Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #7

[kammiemc]

If they knew her maybe they knew she would be wearing the badge.

That's true. If it wasn't on her and in her car, then they could have assumed it was in the house.

 

[kammiemc]

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Respectfully snipped by me.

I don't know why I hadn't thought of this before :facepalm:: I wonder what led Chief Wilson to conclude that the bag had come "from a restaurant he said DeBoer frequented," when stryker, an immediate family member, says, "I am sure it was on rare occasion that she would frequent this place."

Specifically, I wonder if Chief Wilson's belief is based on information obtained through interviewing someone Cheryl -but not necessarily the rest of her family- was close to, in whom Cheryl had also been confiding. Further, if such "source" exists, I wonder LE has also obtained information from this person that supports the suicide theory (though I'm sure the ME would need additional corroborating evidence before the final determination is made).

According to a post from Stryker he believed that LE had spoken to something like 100 people. So any one of those people (or even more than one) could have said they knew she went to that restaurant on occasion/once in awhile/often/etc. LE also could have just checked her debit or credit card transactions. That's not to say that it couldn't be one special source providing info that most others don't know (including possibly info about her frame of mind)....it just sounds like they are talking to a lot of people.

 

[kammiemc]

Could be a lunch spot that she only went to with coworkers.

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There is a place across the street from Hutch that I know many employees there "frequent." In fact, the ones I work with at Hutch call it the annex. But I am sure there are lots of restaurants she went to. I have like 5 usuals for lunch. No one in my family would ever know or even have heard of them!

 

[mrsgladyskravitz]

I wonder if this animal carrier in this photo of Cheryl's car that is against the back wall, if it was in her car and it is evidence?

(The animal carrier does look quite large, though… would it fit in her car?)

See photo from Crimestoppers. Clicking on the photo in link will make the car photo larger.

If the carrier was in the back seat, then it might be crowded for another person to be in that back seat.

If the carrier was in the front seat, maybe it is possible someone could have been in the back seat of her car.

http://www.crimestoppers.com/death-cheryl-deboer-csops-220/

IMOO.

It looks to me as if this pet carrier is in a garage at Mountlake Terrace PD. Pethaps this carrier is more suitable for a canine (police dog), rather than Cheryl's kitties.

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[ANZAC]

It looks to me as if this pet carrier is in a garage at Mountlake Terrace PD. Pethaps this carrier is more suitable for a canine (police dog), rather than Cheryl's kitties.

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If you look closely there are two of them, one on top of the other.

 

[Lilibet]

I wonder if this animal carrier in this photo of Cheryl's car that is against the back wall, if it was in her car and it is evidence?

(The animal carrier does look quite large, though… would it fit in her car?)

See photo from Crimestoppers. Clicking on the photo in link will make the car photo larger.

If the carrier was in the back seat, then it might be crowded for another person to be in that back seat.

If the carrier was in the front seat, maybe it is possible someone could have been in the back seat of her car.

http://www.crimestoppers.com/death-cheryl-deboer-csops-220/

IMOO.

I doubt that animal carrier is Cheryl's. The photo looks like it was taken at an LE facility because of the traffic thing in the background. I imagine that animal carrier is LE's although I certainly could be wrong. It looks too big for even two cats IMO.

Her son said there was no blood in the animal carrier, so it seems likely it was returned. JMO

 

[ANZAC]

This case is confounding. I have read every post since Cheryl went missing, and cannot for the life of me make any sense of the situation. Suicide -- planned ahead so intricately -- is just not understandable.

I don't think there are any signs of it being "intricately" planned, with the exception of the animal blood which we still have no clue on.

Turning your phone off, cutting your fingers, locking your car, walking somewhere with a plastic bag does not require intricate planning - it could have been spur of the moment.

 

[Lilibet]

If they knew her maybe they knew she would be wearing the badge.

Or she could have said she forgot her badge and needed to let her friends know she'd be late, hoping to get a signal to them in the text. Whoever was in the car with a weapon could have insisted on sending the texts, thwarting her plan.

 

[dizzychick]

It looks to me as if this pet carrier is in a garage at Mountlake Terrace PD. Pethaps this carrier is more suitable for a canine (police dog), rather than Cheryl's kitties.

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looks to me like there are 2 one stacked on the other

 

[Treelights]

It looks to me as if this pet carrier is in a garage at Mountlake Terrace PD. Pethaps this carrier is more suitable for a canine (police dog), rather than Cheryl's kitties.

