Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #7

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I thought I would add something in case someone is willing to pursue this (I am not, for a variety of reasons):

Under RCW RCW 42.56 you can request public disclosure of documents relating to this case. Many will likely not be released as the investigation is active but as they get closer to closing the case they may be released. I know at least one news outlet got the "Feb 10 cell phone record warrant". Reading the warrants will give more details of what the police "know and believe". Here is the page to request documents:

http://www.cityofmlt.com/664/Records-Request

The more specific you are about what you want, the more likely you will get a prompt and complete response.
e.g. saying "copy of Feb 10 cell phone carrier warrant in Cheryl DeBoer case" is far better than "anything relating to Cheryl DeBoer case".

Media and government gadflys submit these all the time. I believe LE can only refuse to release something if it would jeopardize their case (and if they're leaning to suicide....fewer items would meet that exemption requirement). I think warrants are very rarely exempted.

Personally I expect LE will have some kind of conclusion before a request like this would be fulfilled but I expect people here will continue to debate and theorize, so this might provide additional information that may not have surfaced publicly.
 
ANZAC said:
I thought I would add something in case someone is willing to pursue this (I am not, for a variety of reasons):

Under RCW RCW 42.56 you can request public disclosure of documents relating to this case. Many will likely not be released as the investigation is active but as they get closer to closing the case they may be released. I know at least one news outlet got the "Feb 10 cell phone record warrant". Reading the warrants will give more details of what the police "know and believe". Here is the page to request documents:

http://www.cityofmlt.com/664/Records-Request

The more specific you are about what you want, the more likely you will get a prompt and complete response.
e.g. saying "copy of Feb 10 cell phone carrier warrant in Cheryl DeBoer case" is far better than "anything relating to Cheryl DeBoer case".

Media and government gadflys submit these all the time. I believe LE can only refuse to release something if it would jeopardize their case (and if they're leaning to suicide....fewer items would meet that exemption requirement). I think warrants are very rarely exempted.

Personally I expect LE will have some kind of conclusion before a request like this would be fulfilled but I expect people here will continue to debate and theorize, so this might provide additional information that may not have surfaced publicly.
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I suggest we let LE and related administration focus their efforts where most important, i.e. not responding to requests like this or dealing with the numerous calls and complaints about their work on this case. Respectfully, and IMO.
 
I really don't believe Cheryl put animal blood in her car. Not at all.
 
ANZAC said:
I thought I would add something in case someone is willing to pursue this (I am not, for a variety of reasons):

Under RCW RCW 42.56 you can request public disclosure of documents relating to this case. Many will likely not be released as the investigation is active but as they get closer to closing the case they may be released. I know at least one news outlet got the "Feb 10 cell phone record warrant". Reading the warrants will give more details of what the police "know and believe". Here is the page to request documents:

http://www.cityofmlt.com/664/Records-Request

The more specific you are about what you want, the more likely you will get a prompt and complete response.
e.g. saying "copy of Feb 10 cell phone carrier warrant in Cheryl DeBoer case" is far better than "anything relating to Cheryl DeBoer case".

Media and government gadflys submit these all the time. I believe LE can only refuse to release something if it would jeopardize their case (and if they're leaning to suicide....fewer items would meet that exemption requirement). I think warrants are very rarely exempted.

Personally I expect LE will have some kind of conclusion before a request like this would be fulfilled but I expect people here will continue to debate and theorize, so this might provide additional information that may not have surfaced publicly.
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This sounds like a terrible idea! I'm sorry but I just don't think it's our place to request records on Cheryl's case.
 
blue888 said:
I suggest we let LE and related administration focus their efforts where most important, i.e. not responding to requests like this or dealing with the numerous calls and complaints about their work on this case. Respectfully, and IMO.
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At Websleuths, requests like this are made and it's not a big deal. If you follow the Dr. Teresa Sievers case, then you will know that Websleuths has requested and received LARGE amounts of documents related to that case. The police and prosecutor's officers are used to dealing with these requests.
 
