Victim: Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, missing July 2007, found Gilgo Beach Dec 2010 *POI Rex Heuermann*

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What makes you say that? Sounds to me like the phone was only turned on to check he voicemail.
For three years, the NYPD had reported no trace of her—except, in 2008, for one cell-phone-signal ping off a Long Island tower, just a few miles from Gilgo Beach. “Someone was trying to access Maureen’s cell-phone voice-mail http://www.maryellenmark.com/text/magazines/new_york_magazine/906C-000-024.html
 
LindsayLohan6 said:
What makes you say that? Sounds to me like the phone was only turned on to check he voicemail.
For three years, the NYPD had reported no trace of her—except, in 2008, for one cell-phone-signal ping off a Long Island tower, just a few miles from Gilgo Beach. “Someone was trying to access Maureen’s cell-phone voice-mail http://www.maryellenmark.com/text/magazines/new_york_magazine/906C-000-024.html
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I also think the phone is not turned off by the killer. The way I see it the killer just tossed it and battery went off.

I feel the ping story is too blurry. I'm not saying it's false that someone tried to access her voicemail. What I'm saying is; the date doesn't make sense to me. I think it happened (if it happened) within the same night as with Maureen's disappearance and the information is misrelayed or misinterpreted.

That's the tower. On Fire Island
http://www.alidathorpe.com/keyword/great south bay-fire island/i-JnDRJbb/A

It's not Robert Moses Water Tower
https://goo.gl/1vl7DW

It is this
https://goo.gl/wkUEDi
 
If the cell phone pinged for one time in 2008, Maureen went missing in 2007. That's a pretty big difference, I'm not sure why you think the information in wrong Emre. When dealing with the police you never know, but the info clearly states 2008. Does a cell phone used in Gilgo Beach ping Fire Island? What this says to me is, the Killer lives near Gilgo/Fire Island/ Jones Beach and checked the phone a year later maybe on his boat during a "night ride". Remember this killer is OCD with the phone, he's constantly calling people over and over again. Should be so obvious to the locals who this guy is.
 
Meltruth: #94
Sorry for the confusing. The family was told in 2008 that the phone was used. But it was a few weeks after she went missing is when it was used.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ureen-Brainard-Barnes&p=10893839#post10893839

The phone behaves like a tossed phone.

Why it pinged on that tower? I don't know, may be they used the Robert Moses Causeway.

See, I'm fed up with bull...t, especially if it comes from the police. There are obvious steps they have to take and they are not taking those steps. Then, I choose not to believe everything they say.
 
Oh Ok Emre. Still I think it could indicate that the Killer doesn't just drive out to OP to dump bodies, he might live there if he's checking her voicemail from there
 
LindsayLohan6 said:
Oh Ok Emre. Still I think it could indicate that the Killer doesn't just drive out to OP to dump bodies, he might live there if he's checking her voicemail from there
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LL you know well that these crooks withhold the tattoo of JD6.. for verification purposes...

We push and that's the only thing we can do. Hundreds of ideas emerged here on ws about where that burlap might have come from. While the easy was to make it public, right? But Former Dormer gives the detail that Melissa may have been kept for a while, instead of showing the burlap.

1 - How is it going to help the public help the police if Melissa is tortured. It won't. It is a useless detail to be shared with the public.
2 - Police Work 101, that (i.e. torture, if it is not purely out of his imagination) is a detail that must be kept from the public. Though I wouldn't be surprised if dormer flunked Police Work 101.


verification.. my assh
 
If my memory serves me Meltruth referred to the Robert Moses water tower. Its near the Western end of Fire Island.
 
deedee21 said:
I dont think her phone was ever actually turned off by the killer.
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Perhaps Maureen turned the phone off herself if she was to have a session with a 'john' that picked her up at the bus terminal. I personally don't believe the phone would have kept a charge for two weeks if it was left on, also it would have been pinging somewhere the whole time. Eventually the battery dies. I've known a few ladies who were escorts and they always left their phone on while on a call for safety purposes.

I think maybe lisk turned it off and kept it as a trophy and for some reason decided to dispose of it but turned it on out of curiosity or to see if there was a family member he could harrass like he did Amanda a few years later. (Because he's a crazy, diabolical lunatic) Telecommunications has changed drastically since 2007. I can see curiosity getting the best of him re: technology especially if he is an older perp. His next three victims were abducted thru technology. I guess this is why I think we should look carefully at everything about Maureen, she was the first of the Gilgo 4, she was last seen in a public place and IMO left there with the killer. This was risky for him and I think this was the reason he 'evolved' to CL and UG and using burner phones.

I don't think Maureen was his first victim tho. I do think that he learned from her and adjusted his MO fo killing to telecommunications.

JMO and ramblings for today :)

ETA
Or it could be another scenario. There was a phone, a nice one, on the railing of our beach access for two or three days during Christmas holiday. The fourth day it had fallen into the sand so Mr WM picked it up and brought it home to see if he could find the owner. The battery was dead. So this week my son was visiting and I asked him if it would fit his charger so maybe we could locate the owner. So he charged it and checked the guys texts. (A few were mildly disturbing so I'm turning it into police) So it could be a simple as that.
 
Lets look for a DC/Maryland connection to Maureen. Also, let's look through all the reports of Staten Island Cops who were kicked off the force and try to determine who the man is that last contacted her.
 
Randi Gorenberg, 52, who lived west of Boca Raton, was killed March 23, 2007, in one of the most high-profile cases in Palm Beach County's recent history. She was last seen alive at Town Center at Boca Raton and her body was found near a park west of Delray Beach.