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I was able to review that other photo of the car in this link and it does show 2 large kennels.

http://myedmondsnews.com/2016/02/search-continues-for-missing-mlt-woman/

 

[Treelights]

looks to me like there are 2 one stacked on the other

Yup. Two large kennels, most likely for dogs, or for larger animals.

IMOO.

 

[Sun009]

The blood on the floor, and on the seat of a missing womans car, would almost certainly be a cause of concern and why they were immediately searching the area. If she planned her suicide, there seems to be effort into having it appear as both something suspicious and a suicide plot within her suicide plan. If this was all random, there is a lot of random things that happened during this random tragedy. The animal blood seems like something was meant to look obvious, then not so obvious again, when its confirmed as animal blood. So she either did all of this or none of it. Which seems to be the point of any of this being very complex. But why?

 

[IMissCrossfit]

Does anyone have the Mountlake Terrace PD case number? I am having trouble locating it...thx.

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[IMissCrossfit]

Han Nachtrieb, were you so lucky to get to know Cheryl very well even though your work is different? I think it would be difficult for anyone to have to release such a statement about someone because of what happened to Cheryl. [emoji25]

an unknown device

 

[eucalyptuz]

Han Nachtrieb, were you so lucky to get to know Cheryl very well even though your work is different? I think it would be difficult for anyone to have to release such a statement about someone because of what happened to Cheryl. [emoji25]

Are you referring to the Feb 14 press release by Fred Hutch HR spokesperson, or is it something new?

 

[mrsgladyskravitz]

Re: Acetylcholinesterase

I understand that a nerve agent, in conjunction with Acetylcholinesterase, among other things, can cause muscle paralysis, and death by asphyxiation. Is there a drug, vitamin (really anything) that could be "given" to an individual with same end result? Something that would dissipate enough, i.e. being in water for six days, that would be undetectable on tox reports?

** Please note, all input, corrections, etc. appreciated!

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[IMissCrossfit]

Are you referring to the Feb 14 press release by Fred Hutch HR spokesperson, or is it something new?

Just the original..

an unknown device

 

[WhisperWorm]

I'm curious what Stryker meant exactly when he said that "Certain items of hers missing." Was it more than just phone, wallet, and keys?

I want to chime in regarding the fast food bag. I worked in the same building as my husband for several years and he still has no clue that I often went to certain restaurants for lunch in downtown Seattle. None of the 3 of my sons, ranging in age from 13 to 27, could tell you a single place I ever ate lunch at work, other than the company restaurant...maybe.

I've been curious if Cheryl was very clearly, without doubt, seen as the person leaving her house the morning she disappeared. (Knowing that it was dark outside and that most home-security cameras don't switch to night-mode.)

I've scoured the image of Cheryl's car from the only angle available and can find zero trace of blood on the exterior passenger side or front of her car. If the blood on the exterior of her car is on the driver's side, then that's the only evidence we would have heard of regarding the driver's side of the car. Everything else takes place on the passenger side & center console. What can we conclude from that piece of information? The passenger side is also the curb side of the car as it was parked.

Has anyone on here ever accidentally powered-down their phone? I have a few times: I have a Samsung Galaxy S3, which has a button on the right that serves many functions; it wakens my phone, but sometimes I accidentally press it too long and it goes to the "Did you want to power off?" screen. If I were to hold that in a few seconds longer it would power down. The times I've accidentally powered down was when I wasn't paying attention to how long I was holding in that button. Could Cheryl have accidentally done that - and if so, what would cause her to be holding her phone in an unusual manner like that? (All of the IT workers I know, including myself, have phones that match their company's most-used operating system. So if Fred Hutch uses Macs then I'm going to take an educated guess and say Cheryl had an iPhone, and if they used Windows, Linux, or Unix, etc., that she'd use an Android phone. I cannot imagine an IT worker owning a Windows phone, but it could happen. I mention this because of where the power button might be located and it's alternate functions.)

I'm just sitting here trying to put myself in Cheryl's position that morning. She sends the text then closes out of text messaging preparing to put the phone away, but becomes distracted by ????? and doesn't release the multi-function button. Could she have been distracted by an injured animal?

We talk a LOT about this animal blood. We ARE going to find out what kind of animal blood it was. Does that matter? What could we learn, or presume, from finding out what type of animal blood it was?

Squirrel? Rabbit? Turtle? Cat? What does that matter? I mean, if it was from a snake we could presume that Cheryl didn't run it over and feel bad for it, scoop it up, and put it in the car to save it, right? (Eric would know, I guess.) I just cannot come up with a reason for caring what type of animal blood it was.

