Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[DatelineFan]

The husband is excluded, and there was no third party at their home when they left for work that morning.

Logically speaking, are you saying that because Cheryl drove a different vehicle from the norm, discovered that she didn't have her badge moments after she left home, texted her friend about retrieving the badge, and then her phone was powered-down, a suicide theory is supported?

She didn't drive a different vehicle that morning. The Jeep was sold the year before.

 

[brandi]

Leanne Beardon was known to have emotional problems prior to her suicide. Cheryl was not known to have emotional problems prior to her death. That's a significant difference.

All theories being discussed are SPECULATIONS. Try to remember that...speculations and personal opinions. Just as yours are...

 

[saengseon]

For me, it's not about the cuts, is about having a convenient "excuse" to not ride to work with her friend, and then her phone being turned off.

Her phone is missing - just read. Finding the phone...why is it missing? Did someone take it from her? Did she throw it somewhere into some shrubs? What brand of phone? That could help a lot if someone found it.

I came across a cheap android phone a couple of weeks ago. Zen? I can't remember. Anyway battery missing. Just kept on walking. Assume it broke on someone and they took the battery and tossed the phone.

 

[kammiemc]

I have sort of thought suicide from the beginning. . :-( Mostly because it can always be a factor and even when people seem A-OK on the outside. . Often we don't know what is going on inside their heads. For some reason Leanne Bearden kept coming to mind. Whether it is suicide or a homicide my heart breaks for Cheryl and her family. .

I thought suicide was big possibility in the beginning, especially after the ME chose to release only the finger cuts info, but for lots of little reasons I think it's unlikely now--UNLESS she staged it to make her disappearance and death look a forced disappearance and murder so that her husband could collect a life ins payout. (But people here have told me that these days life ins companies have no problem giving life ins payouts to families of individuals who have committed suicide. So I kinda had to write off that theory.)

It's hard to believe that she would have walked 1.2 miles to hide herself in such a yucky place (it is yucky) and not left a note for her family. Why try to trick them as to her whereabouts and mislead them by leaving her car in the usual place? Why try to make it look like she jumped on a bus? She had a wooded area right behind her house. And her car was parked in front of a wooded area. So it was not for a lack of options of private places. I understand that people are not thinking clearly when they commit suicide, but it's still not really adding up for me that she walked to the culvert and got in.


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[kammiemc]

It seems to be the only explanation for a conclusion that the injuries are self inflicted. There must be evidence in her vehicle, presumably the blood, that leads police to believe that she deliberately injured herself. Perhaps there's matching blood evidence on the passenger seat interior door panel.

As a logical thinker of the possibility of death, and who had a chance to leave a trace, perhaps that explains the self-inflicted injuries, and also suggests that her car was used to transport her to the place where her body was found.

Would that be a carjacking with occupant scenario, no injury during abduction? The car could have been left near the library at any time during the afternoon.

I think there are myriad possibilities as to how she might have cut her fingers. I could hardly begin to guess which possibility holds the most weight!


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[saengseon]

that doesnt really detail where the path begins and ends in relation to the park, and how it is today, but thank you

Sorry about that. Maybe this is more clear.

Map view overhead with trail from 58th street (the street where the car was found) going down to to the transit center. There are other trails, but this is the main one.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/V...2!3m1!1s0x5490100e7115f619:0xd4523e0275c0f5bf

Entrance to park Google Earth at an angle. The trail starts across the street from 234th:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/V...2!3m1!1s0x5490100e7115f619:0xd4523e0275c0f5bf

I hope that helps.

 

[saengseon]

that doesnt really detail where the path begins and ends in relation to the park, and how it is today, but thank you

I had to go to the library to pick up a video for my wife and took this video from 58th down the trail. At the end of the video you can see a glimpse of the transit center. Some people were down there rebuilding the footbridge so I stopped there. There is another trail across the footbridge that goes up to the police station.

The video was uploaded to my YouTube channel. Video starts out looking south down 58th.

Hope this helps.

https://youtu.be/yhNdSagIp4s

 

[dizzychick]

How would LE know the finger wounds were self inflicted ?

 

[dizzychick]

Forgive me for not being to up on this case. I moved to Washington state recently and I even looked for a house in her area before settling on the Cascade mountains.

Does anyone know what she did at her job ? Did she have access to drugs or any other substance that some perp might have thought he could get his hands on ??

I asked earlier how could LE know her wounds were self inflicted. How do they not know some perp could have been swinging a blade back and forth in front of her which cut her fingers in self defense ?

Very odd case. I wish they would hurry up with the details..

 

[otto]

Forgive me for not being to up on this case. I moved to Washington state recently and I even looked for a house in her area before settling on the Cascade mountains.

Does anyone know what she did at her job ? Did she have access to drugs or any other substance that some perp might have thought he could get his hands on ??

I asked earlier how could LE know her wounds were self inflicted. How do they not know some perp could have been swinging a blade back and forth in front of her which cut her fingers in self defense ?

Very odd case. I wish they would hurry up with the details..

Two of the facts released by police are that cuts to two fingers were self-inflicted, and that there is blood on the passenger seat and inside passenger door panel of the car.

The only way that makes sense to me is if there is evidence of how Cheryl caused those injuries to herself, such as blood on a panel or sharp edge in her car. What I mean is that if police have the object that was used to inflict the injury, and combine it with the injury, there must be some circumstance that allows them to conclude that the injuries are self-inflicted.