On Aug. 12, two men used her credit card number to make about $1,000 worth of purchases in Massachusetts and Connecticut. On Friday, investigators released photos of the two.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2008-09-27/news/0809270038_1_credit-card-card-number-home-depot

Posted by new member Crimesolver4u.
A mother and her eight year old daughter were shot at point blank range in their SUV at the upscale town center mall in boca raton. They were shot after the mother was forced to drive to an ATM and take out cash, and they were tied up in the car and given goggles that had been blacked out to wear. The case has now been tied to the murder of Randy Gorenberg who was carjacked and shot and her body was dumped nearby. She also left the mall from the same exit. In august a mother and her two year old son also left the same mall and were accosted in their black SUV. They were forced to drive to an ATM machine with a gun to the two year olds head. They were also tied up the same way and given glasses that had been blacked out and then goggles that had been blacked out to wear. They were returned in their car to the mall parking lot but were not shot.
The case is interesting because the motive does not really appear to be robbery. The expensive SUV's, ie. mercedes, lincolh navigator ect, were not taken. Nor was expensive jewelery the women were wearing. It seems more of a crime of aggression and control against women and women with children.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-59010.html
 
Not saying there is a connection between those mall murders and gilgo but i thought it was interesting the stolen cards turned up in Conn where MBB lived the same year she was killed. I do thing there is a good chance the LISK is a hispanic male though, if Sugar Bear and Cherries are his victims. Sugar Bear was last seen getting into the sports car of his special friend, a hispanic male. Cherries (Mamaroneck) was found in a suitcase with scraps of paper that said "cinco" and "begin to live".
 
I personally never believed that Maureen was picked up by the killer from where she was last seen/known to have been.
If I recall correctly, Maureen usually wouldn't take on any jobs outside of the city. However, I believe she went out of her way this time.

As far as I know, Maureen was facing trouble back home. Financial problems. I believe that Maureen came with a certain goal, make a certain amount of money that would help her deal with some of her problems. I think she never met her goal and might've taken on one last job, before actually heading home. Knowing that in Amber Costello's case, the John that came to pick her up and presumably is her killer offered her a lot of money. Maybe Maureen got hit up at the very last moment and the money was to good to refuse, with all her personal problems in mind, and made her go out of her way and take a trip out to Long Island to meet this individual?

That's always been my feeling anyway. Especially since Amber Costello was in contact with this guy for about 2/3/4 times the day she disappeared. Maybe Maureen was too, and gave in at some point.
 
Maybe Maureen was supposedly robbed for like 900 dollars wasn't she? The thing I don't get is they say the guy who last contacted Maureen was the Staten Island cop...logic dictates the last person to contact her would be her last client, unless she had an arrangement to meet someone beforehand or was solicited on the street. Her sister was pretty adamant that the SI cop was not involved but i'm not convinced
 
DizzeeSpellz said:
I personally never believed that Maureen was picked up by the killer from where she was last seen/known to have been.
If I recall correctly, Maureen usually wouldn't take on any jobs outside of the city. However, I believe she went out of her way this time.

As far as I know, Maureen was facing trouble back home. Financial problems. I believe that Maureen came with a certain goal, make a certain amount of money that would help her deal with some of her problems. I think she never met her goal and might've taken on one last job, before actually heading home. Knowing that in Amber Costello's case, the John that came to pick her up and presumably is her killer offered her a lot of money. Maybe Maureen got hit up at the very last moment and the money was to good to refuse, with all her personal problems in mind, and made her go out of her way and take a trip out to Long Island to meet this individual?

That's always been my feeling anyway. Especially since Amber Costello was in contact with this guy for about 2/3/4 times the day she disappeared. Maybe Maureen was too, and gave in at some point.
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It's certainly feasible she would have left the city given her financial situation at the time.

My possible POI was an active NYC emergency services worker in 2007, retiring the following year. He was NYC LE for about 5 years from 1986-1991 He lived 20 minutes away from AC in Northwest Suffolk county. The house has a fenced in backyard obscured by a forest of shrubs and a few trees. There is a shed with electric power in the yard. A speedboat sat on a trailer outside of the fence near the shed.
In 2011 his next door neighbor and very close friend establishes a home renovation company. The POI buys another house in late 2011, only four miles away to the northwest. The neighbor is sold the prior residence in 2013. He sells it 5 months later making over $150,000.
Maureen may have willingly accepted an overnight offer in LI, desperate for money. I do think she was picked up in the city if it was in fact my POI who did so.
 
panthershock said:
Hi Lindsay. Just some research into the case, I don't want to get detailed publicly. If that information alone was interesting, there is much more.
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Im interested in your POI also. Was he ever in the news for a crime commited to make you suspucious of him?
 
deedee21 said:
Im interested in your POI also. Was he ever in the news for a crime commited to make you suspucious of him?
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If he was, I am not aware of it.

LindsayLohan6 said:
NYPD for only 5 years? Did he get in trouble for something?
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Strange isn't it? His time as a cop is something I'd like to know more about.

Married with adult children. He is small in stature and is an avid marathon runner. His wife is a short brunette who I believe was petite in her younger years. Likely only married still due to very traditional views on marriage and family. He holds many views that can only be viewed as racist in nature. (MB calls) Dismisses college education as a liberal brainwashing. Believes mothers who are too nice to male children turn them into weak men. Tries to exert power over his family but is unable to do so.

He's a blue collar white man whose grandiose vision of himself and desire for power has been stymied. Killing is the outlet
 
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