Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

[Arnie M]

Not to belabour the point, but in this combo of 3 photos, I think I see the man holding a murse to his side. I don't think it's the girl's because the girl in a front facing photo doesn't have a purse.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1750541/m...s-police-release-new-images-in-2012-homicide/

DM could still have his mohawk. He is in other photos wearing light wash jeans as this guy was described to have work, and he does wear them horribly baggy about the knee. What do you think?

They caught the guy in 2015 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mike-pimentel-killing-serial-1.3358573

 

[SnooperDuper]

<rsbm>

So, do we smell a new lawyer coming up for appeal? LOL

Nose of a bloodhound, billy:

Ravin Pillay said Monday a notice of appeal will be filed within the 30-day deadline from the June 17 conviction date. He will not represent Millard in the appeal and would not discuss possible grounds.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...al-murder-conviction-in-tim-bosmas-death.html

 

[Just4TB]

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Appears DM's buddies did know he had been arrested Friday (It was not on the news until Saturday)

First time I am hearing the shell casing had Bosma's blood on it
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2015/2015onsc6633/2015onsc6633.html

I wondered the same.
Section 71...

I am not persuaded by the applicant’s argument that at the time of his arrest, there were insufficient grounds to believe Bosma was murdered by Millard and Smich.

is immediately followed by
Section 72....

A shell casing with Bosma’s blood was found in Bosma’s truck, which was located in a trailer owned by Millard.

My interpretation is this actually means.... a shell casing, along with Bosma's blood, was found in Bosma's truck... providing reasonable grounds to believe TB was murdered in the truck by gunshot.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Nose of a bloodhound, billy:



https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...al-murder-conviction-in-tim-bosmas-death.html

So DM might go in part with the 'ineffective counsel' route in his appeal.

:cow:

 

[SnooperDuper]

I thought it would be illegal for DM to write a book. It's not. It's only the "making a profit" part that is a against the law, and DM could theoretically write up his memoirs including his account of TB's murder:

The provincial acts which regulate this law state only that an offender convicted of designated crimes is prohibited from profiting from the recounting of their crimes, and does not ban them from the act of actually recounting them. This means that a person can retell their crimes in any way that they would like to, but that they cannot profit from it (for example, they could write the book, but can&#8217;t receive any of the sales profits).

http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/research-library/profiting-from-crime-laws-against/

RP attempted to sell his memoirs http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pickton-book-amazon-outrage-1.3457989

...but Amazon refused to sell them after a deluge of complaints.

PB is also a published author http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-publishes-despicable-violent-ebook-on-amazon

And of course there is the case of DS and CS, who are defending themselves against the court's finding of their guilt on the web http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/05/ezekiel-stephan-collet-stephan_n_10819200.html

The DS and CS case interests me the most, because of the judge's rather unusual ruling that they post the facts of the sentencing on their Facebook and webpage. It makes me wonder if it were possible to force offenders to publish the sentencing ruling in their case as a forward to any material they might write.

You can't just silence those found guilty: imagine if GPM or DM had no right to speak publicly about their cases. But it is an interesting idea to force the accused to post the facts of their case as found by law, if they want to debate it.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I thought it would be illegal for DM to write a book. It's not. It's only the "making a profit" part that is a against the law, and DM could theoretically write up his memoirs including his account of TB's murder:



http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/research-library/profiting-from-crime-laws-against/

RP attempted to sell his memoirs http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/pickton-book-amazon-outrage-1.3457989

...but Amazon refused to sell them after a deluge of complaints.

PB is also a published author http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-publishes-despicable-violent-ebook-on-amazon

And of course there is the case of DS and CS, who are defending themselves against the court's finding of their guilt on the web http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/05/ezekiel-stephan-collet-stephan_n_10819200.html

The DS and CS case interests me the most, because of the judge's rather unusual ruling that they post the facts of the sentencing on their Facebook and webpage. It makes me wonder if it were possible to force offenders to publish the sentencing ruling in their case as a forward to any material they might write.

