Verdict is in! GUILTY of MURDER ONE - Hung Jury On Penalty Phase

[MissJ]

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"Little girl" Really? :banghead: She was 27-years-old when she murdered Travis and 32-years-old NOW - she is certainly not a "little girl." That statement alone is extremely revealing... :banghead:

Jumping off your post..I'm shocked! There is nothing little about her. She is 5' 6" and weighed at least 125. She has huge hands. She is NOT little.I'm surprised we even got a conviction with this guy!:stormingmad:

 

[camcneishg]

just watched the gma video....interesting that the reporter states that the juror's KNEW FROM THE MINUTE THEY GOT BACK THERE that there was a dead lock.

 

[SheltieMom1]

Travis said some not very polite things to Jodi in some of his emails and text messages. I'll go beyond that and call them rude.

Ergo, Jodi is somewhat of a victim.

Ergo, regardless of what she did to Travis, Jodi deserves some consideration in the sentencing phase.

That is my take on what the jury foreman said. It is not an opinion I share.

I so wish there existed more evidence of what Jodi did to deserve Travis's angry words. I think she lucked out in that the secret behind the text/emails died with Travis.

I guess the message truly is, for DV victims (like Travis) document, document, document. Jodi got that advice right in one of her many interviews. If Travis had confided in even one person what all Jodi had pulled on him, and how she scammed him, JM would have been able to establish the reason for TA's reaction. Without context, the words seem angry for no reason, and ALV got a foothold and traction off that.

JMO

 

[Gin]

Agreed and how about her lil tidbit about not having to worry unless you abuse her etc. (paraphrased).

And I am so hoping that that comment (maybe one of the few times ckja has ever told the truth) will be her ticket to LWOP if it comes to a judge decision down the road.

 

[Jane Jetson]

This judge was not the appropriate judge for this case, MOO. The crying at the end confirmed it.:twocents:

She cried?? Was it because CKJA didn't get the death penalty?

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

Well, based on what we're hearing I'd say it's a miracle that this jury found JA guilty of murder one and found it to be especially cruel....grateful for that.

Honestly now I can count no one but the Judge. I hope she does the right thing and makes sure JA never ever gets out.

The reason I am not happy with the juror hang up is that it is a direct contradiction to their M1 w/extreme cruelty. The way I understood the penalty was that if the jury voted for "Life" it is out of their hands.

JSS would decide if it were LWP or LWOP. Presuming that much is correct and given the absolute obscenity in the viciousness of the crime they've already acknowledged, how on this spinning earth could anyone in good conscience take the chance that she could one day walk out a free woman? No matter how infinitesimal the probability odds are, it is still possible and that is why I thought Juan's close was so brilliant.

I thought he expertly sealed all of JA's possible exits. So if they were hung, it meant some were ok with the chance, no matter how small, that she could be free one day.

THAT is why I'm annoyed. Either they didn't understand that part or they did understand but they were ok with it and that contradicts the extreme cruelty. She's a mad dog. Why would you ever risk unleashing her on the public. The DP was the only logical option and 4 jurors choked.

Doesn't make them less human, it makes them more human. But it also made them less effective in making a decision that was for the greater good. JMO

 

[cityslick]

just watched the gma video....interesting that the reporter states that the juror's KNEW FROM THE MINUTE THEY GOT BACK THERE that there was a dead lock.

I think it was really obvious they were going to have issues with disagreement when the question went to the judge on Wednesday and she gave them the Allen charge. They already knew at that point that there were some that were pretty firm on life. So if you take that into account, they tried for a day and a half to convince everyone to agree and it wasn't happening. I applaud them for at least making an attempt to come to an agreement.

I posed the question yesterday and I'll ask again, it was the other way around, 8-4 in favor of life, would you still have an issue with the deadlock or would you applaud those who stood by their convictions?

 

[oyeyemi808]

Yes! That is what he said! I wonder if he was one of the holdouts.

I wonder if there was a deal made when the jury FINALLY agreed to murder one. Was there a holdout for that, and they told that holdout that if he/she agreed to murder one, they wouldn't go for the DP.

was that one of the jury instructions?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Maybe not impeccable but their correspondents are alot more believable than some of the media hounds they have chasing people down the street for a story..

Boy, I have to say I was really disgusted with some of media types yesterday. Camping out, hoping to shove a microphone in front of the Alexander family. Have they no real respect? They go on air and talk about how devastated the family is, but gee they hope to get that interview when they pass by. Ugh.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This judge was not the appropriate judge for this case, MOO. The crying at the end confirmed it.:twocents:

I don't think she was crying. I did not see crying it sounded like she was just trying to find the right words.

She did awesome. Nothing in this case will be reversed because of the DT not getting what they needed for a fair trial.

 

[missmazzy]

I agree.

Isn't horrible that they (the DT and Jodi) have caused us to even have to consider manipulative reasons for certain actions?

Sandy Arias has been at trial every day for her daughter. She's visited her in jail every week, supposedly. I don't think, at this very critical point, she'd just on her own, decide, hey, I'm going to go hours away and who cares about a critical verdict? I just don't see a mom doing that. And she can't be that dense not to know that oftentimes there is a big push to try to come to a verdict at the end of a week. And a long weekend.

So, that leads me to believe there's more to it. On all these other court weekends, she could have gone to the Grand Canyon. Why now of all times?

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, LOL, but I think there's a back story relating to the DT.

Yeah, so if there is a retrial of the last phase, the DT can use the fact that her mom went sightseeing as yet more proof of family abandonment. :banghead:

 

[cityslick]

The reason I am not happy with the juror hang up is that it is a direct contradiction to their M1 w/extreme cruelty. The way I understood the penalty was that if the jury voted for "Life" it is out of their hands.

