Verdict Watch 05/04/ and 05/05/2013

[Garlandy]

I spent a good three hours searching and got nothing.
I'd like to know too!

Does anyone know anything else about Mr. Martinez...is he married, any children...it would be interesting to know a little background on this fascinating man.

 

[kwmred]

Bringing this over from the last thread...



I never said that Travis raped Jodi. I said that Nurmi IS correct that penetrating a sleeping woman is rape because she is not in a condition to give consent. It's exactly the same thing as penetrating a woman who is passed out or otherwise unconscious. I have no idea why ANYONE would try to argue this FACT that someone who is asleep is not in a condition where they are ABLE to give consent.

I also said that between many couples this is acceptable behavior because the consent is implied as they both KNOW that the consent is implied are ok with doing this. Though I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to be treated like nothing more than a semen receptacle and particularly by someone that they believe loves or at least cares for them. If a guy can't be BOTHERED to wake you up first and make sexual advances FIRST to see if you are interested in having sex at that time then I have a lot of choice four letter words for someone like that.

I also said that in the case of Jodi and Travis, Jodi said herself that she enjoyed it when he woke her up by having sex with her, and OBVIOUSLY in that case it is not rape because of the implied consent - they both KNEW that this activity was something that they were ok with doing. And I also said that I don't believe it ever happened at all anyway, and this is just one more of Jodi's many fabricated sex stories. Sorry, but I just can't believe that Travis was the kind of person (particularly being so inexperienced with sex compared to the average non-Mormon unmarried male) would be so gross and selfish to do something like that even if he knew she was ok with it.

Just because Jodi is a murdering monster is no reason to pretend that penetrating a woman when she is asleep and therefore cannot consent to sex is not rape and no big deal. And AGAIN, I'm NOT saying that this is what happened to Jodi with Travis. In their particular case it was either implied consent since Jodi said that she enjoyed it or just another one of her infinite fabricated sex stories.

Again, all I was doing was correcting another person's post about this that Nurmi IS correct that penetrating a women when she is asleep and therefore unable to give consent to sex is rape according to the law and according to anyone with even a modicum of a moral compass. What he was incorrect about was that Travis did this to Jodi and trying to claim it was rape when she said herself that she enjoyed it and therefore there was implied consent between them.

Just because you have a sexual relationship with someone does not give that someone all sexual rights to your body as though you were nothing more than a lump of flesh that said someone owns.

Incidently, just because someone was raped 5 years ago doesn't make it any less rape just because they never go to the police about it or even tell anyone at all about it. How sick a society we live in where women are STILL made to feel dirty and ashamed because they were raped. And how sick a society we live in that there are so many people - even women - that actually believe that a man has some God given right to penetrate a woman they have a sexual relationship with while she is asleep and unable to give consent.

It was not rape (if it even happened the way Jodi said or AT ALL). You might want to go look up the definition of rape. Also, Jodi admitted she liked being woken up with sex and she said this to Travis. We have this on tape - it's in evidence. Rape is a violent crime. Nurmi is dead wrong.

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Here ya go!!!

It's in TWO parts: Scroll down to #177 and 185:
I hope everyone gets a chance to read this post - it's brilliant, IMO.

http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/jodi-arias-murder-trial-day-fifty-seven/#comments

Holy carp that's scary! Put this psycho away post haste jury. She WILL kill again if given the opportunity.

 

[marlap]

I went to bed last night thinking about what I would do if I were on the jury and woke up still thinking about it and I came to the conclusion that it's the slit throat that will unanimously get JA convicted of 1st Degree Murder.

If I were in the room, what I would suggest to my fellow jurors is this, lets start with the presumption that every single thing JA and her team of psychologists have told us is the absolute truth, every last bit of it, regardless of any other evidence. JA was a battered woman, her self-esteem was low, Travis was a deviant, and the result of her killing him has caused her PTSD. Lets assume she is absolutely truthful that he kept a gun in his closet, that he threatened her that day and she feared for her life, she ran for the gun terrified of this man, pointed it at him, didn't know it was loaded and shot and it went off and hit him in the head and he lunged at her. Her fog rolls in here, but lets imagine the chaotic scenario that could have happened next that Mr. Nurmi laid out for us.