Re: previously frozen blood.
I remember from a study in cryogenics that red blood cells are badly damaged in freezing as H2O separates out and freezes as pure ice crystals. These grow and rupture the membranes of cells while at the same time causing osmotic stresses and chemical changes. A lab should be able to detect this with a microscope check unless of course a cryogenic protectant such as glycerin was in the blood solution too.
 
http://www.king5.com/news/police-ask-help-finding-missing-mountlake-terrace-woman/65535738
DeBoer texted her friend around 7 a.m. saying she forgot her badge and that she would catch a bus instead. The friend responded saying, how long will it take? Deboer's text back was, 10 minutes, then her friend offered to wait
Her vehicle was located parked in the 23400 block of 58th Avenue SW in Mountlake Terrace.

I believe the texts to be authentic and sent from my mom. The carpool friend has been more than cooperative from the day one.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-4&p=12405700#post12405700

I can say it was found near where she normally would have it hanging. However it had fallen, and was under some items of clothing, and in a rush not seeing it hanging you might assume you had it with you until you got down the road, or are about to get out of the car and are double checking what items you have with you.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-3&p=12397974#post12397974

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2913891/M...ce-Cheryl-DeBoers-disappearance-is-suspicious
Mountlake Terrace police said there has been no activity on DeBoer's cellphone since Monday at 7 a.m.
There has not been any activity on DeBoer's credit cards, either, police said.

http://www.king5.com/news/mountlake-terrace-police-rule-womans-death-suspicious/65533145
Her body was found Sunday in a culvert at the intersection of 244th St SW and Cedar Way.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/body-found-in-mountlake-terrace/
http://mltnews.com/small-cuts-found-on-cheryl-deboers-hands/
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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-police-return-to-site-where-body-was-found/
A group of volunteers on Sunday discovered DeBoer’s body in a large, grassy area about 1.5 miles southeast of where her vehicle was found on Feb. 8 in the 23400 block of 58th Avenue West, police said.
Investigators found bloodstains in DeBoer’s car on the passenger side, Pickard said Tuesday night.
The body was found clothed, he said,
Her husband reported her missing after hearing she hadn’t shown up for work. There had been no activity on her cellphone or bank account, police said at the time., adding DeBoer’s husband took a polygraph test late last week, and police have eliminated him as a person of interest.

They (*her clothing) matched the video description. I don't believe clothing items were missing. Not reported to me by police anyways.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12425356#post12425356

Different location, and consistent with cuts on her hands. When I mention hands two fingers were cut. The cuts were on opposite hands.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12426336#post12426336

As thin as the material of the plastic bag was it wouldn't matter if it was secured around the neck. It would take little effort to rip open the bag.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12425485#post12425485

No phone, wallet (didn't carry purse), car keys found. (*Adding These items have not been found)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12425460#post12425460

She was claustrophobic. The wrong kind of bag was used. She left food out for dinner. She adopted a cat she had been waiting for months 2 days before she went missing.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12425444#post12425444

As far as family, friends, and coworkers know she has no enemies.No history of depression, suicidal thoughts, or mental health issues, never gone missing before. Certain food items left out at home as if she was prepared make dinner that night, after returning from work. Certain items of hers missing. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-4&p=12406937#post12406937

Car doesn't lock automatically, and she wasn't one to lock her door after she got in.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12421829#post12421829

She walked out the front door. Preceded around the house. Car was not in sight of camera. Shortly after she is off camera, lights reflect off side of house as if she starts car and turns on lights to head to the park and ride. Minutes later the car is seen on camera at the intersection of 56th, and 236th.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-4&p=12407509#post12407509

There is 24 hr surveillance being recorded at my parents house. She was seen leaving... She wasn't a very organized person, she could of easily misplaced her badge herself and realized she didn't have it on her drive to the park and ride. She has forgot it more than once before.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-3&p=12397527#post12397527

A person who parked behind my mom's car the morning she went missing said it was there when they parked about 8:00amhttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12421775#post12421775

Family wasn't aware of the cuts before she went missing. Self inflicted could also mean she reached for something and accidentally cut herself on a sharp object. Doesn't necessarily mean her intent was to cut her own finger.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-4&p=12409071#post12409071

Her body was found on the west side of the culvert. It is presumed the entry point was on the east end up current (near the MLT sign). There was a lot of rain the week we were searching for her so the current was pretty swift.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-4&p=12411638#post12411638

Her previous job before working for the Hutch was as a chemist analyzing samples and providing reports to EPA, and other govt. agencies. She would know that it would be easy to distinguish animal blood from human blood. Very highly unlikely that she would attempt to poorly stage a scene like that.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12426553#post12426553