JSS would decide if it were LWP or LWOP. Presuming that much is correct and given the absolute obscenity in the viciousness of the crime they've already acknowledged, how on this spinning earth could anyone in good conscience take the chance that she could one day walk out a free woman? No matter how infinitesimal the probability odds are, it is still possible and that is why I thought Juan's close was so brilliant.

I thought he expertly sealed all of JA's possible exits. So if they were hung, it meant some were ok with the chance, no matter how small, that she could be free one day.

THAT is why I'm annoyed. Either they didn't understand that part or they did understand but they were ok with it and that contradicts the extreme cruelty. She's a mad dog. Why would you ever risk unleashing her on the public. The DP was the only logical option and 4 jurors choked.

Doesn't make them less human, it makes them more human. But it also made them less effective in making a decision that was for the greater good. JMO

Agreeing with the cruelty aspect only means it warrants entertaining the possibility of death. It doesn't mean she should get death automatically because of the cruelty. If that's the case why even have a third deliberation?

Perhaps that's what's wrong with process to begin with, that there was a seperate decision to determine cruelty. I thought I read somewhere that AZ is unique in how they do that with the DP, most other states with the DP go straight to the sentencing after the M1 conviction.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Boy, I have to say I was really disgusted with some of media types yesterday. Camping out, hoping to shove a microphone in front of the Alexander family. Have they no real respect? They go on air and talk about how devastated the family is, but gee they hope to get that interview when they pass by. Ugh.

Really?? Because if it was not for the media, We would not get any information about this case. We would not be notified of verdicts or anything..

I think that people like to blame the media, But watch and use them when it works for them.

THIS IS THEIR JOB! That is what they are there for to bring us information..

Some are better than others, but it is their job.

 

[Arabian Girl]

This is so dead-on. What an insight!

Is there any worse abandonment that your ENTIRE family going on vacation while your death sentence is pending? It's almost like they are rubbing her face in it. Oh and Dad who was too sick to come down for the trial and they claim "doesn't travel well" is on this road trip too?! OUCH!!

My girlfriend gave me a hard time but I told her a few days ago I wouldn't be surprised if the M & D would be relieved to have her gone for good once and for all.

Hard to imagine but not for a family dynamic like this. BPD is RARELY purely a biological condition, sometimes but rarely. To me this just makes more sense of everything.

 

[DebinGA]

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jodi-ari...-gma-how-they-reached-verdict-and-then-didnt/

GMA interview with jury foreman. I'm shocked at what I heard. They actually bought into her claims??? ALV must have been better than we all thought.

It might have only been the foreman that thought TA abused JA "mentally and emotionally" and the other 3 had other reasons for voting no dp. He made it clear that the discussion was rancorous in the jury room at the last. I think the foreman went on tv asap because he anticipates other jurors will be saying some unflattering things about him soon, and he wanted to speak first.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

She cried?? Was it because CKJA didn't get the death penalty?

I'm not sure that's the reason. It could be the letdown of having the mistrial, after all this. All this time, all this expense. The personal sacrifices of the jurors themselves, both families, the prosecutors and even DT, etc. So much invested, but having to waive it all off and possibly start over. I think she was sincere in thanking them for their service, and was just feeling the weight of the unfortunate conclusion (or, lack thereof).

 

[Hopeful One]

How many of these jurors are going to deeply regret their decision once they see her post-conviction interviews, along with headstands, "I still beat you, brat," "You're so weird anyway," "You could have at least done your makeup Jodi, gosh," "Can I see those photos? It's just a morbid curiosity," etc. etc.

 

[MeeBee]

It doesn't sound like any of them believe that she was physically abused though, or she would not have gotten murder one. But saying they think maybe TA was emotionally abusive to JA is not that big of a stretch. He did also say it was not an excuse to murder, so again, they don't believe the physical abuse. They could possible believe, regardless of her lies, that Travis was not so nice to Jodi and even though he didn't deserve to die and it is murder one, she shouldn't get the DP. That's not a stretch to me. I don't agree with it, but the jurors have limited information and some of the older ones may feel that Travis stringing Jodi along and calling her names is what pushed her being that she is mentally disturbed. Perhaps they need perspective and they will get it. Perhaps not. She is very manipulative and some bought the verbal abuse thing. Oh well. But Jodi was convicted so that's all that matters. She will never get out of prison. No judge will give her 25 to life.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Really?? Because if it was not for the media, We would not get any information about this case. We would not be notified of verdicts or anything..

I think that people like to blame the media, But watch and use them when it works for them.

THIS IS THEIR JOB! That is what they are there for to bring us information..

Some are better than others, but it is their job.

Oh, please don't misunderstand me. I only wish they would leave the grieving family alone as they're still coming to grips with what just happened. give them time and space. 15-30 minutes after what just happened and I wouldn't want a microphone in my face.

Nothing about other actions at other times by the media. Yes, I know they have a job to do.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Agreeing with the cruelty aspect only means it warrants entertaining the possibility of death. It doesn't mean she should get death automatically because of the cruelty. If that's the case why even have a third deliberation?

Perhaps that's what's wrong with process to begin with, that there was a seperate decision to determine cruelty. I thought I read somewhere that AZ is unique in how they do that with the DP, most other states with the DP go straight to the sentencing after the M1 conviction.

The thing is that only jurors can sentence people to death in AZ. It is to be a juror of their peers that makes that determination not a Judge.

So it has to be voted on. They have paved the way for another Jury to be able to find for death, But in the end I think we will end up with LWOP.