You can't just silence those found guilty: imagine if GPM or DM had no right to speak publicly about their cases. But it is an interesting idea to force the accused to post the facts of their case as found by law, if they want to debate it.

BBM - That's a great idea! Maybe you could write the French & Mahaffy families' lawyer Tim Danson to see if that is possible or suggest it. (Or tweet him, I don't know if he's on twitter). http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2015/11/12/bernardos-book-could-work-against-him-lawyer

Stephen Williams corresponded with KH while she was still in prison. He published what she wrote but also detailed her crimes. https://www.amazon.ca/Karla-Pact-Devil-Stephen-Williams/dp/0770429629/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467760602&sr=8-1&keywords=karla+homolka

DM wrote to people other than CN. I've wondered if his other letters will surface one day. Maybe your suggestion of a disclaimer would help frame them in the truth.


ETA: Here's Tim Danson's website (he doesn't seem to be very active on twitter) http://timdanson.com/about-tim-danson/

 

[Deleted member 102539]

O/T

Last night I did a little sleuthing on Au*rey Gl**ve case (Ancaster), I looked on Fb for a man and I looked on Fb for one of his male relatives as always - nothing new and important (as always too). The next click I did on one person (out of nearly 160) of the relative's friend list and someone stood out to me only because of his hometown. A little bit bored and far off from hoping to find something I clicked and - shock!! First I saw a picture of TIM with 6 of his friends and then several pics of him each with different friends. TIM always got lovingly mocking comments re the event that was pictured. In any case his friends had fun with him. TIM looked attractive and nice as we know him from his pics on the TB threads page 1. - I had never seen private pics of him since 2013. To see them unexpectedly was interesting but much more verrry sad. R.I.P. Tim :rose:

 

[deugirtni]

So DM might go in part with the 'ineffective counsel' route in his appeal.
:cow:

Just wondering on that thought.. ineffective counsel in the eyes of the convicted? Or does there actually have to be some substantial and substantiated proof? All along, it seemed that all of the media were saying how expert and competent both of the accuseds' lawyers were (as well as the Crown lawyers), and what a great job the lawyers were doing on behalf of their clients.... which they were, according to all of the legal arguments they raised all along. Does anyone know what would need to be proven,or does it even need to be proven, as to whether a convicted's counsel was ineffective, for that to be used as grounds for appeal?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Just wondering on that thought.. ineffective counsel in the eyes of the convicted? Or does there actually have to be some substantial and substantiated proof? All along, it seemed that all of the media were saying how expert and competent both of the accuseds' lawyers were (as well as the Crown lawyers), and what a great job the lawyers were doing on behalf of their clients.... which they were, according to all of the legal arguments they raised all along. Does anyone know what would need to be proven,or does it even need to be proven, as to whether a convicted's counsel was ineffective, for that to be used as grounds for appeal?

In order to appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel, DM would have to prove that RP and NS were professionally incompetent or there was a miscarriage of justice:

http://www.ontariocourts.ca/coa/en/notices/adminadv/protocol.htm

12. Materials Filed by the Appellant: Appeal counsel shall file any and all materials in support of an allegation of professional incompetence, or an allegation that the conduct of trial counsel otherwise contributed to a miscarriage of justice, with the Court as soon as possible, no later than any deadline established by the case management Judge, and before the appeal is listed for argument. These supporting materials may include any necessary transcript of the trial proceedings, an affidavit from the appellant, an affidavit from trial counsel, an affidavit from any other witness who had an opportunity to observe the relevant events, or any other relevant documentation.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

A new article from Susan Clairmont:

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/6758311-clairmont-bosma-killers-file-appeals/

Smich's appeal consists of a total of two handwritten sentences:

He does not include a 13-point appendix laying out specifics like his co-offender Dellen Millard does in his notice of appeal. (Justice Andrew Goodman "erred in failing to grant the change of venue application; erred in permitting the introduction of the post-offence conduct evidence regarding the incineration of the deceased; erred in failing to grant the mistrial application …")

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[Oreck]

The losers in court have to file within 30 days to keep the door open for an appeal, so they always do.