He's still alive and able to attack her, gunshot wound and all, he still has the strength to physically confront her in a total rage, she fears for her life and grabs the knife off the counter and just starts stabbing wildly and blindly. One of those stab wounds pierces his heart. In your deepest imagination, put yourself in that position, a gunshot wound to the head, a heart that is pierced, two major organs that essentially give you all life are damaged and bleeding. What is your automatic response to pain or even a cut? To put your hands on the pain/wound to apply pressure and try to relieve the pain or stop the bleeding. He's bleeding out from his head, he's bleeding out from his heart. Where are his hands? Even if I can somehow convince myself that he's not got his hands covering both major wounds and is still trying to attack her, at the very least, there is so much blood loss happening that he is disoriented, coughing out blood and weakening rapidly, any cyborg attempt to still hurt JA has got to be utterly compromised. There is no human way for him to be strong enough to still be a threat to her life. He is, at the very least, on his knees. She is blind with rage after all the abuse she feels she's suffered (though apparently did not feel abused until several years later when ALV has reluctantly dragged it out of her) and the fear her life and looking at him on his knees, she must know she can get away at this point, that he is wounded enough that he is no longer a threat to her safety.

And this is where she makes the choice to slit his throat, to make sure he is dead for once and for all. And it's that choice, that 1-10 seconds, whatever it may have been where she can assess what has happened, what is happening, what the state of him is, which is clearly from behind, thus not making him a threat to her, the heat of passion dulled ever so slightly, the clear and present danger and fear of it, lulled ever so slightly and lifts his head, slicing a clean wound from ear to ear. That is an absolutely premeditated choice.

Then I would suggest to the other jurors that if you can get premeditation from even the worst imaginable scenario where Travis is everything the defense has made him out to be and more and was the sole aggressor in that confrontation, then lets consider the severity of what has happened as measured by our common sense and what we heard on the stand and what we would do in any of these scenarios and find that there is literally no way around the notion of premeditation, whether she planned it weeks before or made the choice in seconds and the choice should be clear.

(For the record, of course, I do not believe one word out of JA or her defense's mouths with regards to what actually happened or who Travis truly was and was merely trying to imagine how I would lay out how all roads lead back to the throat slitting, ultimately, no matter what took first gunshot or stabbing and no matter whose version is more accurate.)

Welcome to our group brika! Great post....

:wagon:

 

[Irisha]

I wonder how much sedation JA is requiring this weekend. lease: Not much light at the end of the tunnel she is looking thru. :stormingmad:

I would guess for sure she is on suicide watch.

She better have more than a nic on the wrist. She may go for the dramatic this weekend, to have more news than the verdict. But I think she is being watched very carefully so the state carry out her sentence before she kills herself. Keep in mind it was easier to slaughter Travis, and keep saying she wouldn't be around to be convicted. She's still here.

 

[rose222]

I went to bed last night thinking about what I would do if I were on the jury and woke up still thinking about it and I came to the conclusion that it's the slit throat that will unanimously get JA convicted of 1st Degree Murder.

If I were in the room, what I would suggest to my fellow jurors is this, lets start with the presumption that every single thing JA and her team of psychologists have told us is the absolute truth, every last bit of it, regardless of any other evidence. JA was a battered woman, her self-esteem was low, Travis was a deviant, and the result of her killing him has caused her PTSD. Lets assume she is absolutely truthful that he kept a gun in his closet, that he threatened her that day and she feared for her life, she ran for the gun terrified of this man, pointed it at him, didn't know it was loaded and shot and it went off and hit him in the head and he lunged at her. Her fog rolls in here, but lets imagine the chaotic scenario that could have happened next that Mr. Nurmi laid out for us.

He's still alive and able to attack her, gunshot wound and all, he still has the strength to physically confront her in a total rage, she fears for her life and grabs the knife off the counter and just starts stabbing wildly and blindly. One of those stab wounds pierces his heart. In your deepest imagination, put yourself in that position, a gunshot wound to the head, a heart that is pierced, two major organs that essentially give you all life are damaged and bleeding. What is your automatic response to pain or even a cut? To put your hands on the pain/wound to apply pressure and try to relieve the pain or stop the bleeding. He's bleeding out from his head, he's bleeding out from his heart. Where are his hands? Even if I can somehow convince myself that he's not got his hands covering both major wounds and is still trying to attack her, at the very least, there is so much blood loss happening that he is disoriented, coughing out blood and weakening rapidly, any cyborg attempt to still hurt JA has got to be utterly compromised. There is no human way for him to be strong enough to still be a threat to her life. He is, at the very least, on his knees. She is blind with rage after all the abuse she feels she's suffered (though apparently did not feel abused until several years later when ALV has reluctantly dragged it out of her) and the fear her life and looking at him on his knees, she must know she can get away at this point, that he is wounded enough that he is no longer a threat to her safety.

