (for lack of better words, since I don't like the word, "kids" used for people) were at that school. SMH. How unfortunate for both of them. So many ruined lives.

And we'll never hear anything from the school unless it's a statement written by someone at the school due to privacy laws, etc. But maybe we will on the witness stand at a trial.

Interesting little piece of this puzzle...

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Hmmmm, yes. And the school is small -- student privacy would be nearly impossible, IMO. And perhaps too small for some kids who want to go to a "regular" high school. It seems both the boyfriend & girlfriend (for lack of better words, since I don't like the word, "kids" used for people) were at that school. SMH. How unfortunate for both of them. So many ruined lives.

And we'll never hear anything from the school unless it's a statement written by someone at the school due to privacy laws, etc. But maybe we will on the witness stand at a trial.

Interesting little piece of this puzzle...

BBM

My mom always said that! Kids are baby goats. Thanks for the memory.

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[EuTuCroquet?]

Where I live, I often hear schools like this referred to as "alternative schools." This is a "non-public" school, and it appears that students are referred to it from mainstream public schools.

So, if this is what they call an "alternative school" around here, it focuses on:

• drug and alcohol abuse issues and treatment
• treating mental health issues
• treating problem behavior
• specialized education for students with things like ADHD, ADD, dyslexia, etc.
• sometimes they're referred to these schools instead of being suspended or expelled from public school (usually a discipline/rules/attendance-related issue)
• there's typically a "waiting list" to get in, and minimum requirements
• dress codes
• they're required to achieve certain standards to remain in the school
• their primary goal is for the student to graduate, whether that be by GED or returned to public school
• some college prep
• s t r u c t u r e

I think the reference is to the Islamic world's viewpoint on Jews and their reaction to the US decision to relocate Embassy.

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http://www.thedominionschool.com/psychoeducation.htm

I'm in Virginia, and she's pretty much spot on. They can earn credits *toward* a regular high school diploma, but they have to be mainstreamed back to public school to get a normal diploma. They don't call themselves a "high school".

This school has a 3 to 1 student teacher ratio, and they only stop short of taking kids who need to be physically restrained or need one to one attention/care. The kids that go there are ones who *really* can't function in regular schools. They take a range of kids from those with severe anxiety to kids with violent tendencies, autistic students, etc.

It is most definitely a "special needs" school. The emphasis is on teaching these kids to function in society.

That they offer "crisis intervention" pretty much says it all.

This is no one's first choice for their child.

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[Doghairrules]

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And of course, people brought up in leftist households don't ever kill people- right?

This particular topic is going nowhere fast, except to possibly get the thread shut down. Scroll and roll... moo

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

My mom always said that! Kids are baby goats. Thanks for the memory.

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Had a teacher that said that too. It's just a common term, for both human, and goat, children, around here.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Where I live, I often hear schools like this referred to as "alternative schools." This is a "non-public" school, and it appears that students are referred to it from mainstream public schools.

So, if this is what they call an "alternative school" around here, it focuses on:

• drug and alcohol abuse issues and treatment
• treating mental health issues
• treating problem behavior
• specialized education for students with things like ADHD, ADD, dyslexia, etc.
• sometimes they're referred to these schools instead of being suspended or expelled from public school (usually a discipline/rules/attendance-related issue)
• there's typically a "waiting list" to get in, and minimum requirements
• dress codes
• they're required to achieve certain standards to remain in the school
• their primary goal is for the student to graduate, whether that be by GED or returned to public school
• some college prep
• s t r u c t u r e

Dominion has more of a special Ed slant. Fairfax county also has an alternative high school, Mountain View. They definitely overlap, but a student who has been incarcerated or has drug addiction issues would go to Mountain View instead of Dominion. Dominion definitely would not have college prep.

My hubs used to teach at an alternative education high school in the Detroit projects. *That* was scary!

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[rsd1200]

Where I live, I often hear schools like this referred to as "alternative schools." This is a "non-public" school, and it appears that students are referred to it from mainstream public schools.

So, if this is what they call an "alternative school" around here, it focuses on:

• drug and alcohol abuse issues and treatment
• treating mental health issues
• treating problem behavior
• specialized education for students with things like ADHD, ADD, dyslexia, etc.
• sometimes they're referred to these schools instead of being suspended or expelled from public school (usually a discipline/rules/attendance-related issue)
• there's typically a "waiting list" to get in, and minimum requirements
• dress codes
• they're required to achieve certain standards to remain in the school
• their primary goal is for the student to graduate, whether that be by GED or returned to public school
• some college prep
• s t r u c t u r e

We have alternative schools here. Ours has some of your bullet points but mostly they ran it like juvie. It was a disaster for our child. We couldn't even get them to do an IEP, until the last year of h.s., and I started working with the school, actively, in early grade school! They just decided that alt. school was what we should be done. I had little alternatives at that point, so agreed. It just exacerbated everything that was going on with mine. Mine went for two years, iirc, and in between we tried two, different,, private, boarding, schools. Disasters. One because it was almost criminal what I learned had been going on there, and the other was just the wrong setting, and they knew it, and told us, but saw we were desperate, and we all agreed to give it a go. Once we got back into the public school, and got the IEP, grades came up and things got better, but mine was super impulsive, and broke a conduct rule while horse-playing with classmates, during play practice. They ousted him permanently and it was by far not the worst he'd ever done, and he was on the upswing at the time. The Board couldn't even look me in the eye at the meeting where we all got to speak.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Would an approach that avoided violence not have led to a better outcome?

