Especially since the Himmy calling Teddy on that night would show some sort of friendship, not that it doesn't already the other way around, and that Himmy knew where he was since there were no cell phones back then. It's just that Himmy has no control over Teddy calling, but if Teddy has stated that Himmy called him, well...it would seem that that has to be corrected for the record. If Himmy doesn't know Teddy any better than one reckless flying incident years before why does he take his call in the thick of a skyjacking and then ask him his opinion? Any why on earth, as Teddy suggested, would Himmy call Teddy 3 times? He supposedly doesn't really know him that well. Doesn't make any sense. Teddy-Regardless of the "PROFILE"-should have been suspect numero uno the minute Peanut-boy got back to the office. No and if's or buts.
Absolutely. I do want to know, just how many times Himmy and Teddy saw each other, the first time they met, the last, and how many months before the heist, had Teddy and Himmy had a conversation.
FTR: Teddy claims that he doens't know Himmy, never heard of him, and the FBi called Teddy, either 3,4, or 5 times, depending upon which visit.
Teddy's story, is that the FBI called him at his school, the first time, looking for chutes. Teddy told them, he was worried he wasn't going to get them back, and told the FBI about Earl Cossey in Seattle.
Now, I called Earl Cossey, and he said, that his name came up from someone at Sea-tac, whom he had known prior to the hijacking. Cossey never mentioned Teddy's name, and had a whole different story. I never told Cossey that Teddy is telling us, that he gave the FBI his number, since, we didn't want to show our hand.
So, I asked Teddy, who in the FBI called you. What was their name. Teddy had no idea. I said, was it the Seattle, or FBI office. Teddy said he didnt' know.
Teddy then says, the FBi asked for a number that they could reach him, if they needed to speak with him again. According to Teddy, he gave the FBI his girlfriends number, and said, that he is going to dinner with his girlfriend, and they can call him at her place afterwards.
Now, how in the world does this sound like a guy interested in helping the FBI. Plus, how is it that the FBI called him 4 more times? It's almost impossible.
Teddy then says, the FBI called him, after Cooper jumped, and said, "he must have jumped", and Teddy said, well, if he could get the stairs down, then it would be a safe jump, but, I don't know if you can lower the stairs in flight on a 727. Kinda of sounds like Cooper. Since, he didn't know, and that is why he wanted the stairs lowered upon takeoff.
If you listen to teddy's story, it is total bs.
First, he never helped the FBI, or even offered to bring the chutes to the Portland airport, as a backup plan, just in case, the FBI couldn't get a hold of Cossey. How did Teddy know that Cossey would be in town, and have the necessary chutes? Maybe, the same way Cooper did.
Next, how could the FBi possibly have called him 5 times, if you figure it out. Once, before the plane lands, and then Teddy goes to dinner, and then, four times after dinner. Makes no sense.
And an FBI agent calls you five times, and you have no idea which office, or what his name is? Very hard to believe.
And on top of this, he lies, and says, he has never heard of Himmelsbach.
old dominion said:
Andy why does Himmy tell you at lunch 2000 that Teddy called and said "I didn't want you to think I was the hijacker", and then on the IE segment he tells the American public, that he said "I know you're looking for skydivers and I just want to help any way I can"??? Seems like there's some PR going on here. Add to that that supposedly Teddy's opinion of what happened basically becomes Himmy's w/o consulting any other source? Watching the KX clip, the very next day both ground investigators interviewed concluded that the jacker survived the jump. Doesn't everyone get a second or third opinion just to be sure, especially if you're REALLY interested in solving the case? And even if the opinion is split 50/50, or hell even 20/80 you can't conclude that he didn't survive the jump, especially when there's no evidence to support it.
Absolutely. Why didn't Himmy put in the book, that Teddy didn't want him to think he was the hijacker? Was he protecting that Teddy had a record, and didn't want to get sued? OR was he protecting Teddy?
You make a good point. Himmelsbach even mentions other skydivers in his book, who said, that the jump would be a piece of cake. Yet, Himmy, in his own little mind, decides that Cooper must have died.
Plus, when you are an investigator, you never assume anything. You always think, the criminal had everything planned, and made it to safety.
Especially, after McCoy, and others', proved it could be done, without any problem at all. Did McCoy have a limp, or an injury?
old dominion said:
Don't you wish you had brought a copy of Norjack with you? What would he have said then?
I brought the book, but purposely didn't show it to Teddy.
I didn't want him to gain any intelligence from us, nor, did I want him to know we knew he was lying. At any time, he could have shut down, and we would no longer have access to interviewing him. It was obvious, that Teddy had no clue as to the existence of Himmy's book, otherwise, he would have changed his story.imo
old dominion said:
Speaking of Wiki, I sure wish UM had asked Mr. Cessna why neither FBI composite is accurate, why they would need to be redone, and why he never interviewed their other guest, Ms. Schaffner. I think those would have been a more than fair questions at the time. And of course the final Himmy question when the Coleman sketch was finished: "Look like anyone you know"? Boy would that be great to have today. Too bad it never happened.
I agree. I wonder why one of the producers of UM, didn't fly FS to Portland, or Himmy to Missouri, and have all the parties together. It was probably to save money.
But, it would have been nice to ask FS, well, you know Ralph, right. And for her, to say, well, "no". I'd love to for that to be on tape.
On the other hand, didn't FS, think it was odd that she had never met the guy put in charge of solving this case? IF it was me, I would have demanded a meeting, and asked him why he hasn't solved the case.
old dominion said:
That's understandable. I really wonder if there are any unsolved Portland or vicinity area bank heists Teddy-boy could be good for, or maybe he just preferred chop-shopping planes. Gotta' wonder how many people looked everywhere for say a '62 Cessna carburetor, which wasn't made anymore at the time, and Teddy just happened to have one.
Where oh where did all those little pieces-parts go?
Good call.
I was looking at the FBI website, and they have released certain documents of this case, under the Freedom of Information Act. One bright agent, from San Diego, busted a guy for bank robbery, and forwarded his name to the Portland office, since this guy was known to have been in Portland in late 71.
So, the "smart" agents, were definitely looking for a suspect with a background in armed robbery, either banks, or otherwise.
I would like to know just how many unsolved bank robberies, stolen planes, etc, there are in the Northwest region during the late 60's, and 70's. One doesn't ususally get caught the first time around, nor, does one usually quit after getting caught.
Just look at the return rate to prison. Something like 70% of parolees, will be re-arrested within 3 years after being released from prison.
Think about this case. IF the judge in the armed robbery case, would have done his job, I can think of at least 10 hijackings that would have never occurred. If Cooper didn't open the door, there is no way, McCoy, or any of the other mental midgets would have duplicated that crime.
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