And this is where she makes the choice to slit his throat, to make sure he is dead for once and for all. And it's that choice, that 1-10 seconds, whatever it may have been where she can assess what has happened, what is happening, what the state of him is, which is clearly from behind, thus not making him a threat to her, the heat of passion dulled ever so slightly, the clear and present danger and fear of it, lulled ever so slightly and lifts his head, slicing a clean wound from ear to ear. That is an absolutely premeditated choice.

Then I would suggest to the other jurors that if you can get premeditation from even the worst imaginable scenario where Travis is everything the defense has made him out to be and more and was the sole aggressor in that confrontation, then lets consider the severity of what has happened as measured by our common sense and what we heard on the stand and what we would do in any of these scenarios and find that there is literally no way around the notion of premeditation, whether she planned it weeks before or made the choice in seconds and the choice should be clear.

(For the record, of course, I do not believe one word out of JA or her defense's mouths with regards to what actually happened or who Travis truly was and was merely trying to imagine how I would lay out how all roads lead back to the throat slitting, ultimately, no matter what took first gunshot or stabbing and no matter whose version is more accurate.)

One of the best posts I've read on here. Brilliant!

 

[Breezy1]

Jodi's behaviour fit with Dr.Demarte evaluation of her: that she has borderline personality disorder: A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation. http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/symptoms-of-borderline-personality-disorder/ So Jodi could be stalking TA and then turn around and make him feel like "a dildo with a heartbeat".

She actually said to Det.Flores that she didn't know the relationship with Mimi wasn't serious. That she was trying to move on because she thought Travis had found someone he wanted to marry.

I know that they devalue and idealize. But, whats weird is she actually moved away in the first place and then continued to talk to him. Most BPD, or at least when I hear about relationships with them and the person finally gets away the Borderline vanished, to avoid dealing with the abandonment and move onto the next person.

And also, if she felt Travis loved Mimi and found the one, its hard to beleive she viewed her as a threat if he had sex with her. She had pictures, she could have ended that relationship quickly much like the email to Andrews. Why was this time different? She started talking to Burns. Why not just latch onto him and go forward there? Or why not just stay in Mesa if she couldn't get over Travis to continue stalking him and trying to wiggle herself back in? It's just all so very bizzare, even for a Borderline.

 

[Nali87]

I know that they devalue and idealize. But, whats weird is she actually moved away in the first place and then continued to talk to him. Most BPD, or at least when I hear about relationships with them and the person finally gets away the Borderline vanished, to avoid dealing with the abandonment and move onto the next person.

And also, if she felt Travis loved Mimi and found the one, its hard to beleive she viewed her as a threat if he had sex with her. She had pictures, she could have ended that relationship quickly much like the email to Andrews. Why was this time different? She started talking to Burns. Why not just latch onto him and go forward there? Or why not just stay in Mesa if she couldn't get over Travis to continue stalking him and trying to wiggle herself back in? It's just all so very bizzare, even for a Borderline.

She was forced to move away though. She didn't have a job or a place to live anymore. I think Jodi wanted Travis to love her and marry her. I think she figured that sending sexual pictures of herself and Travis to Mimi could end up breaking up TA and Mimi' relationship, yes, but it could also lead to Travis getting angry at her, even start to hate her even more and as a result of that not wanting to be with her at all anymore = so no marriage. That's the reason, that I could think of, that she wouldn't have tried to break them up by sending Mimi emails. After all, it didn't work when she did the same to Andrews, she didn't get TA back. I think she changed her M.O because of that. Seduce him into accepting me again, dating me again, show him how good I am for him, how nice I am, etc, etc instead of acting like an evil stalkish jealous woman.

 

[Alexander family fan]

I wonder how much sedation JA is requiring this weekend. lease: Not much light at the end of the tunnel she is looking thru. :stormingmad:

I would guess for sure she is on suicide watch.

Looking at her face while Juan is in his final comments, she does look strangely detached, it is odd , right?
http://youtu.be/CIC5SYRNawU

Naaa, she is delusional, planning her appeal. Too self absorbed to take her own life. Those suicide threats, those were lies. She fancies herself as quite the celebrity in jail, and likely has more friend there than she has had in years. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: She was living in relative squalor at her grandparents home, so her small room is no big change. She likely imagines that one day she'll get out and write a book and sell the movie rights and get rich. She is not in reality.

I am looking so forward to Travis' brothers and sisters reading their victim statements in court. Katie said they have been working on them. God bless them, that must be soooo hard, trying to sum up how they loved him, how they will miss him, how they have been impacted by the murder.

