verdict watch 5/8/2013 #3

[CookedGooseinOrlando]

Depends on WHERE you work!

:waiting:
i'm pretending i'm working... while i wait for some good news for travis....... my poor boss

 

[AZWatcher]

all excellent issues. one of the issues i wish Juan had addressed is the question that keeps coming up by the THs: if she wanted to kill him why didn't she just shoot him right away when she got there.

Last night somebody quashed this! I think her name is Dana ... Sorry if I didn't get that right.... She pointed out that Jodi had to account for Travis' roommates before she carried out her plan.


PS... Good Morning All!!

 

[aa9511]

I had this terrible dream last night that the jury had asked for the entire testimony of Alice LaViolette to be read back! Took me a few minutes to recover my senses after I awoke.

On a more serious note, I think the more time that goes by, the more I am convinced we're not likely to see a first degree murder conviction. As much as I'd like the jury to see the evidence the way I do, I think they're hung up on a couple of things that Juan (whom I love and adore, BTW) could have hit harder in rebuttal and closing. To me, the "loose ends" are:

1 - I wish the prosecution had brought Chris Hughes to the stand on rebuttal to provide context for the e-mail that ALV 'interpreted' so selectively for the jury. Not only would it have redeemed the damage it did to TA, but it would have reinforced the idea that Jodi was a wacko and that TA's friends didn't trust her and were actively working to "rescue" him from her.

2 - I wish JM had spent more time arguing alternative murder scenarios and not wedded himself to one, emphasizing to the jury that it doesn't matter which weapon came first in the attack, and that they don't need to figure out what happened in that hallway -- only to conclude that the end result, TA's death, was part of Jodi's plan. In that regard, I wish he'd hammered more on the point that the evidence tells us that Jodi brought BOTH deadly weapons with her (TA owned a gun and at least one bullet, but no other ammo? No gun cleaning items or accessories? Ridiculous. No knife in the house was known to be missing, and none in the house matched his wounds). Even if she hadn't brought them with her, the amount of overkill and the fact that she didn't utilize the many opportunities to "escape" completely negates the idea of self-defense. As such, it doesn't matter which weapon she planned to, or did, use first. The plan and the result are still there, established beyond a reasonable doubt -- hence, premeditation.

3 - I wish JM had engaged in a more lengthy discussion to the effect that, "mistakes and messes don't negate premeditation." I have seen intelligent and thoughtful comments from people on this board, who are conversant with all of the evidence, who get hung up on this idea that "Jodi did a shoddy clean-up job, so it couldn't have been premeditated." A plan doesn't have to be fool-proof. It doesn't have to get carried out as intended. A killer doesn't have to do a "good job" in order to be guilty of murder 1. JM could have suggested that her original plan WAS for a "clean kill" in the shower that wouldn't have required a clean-up. Not only that, but Jodi actually DID do an incredibly good job of cleaning up, given the short time frame she had to work with. She spent hours in that house, had sex in at least 2 different locations and brutally slaughtered someone, and the only evidence she left behind was a couple of hairs, a single handprint, and a couple of partial footprints from shoes that can't be located/traced to her? (As for the camera -- I don't think she meant to throw it in the washer, and even if she did, it was a reasonable presumption that deleted photos from a camera washed in bleach were not going to be recoverable!!!) Seriously, not bad. O.J. left 100x more D.N.A. and physical evidence behind, and he was still acquitted.

I don't know what's going on in the jury room any more than anyone else, but I suspect that if they're hung up on some issues, these are likely suspects.