She wasn't a researcher... She wrote code, programs, databases for labs, and researchers to utilize and store their information.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12427253#post12427253

Tox results did come back clean, per what police released to us last week. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12428840#post12428840
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http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...y-no-evidence-cheryl-deboer-death-a-homicide/
DeBoer, an employee at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, was found dead from drowning and asphyxia. She was found with a fast-food plastic bag loosely over her head in the culvert about 1.5 miles from the Mountlake Terrace Park & Ride lot, according to police and medical investigators.
Wilson said the Washington State Patrol crime lab is doing a forensic analysis of the bag, which is from a restaurant he said DeBoer frequented.

“We have no eyewitnesses who report hearing an assault or abduction take place,” Wilson said. There was no evidence on her clothes or body of being attacked.
Investigators have matched a “small amount” of blood found in the car to DeBoer’s, he said, though they are still trying to trace a larger sample discovered on the vehicle’s passenger floor board that is from an animal.

Considering DeBoer’s pattern of behavior, which was to charge her cellphone every night, investigators believe the phone did not run out of battery and that she powered it off, he said. Investigators have found no evidence it was destroyed.

Take out bag was not from her favorite restaurant/fast food. I am sure it was on rare occasion that she would frequent this place.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-6&p=12433582#post12433582

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160216/NEWS01/160219330
Police in Mountlake Terrace discovered the blood on the passenger seat of Cheryl DeBoer’s Subaru.
Police also found what was believed to be blood on the inside portion of the passenger side door, according to a Feb. 10 search warrant seeking phone records.
A surveillance system at the DeBoer’s home shows her husband leaving the house around 6:50 a.m. Feb. 8, a few minutes before Cheryl. He arrived at this work in Mukilteo around 7:15 a.m.
Another surveillance video at the intersection of 236th Street SW and 56th Avenue W showed what appeared to be Cheryl DeBoer’s vehicle passing at around 7 a.m. headed westbound.
At 7:02 a.m. a text was sent from Cheryl DeBoer’s phone to a carpool friend saying she forgot her identification badge needed for her job at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.
“Just go without me,” the text said. “I’ll probably ride home with you.”
Her friend wrote back asking how long it would take and saying that she would wait.
The text back to the friend estimated that DeBoer’s trip back home would take 10 minutes.
Her friend waited until nearly 7:30 a.m. and tried sending her a message and calling her at that time. It appeared to her that DeBoer’s phone had been turned off.

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2939704/F...bt-surrounding-Mountlake-Terrace-womans-death
Blood was found inside DeBoer's car and on its exterior. That could have possibly come from self-inflicted cuts on DeBoer's fingers. There was also a large amount of blood on the car floor which has been determined to be animal blood. It is not certain how that blood got into the car or what kind of animal it came from.

My parents have cats, when transported they are in cat carrier. No blood is inside the cat carrier. Also animal blood was fresh enough and of substantial quantity to be able to smear with your hand.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ace-8-February-2016-5&p=12426127#post12426127

According to my father everything was normal over the weekend. None of the family has a clue of how blood could be on the passenger side.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ce-8-February-2016-6&p=12433582#post12433582

* I can not find the post of Stryker stating it was inconclusive and being re-tested.
 
AmandaSkis said:
At Websleuths, requests like this are made and it's not a big deal. If you follow the Dr. Teresa Sievers case, then you will know that Websleuths has requested and received LARGE amounts of documents related to that case. The police and prosecutor's officers are used to dealing with these requests.
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I'm not suggesting this is unprecedented, only that it takes time to review and process each request/tip/complaint and I'd prefer that the resources are applied where most important. JMO.
 