Dominion students are all kinds of messed up. The potential for violence in a 17 yo male Dominion student is high... *Any* 17 yo male Dominion student.

I have teenagers. I am very interested in how one might handle this situation without risking one's life. If I know one of my child's friends may be violent, how might I address that without triggering that violence?

ETA

I can't control other people's actions or reactions, I can only control my own. In discussing how to avoid this type of result, with two people dead and one in critical condition, two families messed up for the rest of their lives, children who will never get over this, it necessarily comes down to what I could do differently in a similar situation.

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[MaryG12]

Maybe boot camp would be a better option for the boyfriend. I've worked with guys who have been through that exercise, and it helped straighten them out.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Would an approach that avoided violence not have led to a better outcome?

Dominion students are all kinds of messed up. The potential for violence in a 17 yo male Dominion student is high... *Any* 17 yo male Dominion student.

I have teenagers. I am very interested in how one might handle this situation without risking one's life. If I know one of my child's friends may be violent, how might I address that without triggering that violence?

ETA

I can't control other people's actions or reactions, I can only control my own. In discussing how to avoid this type of result, with two people dead and one in critical condition, two families messed up for the rest of their lives, children who will never get over this, it necessarily comes down to what I could do differently in a similar situation.

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I'm not sure there's an answer to that. If there was a way to end a relationship with someone who has the potential to be violent without triggering their violence, I think we'd know about it through domestic violence resources. There's no way to end a relationship with a violent person without triggering them. There are only ways to attempt to avoid being beaten or killed, which sometimes involves moving and hiding.

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[rsd1200]

Would an approach that avoided violence not have led to a better outcome?

Dominion students are all kinds of messed up. The potential for violence in a 17 yo male Dominion student is high... *Any* 17 yo male Dominion student.

I have teenagers. I am very interested in how one might handle this situation without risking one's life. If I know one of my child's friends may be violent, how might I address that without triggering that violence?

ETA

I can't control other people's actions or reactions, I can only control my own. In discussing how to avoid this type of result, with two people dead and one in critical condition, two families messed up for the rest of their lives, children who will never get over this, it necessarily comes down to what I could do differently in a similar situation.

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#1) We never thought that our wayward one would hurt anyone, however, we feared he may become troubled enough, through depression spells, that he'd harm himself, so #1, we took the firearms out of the home except for one each. These were secured, and ammo secured separately. No bonding through target practice. Period.

2) I'd have called the other parents, instead of emailing. I'd have asked if we could have a sit down. Just the four of us, at a local restaurant, and calmly explain that their son was coming in through our windows at night. That we'd talked to our daughter, and we'd like for it to stop. Yesterday. Based on the two kids history, neither of us needed to be grandparents.

3) If I had the money, I'd have installed a Brinks system (or something similar). I'd only allow my spouse and I to have the disconnect code. Those systems are awesome. I wish I had one!

4) If they weren't comfortable meeting with me, then I'd ask the school to call a parent teacher meeting. I would not have gone into the meeting armed for bear, and slinging names. I'd have tried to have gone into the meeting, open to listening to them, about what they thought they could do, and their concerns, so they'd be open to listening to me, and mine.

#5) I'd definitely tell them, that if we caught him on the property w/o our invite, we'd call LE and have him escorted off.


I sympathize, greatly, with the family who lost their loved ones, I also feel for the parents whose son has done this. It's terrible and the boy is going to prison, if he recovers to that point. He was willing to kill himself over his obsession with her and she was willing to let him in b/c of her obsession with him. These were likely kids who didn't have a lot of friends, outside of that school, b/c they got disconnected from their old ones when they went to the Alt. School. Both families, I think, underestimated the relationship, and the kid's lengths that they'd go to, to keep seeing one another. There's likely some diagnoses here that we just will not know about. Diagnoses that caused impulsiveness, defiance, obsession, etc... in both kids.

 

[rsd1200]

Maybe boot camp would be a better option for the boyfriend. I've worked with guys who have been through that exercise, and it helped straighten them out.

Ours went to a really good one, per juvie court, but, it didn't really stick, behaviour wise. He did learn a lot and gained some confidence within himself for a period of time though.

 

[borndem]

And another thing...did no one in the school hear what this boy was saying? Clearly, the girl being interviewed knew. Didn’t she tell someone? This stuff is terrible. [FONT=&amp]Maybe she tried to warn the mom and that’s why they were texting. [/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Allem said the suspect often talked about "murder" and "very violent disturbing things" at the school. She said he made fun of another classmate by saying that he had "Jew curls." The teen also used to make anti-Semitic jokes with his friend, raise his hand and say "Heil Hitler," and "say things like 'The Nazis are coming back,'" Allem said.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]According to Allem, the suspect "would try to manipulate" Kuhn-Fricker's daughter into hating her parents and told her that their "control over her is not warranted."[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]He also made jokes and "references towards violence" against her parents, but "never acted on it until now," Allem told BuzzFeed News.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]"All I know is he didn't like them very much," she said. "And he felt they were getting in the way."

[/FONT]https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrulla/texts-from-mom-shot-dead-after-confronting-boyfriend

All this, and the school -- teachers, coaches, counselors, etc., etc., with the very favorable adult:student ratio knew/saw/heard nothing and/or notified no one of anything? Did an English instructor, art teacher, etc., see anything in his writing, drawing, etc., etc.??? Youths who are excited about something usually say things,boast, brag, talk to peers, etc., etc. about their ideas. Surely, shirley, some school official notified his parents???

There is, as always, a lot we don't know. SMH. Such a tragedy for so many.