Weather_Lady, I completely agree with everything you said. And one more thing that I think is hanging up a lot of people : the sex on June 4th. I wish Juan would have addressed this, and given a few ideas. Like for example, it was her way of getting Travis into the shower. That would have tied it directly to the killing and her plan, which I believe it was. He could have said just because she had sex doesn't mean it meant anything to her - I think he was hinting this when he talked about her fake orgasm. He hinted it was all fake, but I wish he would have talked directly about the sex on June 4. By kind of glossing over it, it might make the jury think he didn't want to address it b/c it didn't make sense. But it makes perfect sense.
I completely agree that she should have addressed this issue of Jodi is so smart why was the plan so dumb? Well, it wasn't dumb if you think back to that time and think that Jodi devised that plan to NEVER GET CAUGHT. That was what the plan was for, it was not for setting the scene for a trial 5 years later. And she did a good job for her original plan...as you said had it not been for the palmprint, few hairs, and the pics (which she thought were forever gone), then she would have in fact gotten away with it. Or it would have been much less conclusive that she did it.

 

[GoAskAllie]

Mark's on Twitter and you can also find his TV segments on YouTube. That way you don't have to filter out the crud to find him.

I didn't care for Mark when he was a regular on Dr. Drew during the CA trial. He came across as a showboating big mouth who was angling for his own program. What a difference a trial makes. I've come to appreciate Mark's contributions/commentary this time around--voice of reason, witty, insightful, occasionally funny without being over-the-top. That said, I didn't agree with his constant criticism that JM didn't use notes, ask linear questions or stand still at the podium. JM's style in this trial is no different than any other case that he's tried. His track record shows that it's worked for him in the past, why fix what isn't broken?

 

[katiewonders]

But wait! JA took an oath, she swore to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth! Maybe in her world a lie means the truth. Her world, and AL's, and CA's and FCA's

Doncha know that lying isn't something Jodi just does - her lies are always for a purpose: to avoid de-edifying Travis or to avoid being caught. Heck fish! How many of us tell a lie for no purpose?? JA is really funny if she thinks that one got past the jury! :seeya:

 

[Sleuth5]

I already cleaned my closet this morning. Now I'm going grocery shopping and I think I'll pick up a shrimp sandwich for lunch on my way home. I've got my favorite kind of nervous energy today - the kind that makes me productive.

I've thought since Friday that the verdict will be today. I'm dressed in blue and wearing my turquoise earrings that an Arizona friend gave me years ago.

I'm well traveled and have no trouble with trying new foods, but I must admit I've never had a shrimp sandwich. Are they good?

 

[Hopeful One]

:hug: I am glad you're here!

Awe, thank you!! It's good to feel loved. :blowkiss:

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Morning all :seeya: Great weather here in Jackson, MS.

While I am hoping for the verdict today I WILL NOT let myself get upset if it does not come. Justice WILL come eventually, and it's going to smack JA in that lying mouth of hers. But I will be here waiting (with all of you) no matter how long it takes. I owe that to Travis and his family.

O/T Kyle had a GREAT night! He got up once to use the restroom. He is STILL asleep.

I saw this quote on a plaque downstairs and I loved it.

"Children are a message we send to a time that we will not see"

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Is there a way to get the "notice" they have a verdict Emailed? Like the Text thing.. If they make that announcement in the next 6 hrs?

 

[Fionn]

I have faith in this jury.

Think about the quality of the questions that were posed to witnesses.

Three jurors were dismissed, yet they have all been respectful of the process. None have spoken out on the trial itself. I may be reading too much into this, yet I believe that conversations were held in that jury room about the importance of this civic duty and some kind of pact may have been made between them. This would then explain why juror 5 and juror 8 attended court after their dismissal; their presence was continued support of the process and the jury.

Reflect back here, if you will, to the numerous debates that have taken place on this forum trying to make sense of information. It is likely that the jury is having these same debates; many have nothing to do with guilt or innocence. These reasonable questions have more to do with trying to make some kind of sense of the evidence. Naming some, but not all, of those issues:

Did Travis know JA was coming that day?
At what time on June 4th did Travis become aware of JA?
Did Travis willingly have sex with JA that day?
Did the gunshot wound come first or last?
Did Travis know that the sex call was being taped on May 10th?
What made Travis so angry as to write those texts on May 26th?