MaryLamb said:
Good point! And a razor blade could be used to slit open that bag. Was blood found on the razor blade in her pocket or it could have been washed away by the water in the culvert?
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But would she do that ? She was a very smart woman she would know the cops would test it and lets say it was Elk, then what has Elk blood got to do with her dissappearance ? I dont think she would play games like that with her family. I tried to justify this by thinking somone came up to her with an injured animal and that is how they gained her trust long enough to kill her . Just my opinion and really we just do not know what happened. The blade? I just dont know.. I guess anything is possible..
 
blue888 said:
I'm not suggesting this is unprecedented, only that it takes time to review and process each request/tip/complaint and I'd prefer that the resources are applied where most important. JMO.
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I get where you are coming from but I also understand those here that are from the area have an undeniable interest in knowing what the police knew at the point this warrant was issued. There are still many who believe this was not suicide and that perhaps someone very dangerous is in the area.
Won't one well-worded, coordininated request representing the interests of many here be preferable to 100's of individual requests bombarding the resources of the MLT administration? That said, if someone does take this step, please post here so nobody doubles-up the process :)
 
AmandaSkis said:
At Websleuths, requests like this are made and it's not a big deal. If you follow the Dr. Teresa Sievers case, then you will know that Websleuths has requested and received LARGE amounts of documents related to that case. The police and prosecutor's officers are used to dealing with these requests.
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Yup. Members have requested docs in lots of cases here (Seivers, FCA, FLEK are ones that immediately come to mind). Sometimes using state open records laws, sometimes FOIA. Nothing nefarious or immoral about it... there's a reason these public records laws exist.

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dizzychick said:
But would she do that ? She was a very smart woman she would know the cops would test it and lets say it was Elk, then what has Elk blood got to do with her dissappearance ? I dont think she would play games like that with her family. I tried to justify this by thinking somone came up to her with an injured animal and that is how they gained her trust long enough to kill her . Just my opinion and really we just do not know what happened. The blade? I just dont know.. I guess anything is possible..
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I don't know either. dog or cat blood suggests an injured animal was in the car. Sheep, goat or cow blood could be obtained from a home butcher. Deer or elk blood suggests it came from a hunter and we know the Deboers both hunted. And then there is squirrel, raccoon etc. Animals used in medical research are mostly rats and mice, who don't have a large blood volume so I doubt it came from the Hutch.

Her whole morning routine was off and the blood is part of it, unless someone can say it was there from the day before. But then she would clean it up. Even though the car was old, she wouldn't leave a mess like that. Blood is sticky and it's great for trapping fibers and other trace evidence, so I wonder if there is more evidence there than is being revealed.
 
dizzychick said:
well she was a puter programmer I would doubt they were doing lab work BUT, that dosent mean someone else could have done it, I wish cops would tell us what type of critter this was it is almost like the last hope we have that this was not a suicide. I feel ashamed to even say that word. And BTW, I got tears when I read a post the hubby made on their anniversary, I am sorry if some of my posts pointed the finger at him. Bless his heart and all the family.
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I totally understand what you are saying. But don't feel ashamed to say suicide. Even Stryker said he is conflicted about theories and can't rule out suicide. And the investigators seem to be leaning to suicide.

I am personally not hoping that one scenario prevails over another. Just hoping for a clear truth and peace for her family.

With the strange additions to the info pool of the animal blood and razor blade, it's a bit perplexing as to what happened and by whom (Cheryl or her murderer), except that it seems planned.
 
roro206 said:
There was a question about weather and rain on the day she went missing. Also, discussions about how she would walk from car to culvert in the rain. Here's a link from AccuWeather of the temperature and precipitation for the month of Feb. Keep in mind, I think this area in mountlake is on a conversion zone.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/mo...uary-weather/341321?monyr=2/1/2016&view=table

IMOO
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The temperatures are within a degree of this record, but this shows rainy days as well.

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I was thinking about if the approximate date had any emotionally triggering significance for Cheryl, while exploring the suicide theory. Found her dad's obituary - he had a birthday in mid January but not the eureka I thought I might come across. Sounds like he was a lovely and valued member of his community, like Cheryl was.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=47800332

There is a mention of a long illness but no reference to dementia.

I explored this idea not to be a complete creeper (ha) but because I myself remember thinking of my dead relatives a lot when I was super depressed :(
 
I'm one of the sleuthers that wants to know if Cheryl read mysteries and detective stories. Or enjoyed puzzles and games.
 
Jo in Calif said:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...e-police-return-to-site-where-body-was-found/

A group of volunteers on Sunday discovered DeBoer’s body in a large, grassy area about 1.5 miles southeast of where her vehicle was found on Feb. 8 in the 23400 block of 58th Avenue West, police said.

So does this mean she was not found with her body completely in the water?
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I have been wondering about this ever since it was published. I didn't re-visit the statement because I chalked it up to MSM incorrect reporting.
 
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