The ONLY thing I can come up with, based on the above, is that Cheryl became distracted when noticing an injured animal, accidentally powered down her phone, got out of her car to get the animal, put it on the passenger side floor of her car, and then her and the animal disappeared. What could have possibly happened between putting that animal in the car and a short while later (presumably according to Stryker) winding up with a plastic bag on her head near or in the water by a culvert 1.5 miles away?

We know her keys are still missing, but if she hurriedly got out of the car to help an animal she wouldn't have shut the car off and removed the keys, logically speaking, right? So who turned off her car and took her keys?

Perhaps...someone used this opportunity to "help" her with the animal? Maybe she even called out to them asking them for help? Perhaps they said "Hey, I have a plastic bag - put it in this and get in my car...we'll take it to the Emergency Vet!" So she reaches across the console to shut off the car and grab her keys and wallet and goes with them. Razor blade, you ask? The most far fetched, crazy, insane thing I can come up with is that this animal needed something removed from it to assist it and someone provided Cheryl with a blade with which to cut said thing off - but the animal is flapping around so she cuts herself no matter which angle she holds it, so .... yeah, let's put it in a bag and take it somewhere to get it help. Cheryl hands them the bag of injured animal, so they can't take back the razor blade, so she just quickly sticks it in her pocket and goes with them. (I know how far fetched that is, but really, no more far fetched than her bringing a chunk of frozen Elk blood from her freezer, right?)

From there I've got nothing.

 

[gaia227]

Remember someone here said LE recovered "items" from the creek. This is typical in these cases -- it sometimes take a while to identify if they are related to the case. Even if a phone is the same type, you need to check the IMEI etc. My best bet is the phone is either in the creek, in bushes or in a street drain. (all of those are places we usually find discarded phones)

That's a good point about the 'items' LE recovered. Maybe they did find the phone.

I'd like to think if the phone is in the vicinity it would have been found but as we know things are missed all the time during searches.

 

[FrostOwl]

<snip> I'm just sitting here trying to put myself in Cheryl's position that morning. She sends the text then closes out of text messaging preparing to put the phone away, but becomes distracted by ????? and doesn't release the multi-function button. Could she have been distracted by an injured animal?

We talk a LOT about this animal blood. We ARE going to find out what kind of animal blood it was. Does that matter? What could we learn, or presume, from finding out what type of animal blood it was?

Squirrel? Rabbit? Turtle? Cat? What does that matter? I mean, if it was from a snake we could presume that Cheryl didn't run it over and feel bad for it, scoop it up, and put it in the car to save it, right? (Eric would know, I guess.) I just cannot come up with a reason for caring what type of animal blood it was.

The ONLY thing I can come up with, based on the above, is that Cheryl became distracted when noticing an injured animal, accidentally powered down her phone, got out of her car to get the animal, put it on the passenger side floor of her car, and then her and the animal disappeared. What could have possibly happened between putting that animal in the car and a short while later (presumably according to Stryker) winding up with a plastic bag on her head near or in the water by a culvert 1.5 miles away?

We know her keys are still missing, but if she hurriedly got out of the car to help an animal she wouldn't have shut the car off and removed the keys, logically speaking, right? So who turned off her car and took her keys?

Perhaps...someone used this opportunity to "help" her with the animal? Maybe she even called out to them asking them for help? Perhaps they said "Hey, I have a plastic bag - put it in this and get in my car...we'll take it to the Emergency Vet!" So she reaches across the console to shut off the car and grab her keys and wallet and goes with them. Razor blade, you ask? The most far fetched, crazy, insane thing I can come up with is that this animal needed something removed from it to assist it and someone provided Cheryl with a blade with which to cut said thing off - but the animal is flapping around so she cuts herself no matter which angle she holds it, so .... yeah, let's put it in a bag and take it somewhere to get it help. Cheryl hands them the bag of injured animal, so they can't take back the razor blade, so she just quickly sticks it in her pocket and goes with them. (I know how far fetched that is, but really, no more far fetched than her bringing a chunk of frozen Elk blood from her freezer, right?)

From there I've got nothing.

A problem I have with this scenario is that there have been no mentioning of animal hairs mixed with the blood. Animals shed, and an injured and/or stressed animal sheds a lot, and it begins very quickly. I had a cat who hated going to the vet, and just two steps inside the doors I was covered in fur because she was so stressed. Unless there are information about having found animal hairs with the blood, I doubt there was an animal in her car.