These are major issues which have been discussed here and it is reasonable to expect that the jury is discussing them as well. Coming to some kind of conclusion, even if it is "we will never know" means that the issue has been addressed and thus the jury can feel confident that they have fulfilled their role in reviewing the evidence before reaching their verdict.

So well said. I think if I had the responsibility that this jury has, I would want to review everything as well. i think the best way to prove a theory is to look for evidence that disproves it. I haven't, so far, seen or heard anything that makes me waiver from Murder One. When you clear everything else away, and look solely at the murder itself anything after the first strike becomes premeditated and there is just no way around that. if she just 'snapped' (whole new theory not put into evidence) then I think they would have tried to go with temporary insanity.

 

[ljs713]

"Mark, Mark, I'm your biggest fan and think you're the dreamiest....Let's run off to a desert island together....Don't forget your hair gel...." :floorlaugh:

Thanks for the laugh this morning. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Yes Mark is a very nice looking guy.

 

[Hopeful One]

Morning all :seeya: Great weather here in Jackson, MS.

While I am hoping for the verdict today I WILL NOT let myself get upset if it does not come. Justice WILL come eventually, and it's going to smack JA in that lying mouth of hers. But I will be here waiting (with all of you) no matter how long it takes. I owe that to Travis and his family.

O/T Kyle had a GREAT night! He got up once to use the restroom. He is STILL asleep.

I saw this quote on a plaque downstairs and I loved it.

"Children are a message we send to a time that we will not see"

Same here. Well, at least I'll try. I was SO anxious all day Monday, then into Tuesday morning. But as Tuesday neared an end, I relaxed a bit. I think these jurors are going through everything to make 100% sure they have reviewed every item of evidence they have. Thorough. Like the SP jurors.

I have faith!! That evil woman will NEVER be set free!

 

[Little Mel in ATL]

JC was spewing that same juror BS on HLN this morning too. I've decided to give myself a timeout from all the TH speculation about what's going on with the jurors and what the delay means. Have my phone programmed to receive text alerts and will check in with WS, but otherwise I'm going to make today a productive, positive day in Travis's honor.

(BBM)

:seeya: GoAskAllie! I'm on sabbatical from speculation today, too! In fact, I posted this earlier this morning...

This is my "positive affirmation" for the day:

:cheer: I will, not, spec-u-late! :cheer:
:cheer: I will, not, spec-u-late! :cheer:
:cheer: I will, not, spec-u-late! :cheer:

 

[laniefi]

:waiting:
i'm pretending i'm working... while i wait for some good news for travis....... my poor boss

Me too!

 

[MidwestMama]

You can get a life-sized standup of him online. You could take pictures with him! Or, he could join you for dinner, or ride in your car! The possibilities boggle the mind. :floorlaugh:

BREAKING NEWS:
Amazon site frozen by the sudden onslaught of women across the world racing to purchase Mark cardboard stand-ups...
:floorlaugh:

 

[Sleuth5]

Thanks for the laugh this morning. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Yes Mark is a very nice looking guy.

You realize you'll have to fight HopefulOne for him, and it will be a vicious struggle.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Site already running slowly, and deliberations don't begin for two more hours!

 

[Alexander family fan]

Travis Alexander speaking about how Chris Hughes changed his life. Get your tissue box ready, friends. WOW

http://t.co/Y86B7ZAqi8

 

[GoAskAllie]

Is there a way to get the "notice" they have a verdict Emailed? Like the Text thing.. If they make that announcement in the next 6 hrs?

I'm set up to receive notice from Wild About Trial. Type WAT in the body of the text, then send to 33733. You'll receive a confirmation message almost instantly.

 

[Sleuth5]

BREAKING NEWS:
Amazon site frozen by the sudden onslaught of women across the world racing to purchase Mark cardboard stand-ups...
:floorlaugh:

If you order the deluxe talking edition, he says "I find your husband as useless as the 'g' in lasagna."