 

[LinasK]

Yes she does. There was one point during the trial I distinctively remember when Juan was describing the pedophile allegations, the camera flipped over to Jodi and she just smirked and smiled. It was so obvious she knew the pedophile accusations were just her own lies and she was so proud of herself that Juan had to invest so much time and energy to even talk about them.

It was sickening to me to see her relish in her own lies. She knew all the attention on that lie would just demean Travis and his family. What a horrible evil person she is.

The good news for this weekend is that the trashing of Travis is over!!! And we never have to hear that awful sex tape ever again, including trashing 12-year-olds!!!

 

[kaydono]

I went to bed last night thinking about what I would do if I were on the jury and woke up still thinking about it and I came to the conclusion that it's the slit throat that will unanimously get JA convicted of 1st Degree Murder.

If I were in the room, what I would suggest to my fellow jurors is this, lets start with the presumption that every single thing JA and her team of psychologists have told us is the absolute truth, every last bit of it, regardless of any other evidence. JA was a battered woman, her self-esteem was low, Travis was a deviant, and the result of her killing him has caused her PTSD. Lets assume she is absolutely truthful that he kept a gun in his closet, that he threatened her that day and she feared for her life, she ran for the gun terrified of this man, pointed it at him, didn't know it was loaded and shot and it went off and hit him in the head and he lunged at her. Her fog rolls in here, but lets imagine the chaotic scenario that could have happened next that Mr. Nurmi laid out for us.

He's still alive and able to attack her, gunshot wound and all, he still has the strength to physically confront her in a total rage, she fears for her life and grabs the knife off the counter and just starts stabbing wildly and blindly. One of those stab wounds pierces his heart. In your deepest imagination, put yourself in that position, a gunshot wound to the head, a heart that is pierced, two major organs that essentially give you all life are damaged and bleeding. What is your automatic response to pain or even a cut? To put your hands on the pain/wound to apply pressure and try to relieve the pain or stop the bleeding. He's bleeding out from his head, he's bleeding out from his heart. Where are his hands? Even if I can somehow convince myself that he's not got his hands covering both major wounds and is still trying to attack her, at the very least, there is so much blood loss happening that he is disoriented, coughing out blood and weakening rapidly, any cyborg attempt to still hurt JA has got to be utterly compromised. There is no human way for him to be strong enough to still be a threat to her life. He is, at the very least, on his knees. She is blind with rage after all the abuse she feels she's suffered (though apparently did not feel abused until several years later when ALV has reluctantly dragged it out of her) and fears for her life and looking at him on his knees, she must know she can get away at this point, that he is wounded enough that he is no longer a threat to her safety.

And this is where she makes the choice to slit his throat, to make sure he is dead for once and for all. And it's that choice, that 1-10 seconds, whatever it may have been where she can assess what has happened, what is happening, what the state of him is, which is clearly from behind, thus not making him a threat to her, the heat of passion dulled ever so slightly, the clear and present danger and fear of it, lulled ever so slightly and lifts his head, slicing a clean wound from ear to ear. That is an absolutely premeditated choice.

Then I would suggest to the other jurors that if you can get premeditation from even the worst imaginable scenario where Travis is everything the defense has made him out to be and more and was the sole aggressor in that confrontation, then lets consider the severity of what has happened as measured by our common sense and what we heard on the stand and what we would do in any of these scenarios and find that there is literally no way around the notion of premeditation, whether she planned it weeks before or made the choice in seconds and the choice should be clear.

(For the record, of course, I do not believe one word out of JA or her defense's mouths with regards to what actually happened or who Travis truly was and was merely trying to imagine how I would lay out how all roads lead back to the throat slitting, ultimately, no matter what took place first gunshot or stabbing and no matter whose version is more accurate.)

Awesome post. I sure wish the jurors could read this one. Makes perfect sense. :winner:

 

[kayice]

Here ya go!!!

It's in TWO parts: Scroll down to #177 and 185:
I hope everyone gets a chance to read this post - it's brilliant, IMO.

http://callsforjustice.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/jodi-arias-murder-trial-day-fifty-seven/#comments

I read some things about the Mormon religion way back then (other religions also had strange things that happened and were awful) and Jodi's ridiculous stories, along with Carr's..and starting thinking. People don't like to think about stuff like this, I even sent a private note to Elle awhile back about that. Jodi is freaking evil and sick. Shedding the blood and the use of water, baptizing. It all fits, where she cut him. Jodi was trying to blame the Mormons in interviews with Flores, the man and woman ...ninjas. (in her usual passive-aggressive way as was Carr)...this was all Jodi.

