VA - Scott Fricker, 48, & Buckley Kuhn-Fricker, 43, slain, Reston, 22 Dec 2017 *daughter’s bf charged*

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beandawgs said:
He was trespassing in their house - no self defense here. I do live in Texas (not from here) but here you have a right to shoot an intruder into your home - I'm not a gun fanatic, but its too bad in this case the parents didn't know he was armed , too bad they didn't have a weapon to use against him. Others may disagree, but I do blame the daughter as well - I doubt she was unaware he had a gun and I'll bet she had seen the gun before. Did she ever share this with her parents? She could have at least told them to give them an opportunity to realize how dangerous he might be. Did he break a window or a lock to get in? I doubt it, I'll bet she let him in. This whole business with him entering the house at night again and again bothers me - again, I'm not blaming the parents, but how did they sleep at night knowing this creep is coming in? After the first time it would have been time for video monitoring, alarm system and a weapon.
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I have no doubt that the b/f parents have a lawyer for him, and if the daughter let him in, not sure it would be trespassing - and I do think she let him in as she had in the past. He had come in to their home unbeknownst to them in the past, but they perhaps naively expected he was truly out of their lives once she broke it off, but sadly not what happened. The daughter may have known there was a gun in b/f home, but probably didn't expect him to bring it to her home. We've all been there breaking off with teenage boyfriend, all drama, drama - and then next day he's after someone else - but most people don't expect this level of violence, it's not usual and well beyond most of our experience and clearly beyond the Kuhn-Fricker family's. We also don't know the b/f history, his past behaviours, and neither did the Kuhn-Frickers, if he actually even had a violent history. Lot of unknowns right now, especially with minors involved.
 
courtney2662 said:
I have no doubt that the b/f parents have a lawyer for him, and if the daughter let him in, not sure it would be trespassing - and I do think she let him in as she had in the past. He had come in to their home unbeknownst to them in the past, but they perhaps naively expected he was truly out of their lives once she broke it off, but sadly not what happened. The daughter may have known there was a gun in b/f home, but probably didn't expect him to bring it to her home. We've all been there breaking off with teenage boyfriend, all drama, drama - and then next day he's after someone else - but most people don't expect this level of violence, it's not usual and well beyond most of our experience and clearly beyond the Kuhn-Fricker family's. We also don't know the b/f history, his past behaviours, and neither did the Kuhn-Frickers, if he actually even had a violent history. Lot of unknowns right now, especially with minors involved.
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Since he was forbidden by the homeowners to enter the house, it would be trespassing even if a minor allowed him in, I think.

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vmmking said:
Since he was forbidden by the homeowners to enter the house, it would be trespassing even if a minor allowed him in, I think.

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Not only that but the boys parents had a warning in writing (email) making them aware the boy was unlawfully entering the house and that it must stop. I hope the Fricker family files a civil suit against the boys parents.


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beandawgs said:
Not only that but the boys parents had a warning in writing (email) making them aware the boy was unlawfully entering the house and that it must stop. I hope the Fricker family files a civil suit against the boys parents.


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wonder if that can be done if he's charged as an adult
 
beandawgs said:
Not only that but the boys parents had a warning in writing (email) making them aware the boy was unlawfully entering the house and that it must stop. I hope the Fricker family files a civil suit against the boys parents.


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I think they will probably be able to file a civil suit, based on the murders. He was underage but had a firearm. Where did the firearm come from? Was it provided to him or did he lift it?.
 
Gardenista said:
wonder if that can be done if he's charged as an adult
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I would say yes, criminal and civil different, he was living with them, was under 18, was supported by them. If it was their gun, then that's part of any civil suit also.
 
rsd1200 said:
I think they will probably be able to file a civil suit, based on the murders. He was underage but had a firearm. Where did the firearm come from? Was it provided to him or did he lift it?.
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Lifted it from them? If he did, they did not have it stored so a minor could not 'lift' it.
 
Jennifer17 said:
Lifted it from them? If he did, they did not have it stored so a minor could not 'lift' it.
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NSS. No, stole it from someone else... He's not a frickin' boy scout and he obviously could make his way out of the home.

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I think they will probably be able to file a civil suit, based on the murders. He was underage but had a firearm. Where did the firearm come from? Was it provided to him or did he lift it?.
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Thanks for all the responses. I know the difference between civil and criminal. My question is whether charging him criminally as an adult would mean the parents can't be sued civilly. I'll look for the VA law
 
Apologies. If you're asking about double jeopardy, that only attaches in criminal cases. To my interpretation, being charged as a adult might make it easier to file a civil case. But I'm not a lawyer.

I welcome any and all correction — is there a lawyer in the house?!? :read:

Gardenista said:
Thanks for all the responses. I know the difference between civil and criminal. My question is whether charging him criminally as an adult would mean the parents can't be sued civilly. I'll look for the VA law
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Gardenista said:
Thanks for all the responses. I know the difference between civil and criminal. My question is whether charging him criminally as an adult would mean the parents can't be sued civilly. I'll look for the VA law
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I'm gonna go out on a limb, even though it's not Virginia, but I think they could, based on the OJ trial. He was found not guilty at the murder trial, but lost the civil suit, and was ordered to pay a substantial amount to the victim's families.
 
The ripple of pain and deep sadness runs wide in this case.

I'm thinking of the grandparents, other relatives but especially the 10 year-old brother.

I pray that this young boy is wrapped with comfort, love and strength by loving relatives.
 
courtney2662 said:
The daughter may have known there was a gun in b/f home, but probably didn't expect him to bring it to her home. We've all been there breaking off with teenage boyfriend, all drama, drama - and then next day he's after someone else - but most people don't expect this level of violence, it's not usual and well beyond most of our experience and clearly beyond the Kuhn-Fricker family's.
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When I was 16, I was at the home of my (also 16yo) boyfriend of a year+ and he reacted to something random that I had said by leaving the room and coming back with a handgun, saying that I was leaving him, he knew it and he was going to kill himself. I was absolutely terrified. That was when I knew it had to end. I’d never seen anything like that from him before and was beyond scared when I did break it off with him. He’s now an Episcopalian priest, married with several kids according to FB but when I was back through town after a family member’s memorial service and we pulled up next to him at a stop light I had a massive anxiety attack and this was at least 15 years later.



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keeleydoll said:
When I was 16, I was at the home of my (also 16yo) boyfriend of a year+ and he reacted to something random that I had said by leaving the room and coming back with a handgun, saying that I was leaving him, he knew it and he was going to kill himself. I was absolutely terrified. That was when I knew it had to end. I’d never seen anything like that from him before and was beyond scared when I did break it off with him. He’s now an Episcopalian priest, married with several kids according to FB but when I was back through town after a family member’s memorial service and we pulled up next to him at a stop light I had a massive anxiety attack and this was at least 15 years later.



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Ya just don't know. He may have never done anything like that again, Just something stupid, or he could have been suffering depression, you never know. One of mine had to go to court to obtain mandatory, supervised visitation, when the little one went for visits. My child had stopped one attempt (that attempt was not w/a firearm), and another concerning event had happened. The court granted the request. No problem. A year later, no one caught the signs, no phone calls to talk anyone, nothing, and... gone. Firearm the 2nd time.
 
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