Alternatively, if someone is strangled, perhaps they have self-inflicted injuries to two fingers while fighting a rope, or wire. Perhaps that would be a defensive wound.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Maybe she had cut herself a day or two before, and family told LE that there was an existing injury.

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[otto]

Maybe she had cut herself a day or two before, and family told LE that there was an existing injury.

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If Cheryl had injuries that are unrelated to her disappearance, there's no reason for that information to be released by police.

 

[dizzychick]

Two of the facts released by police are that cuts to two fingers were self-inflicted, and that there is blood on the passenger seat and inside passenger door panel of the car.

The only way that makes sense to me is if there is evidence of how Cheryl caused those injuries to herself, such as blood on a panel or sharp edge in her car. What I mean is that if police have the object that was used to inflict the injury, and combine it with the injury, there must be some circumstance that allows them to conclude that the injuries are self-inflicted.

Alternatively, if someone is strangled, perhaps they have self-inflicted injuries to two fingers while fighting a rope, or wire. Perhaps that would be a defensive wound.

those areas where the blood was found would immediately make me think she was a passenger in her car and someone else was doing the driving.

 

[kammiemc]

Two of the facts released by police are that cuts to two fingers were self-inflicted, and that there is blood on the passenger seat and inside passenger door panel of the car.

The only way that makes sense to me is if there is evidence of how Cheryl caused those injuries to herself, such as blood on a panel or sharp edge in her car. What I mean is that if police have the object that was used to inflict the injury, and combine it with the injury, there must be some circumstance that allows them to conclude that the injuries are self-inflicted.

Alternatively, if someone is strangled, perhaps they have self-inflicted injuries to two fingers while fighting a rope, or wire. Perhaps that would be a defensive wound.

I was surprised that they gave that info just because it was just enough to raise a lot of different kinds of speculation. If the cuts were defensive wounds, or accidental wounds, I wish they would have just said that. Instead they opened a bit of a can of worms!


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[otto]

I was surprised that they gave that info just because it was just enough to raise a lot of different kinds of speculation. If the cuts were defensive wounds, or accidental wounds, I wish they would have just said that. Instead they opened a bit of a can of worms!


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Police seem certain that she has two "self-inflicted" injuries. In my opinion, the only way to conclude that an injury is self inflicted (without a witness) is that whatever caused the injury is available to investigators, and that they can match the injuries to that object.

 

[kammiemc]

Police seem certain that she has two "self-inflicted" injuries. In my opinion, the only way to conclude that an injury is self inflicted (without a witness) is that whatever caused the injury is available to investigators, and that they can match the injuries to that object.

Well not only that, but they would also seemingly have to know for certain that only she wielded the object that matched her injuries. Self-inflicted (without any other qualifying info, like accidental or defensive) sounds like it might imply that she intentionally cut herself. (Or I guess could have been forced.)

So it's not surprising that it has made some people jump to "self-harm". I am personally lukewarm to cold on a suicide theory. But I can see why some people could think that. Just a few details would clear up a lot:

-what kind of self-inflicted cuts (defensive, accidental, intentional)?
-where was the phone located when the text was sent before being powered down?
-was CD clearly seen to be the person driving her car on the video at 236th and 56th?
-along the same lines, was CD clearly seen to be the person driving her car from her house?
-Of course, what is the COD? But even just knowing a couple of answers to the above could rule in or rule out a lot of scenarios.


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[kammiemc]

If Cheryl had injuries that are unrelated to her disappearance, there's no reason for that information to be released by police.

I tend to agree--why would they mention it? But someone way upthread wrote that perhaps the ME would have mentioned that they found self-inflicted cuts so that people didn't assume the blood in the car was necessarily from being injured by someone else.
(Although they ARE investigation her death as a homicide, so reasonable to assume that harm did come her way!)


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[MaryLamb]

While I hate to even consider it, I wondered if the cuts were actually to her wrists, and the police sanitized it out of sensitivity to the family by saying there were cuts to her "fingers". Then she wandered over to the culvert and lay down in the water? I just don't understand how there could be self inflicted cuts to her fingers.

 

[DatelineFan]

While I hate to even consider it, I wondered if the cuts were actually to her wrists, and the police sanitized it out of sensitivity to the family by saying there were cuts to her "fingers". Then she wandered over to the culvert and lay down in the water? I just don't understand how there could be self inflicted cuts to her fingers.

I can't imagine why law enforcement would just straight out lie about that. Also, I'm pretty sure that the family can get their own copy of the ME report, when it's complete. So it would be pointless to lie about that. I think if she slit her wrists and they didn't want to release the information, they just wouldn't.

 

[kammiemc]

While I hate to even consider it, I wondered if the cuts were actually to her wrists, and the police sanitized it out of sensitivity to the family by saying there were cuts to her "fingers". Then she wandered over to the culvert and lay down in the water? I just don't understand how there could be self inflicted cuts to her fingers.

No doubt it's strange! But I kinda doubt that ME would outright lie to the public. Seems like they would just not say anything or at least not name the body parts that were wounded, if they didn't want people to know.

If it ends up that she chose to walk down to the creek from 58th after having bloodied her car, then lay herself down in the shallow water and make that weird culvert her final resting place, I will be very surprised. But I guess stranger things have happened.


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