Does any supersleuther know how long this holds the door for them?

 

[SnooperDuper]

The losers in court have to file within 30 days to keep the door open for an appeal, so they always do.

Does any supersleuther know how long this holds the door for them?

They have both appealed, so they have both met the 30 day deadline to appeal.

This is only the beginning of the appeal process that generally takes months, if not years, to play out.

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/6758311-clairmont-bosma-killers-file-appeals

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont
If Millard and Smich are convicted of another first degree midst they will be designated as DOs.

Should say "first degree murder" but I know people were wondering about this and there you are.

DO = Dangerous Offender.

 

[Georgeo]

A new article from Susan Clairmont:

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/6758311-clairmont-bosma-killers-file-appeals/

Smich's appeal consists of a total of two handwritten sentences:

He does not include a 13-point appendix laying out specifics like his co-offender Dellen Millard does in his notice of appeal. (Justice Andrew Goodman "erred in failing to grant the change of venue application; erred in permitting the introduction of the post-offence conduct evidence regarding the incineration of the deceased; erred in failing to grant the mistrial application &#8230;")

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How eloquent.... that's the best he can come up with? Sad...

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Latest article from Adrian Humphreys, the National Post:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ces-of-appeal-complaining-my-trial-was-unfair

Millard and Smich both request to argue their appeals at the Court of Appeal for Ontario in person and, if granted a new trial, request another jury trial, instead of trial before a judge alone.


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[SnooperDuper]

Adam Carter

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...es-tim-bosma-s-killers-file-appeals-1.3670844

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The losers in court have to file within 30 days to keep the door open for an appeal, so they always do.

Does any supersleuther know how long this holds the door for them?

MR's appeal is still ongoing, four years after his murder conviction of Tori Stafford.

More than two years after a judge urged that school girl killer Michael Rafferty’s appeal of his murder conviction begin “as soon as possible,” lawyers have yet to file a single argument.

Not even the timetable for the exchange of documents, also requested by Ontario Court of Appeal Justice Marc Rosenberg, has been produced.

As to Rosenberg’s explicit directions about the handling of transcripts, one was filed in court about a year ago

Rafferty received leave to appeal in November 2012, but it took more than year for the court to decide who should pay for his lawyer and what level of legal help he should receive.

http://www.lfpress.com/2016/01/20/child-killer-raffertys-slow-mo-appeal-raises-eyebrows

IMO, lack of funds for the appeals for both DM & MS may delay the process.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

A new article from Susan Clairmont:

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/6758311-clairmont-bosma-killers-file-appeals/

Smich's appeal consists of a total of two handwritten sentences:

He does not include a 13-point appendix laying out specifics like his co-offender Dellen Millard does in his notice of appeal. (Justice Andrew Goodman "erred in failing to grant the change of venue application; erred in permitting the introduction of the post-offence conduct evidence regarding the incineration of the deceased; erred in failing to grant the mistrial application …")

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How interesting to see his hand-written notice of appeal. 30 days to come up with something, and that's it.

SB speaking shortly after the 1st degree verdicts, about the murderers' previous claims that the trial was 'unfair':

"What is unfair...is that this does not bring Tim back".

[video]https://youtu.be/ZqWRuA5vYwQ?t=1m[/video]

 

[Tealgrove]

Just thinking about the fact that MS thinks his trial was unfair while we all think it was unfair because of all the evidence that couldn't be presented at trial.

Interesting when opposing sides think the same thing but for different reasons.

 

[Jen Darme]

So... DM believes it was unfair that evidence of the incineration and from searches of his home, farm, and electronic devices was included in his trial. How convenient.

:boohoo:​