I seen the Snow White drawing and seen the symbols, seen that eye symbol. So creepy. I've questioned if Jodi was trying to shoot a snuff film. She's that evil, I don't think people can accept the truth...Juan probably knows but most people cannot believe, a woman, especially would do that. It is too complicated and horrifying, but one wants to understand so we can get people like that off the streets before they pull a "Jodi".

G-d help me, I didn't really believe in death penalties before because of all the mistakes happening and I cannot stand those tasers used too often. But, I so want both to happen to Killer Arias. There is no "being" in her physical form, her "Einstein" brain :facepalm: is used only for manipulation to do evil.
Justice for Travis and his family/friends and for all the people she has hurt. Gentle hugs for all those who have suffered from real DV (I can relate) or suffer from mental health issues, the Mormon faith, her family and friends. I pray that it comes out what Jodi truly is a psychopath or sociopath....or just plain the devil with plastics.
I pray G-d gives Jodi everything she deserves. (I think G-d loves Juan Martinez.)

 

[Love Never Fails]

her butt is up in the air in the one pic[ I do not wanna see that again]
but looks like she was pretty well agreeable to all they did, she just made stuff up to make him seem bad. I do not think he had it in him to be bad to anybody.Obviously he was a trusting man, look where kindness and trust got him..

I am so glad the only picture I looked at was the one of the terrified look on Travis face. The others? I couldn't stomach her or the autopsy pics.
Poor jurors!

 

[Rocco]

Well...she had to wait for the FOG to lift... :facepalm: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Right and then she'd have amnesia after, according to RS. What a life.

 

[nawd68]

Who else is feeling nervous over the verdict? I'm not confident in a first degree verdict. Someone reassure me!

 

[Rocco]

The good news for this weekend is that the trashing of Travis is over!!! And we never have to hear that awful sex tape ever again, including trashing 12-year-olds!!!

Unless you turn on HLN. They were still playing it last night.

 

[dani]

Hope it won't bring on one of her headaches. Oh wait, yes I do. I'm betting she can't 'call in sick' for the chain gang like she did for court.

BBM:

You're SO RIGHT!!! Sheriff Joe doesn't "suffer fools".:great:

"Among his most controversial moves are to institute female chain gangs that work outside on the roadside for seven hours a day, and the controversial “Tent City,” which has been described as an outdoor concentration camp where inmates’ shoes melt in the triple digit heat. “It’s 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn’t commit any crimes, so shut your mouths,” Arpaio has been known to shout at prisoners who dare to complain."

I'd forgo all birthday and Christmas gifts this year just to see her in leg irons/shackles picking up roadside trash or scrubbing outhouse toilets in 120 degree heat.

Oh boy! I'm so excited about this! Please, God, make this happen. lease: lease: lease:

P.S. We need one of our talented WSers to PhotoShop Jodi's head onto one of Sheriff Joe's chain gang inmates.:twocents:

 

[cricket49]

Hypocrisy bugs. Wish we could shine a spotlight on all of Juan's lies, lies he's made on record over the years in a court of law.

Jodi is tweeting up a storm.

The poor lit'l killer is mad at Juan............ I hope she is having a restful weekend.

ullhair::anguish:ullhair:[

 

[luvtenniss]

I wonder how much sedation JA is requiring this weekend. lease: Not much light at the end of the tunnel she is looking thru. :stormingmad:

I would guess for sure she is on suicide watch.

I definitely think she is not a happy camper. I saw that someone posted that she sent out some nasty, or angry tweets. I really think Juan hit a big nerve in his final closing when he stated that Travis did not want her in his life and was trying to get rid of her, but shw would not go away. That seems to be the only thing that bothered her - not that she killed an innocent man. As someone else posted before, and I agree with, the one thing in the trial that would have bothered JA the most, was if Travis was still alive and walked in, happily married with his wife. JA wants to think Travis died, wanting her, having been with her, and noone else.

 

[Hatfield]

The good news for this weekend is that the trashing of Travis is over!!! And we never have to hear that awful sex tape ever again, including trashing 12-year-olds!!!

Yes, good point. It is such a relief this is all coming to an end. Her evilness was shown to the world and she purposely dragged on her testimony for many many days to force her evil lies onto all of us.

Her time is up and I am sure we will get the guilty verdict we expect.

I kind of hope she has an outburst and the bailiff is forced to zap her.

I have to admit I would not be disappointed to see her on the ground flailing around while being zapped. But even if that doesn't happen, just watching her being cuffed and taken away will be good enough. I cant wait.