Found Deceased WA - Jenise Wright, 6, Bremerton, 2 Aug 2014 - #5 *Arrest*

[steelman]

I missed out on a lot of this yesterday afternoon because I was out sitting on a riding mower, sweating like hell and drinking large quantities of beer (it's a medical condition :happydance: )

Is there any good reason discussed so far why this would have been only a second degree murder ? And why the manslaughter charge as well ? That usually infers that it was some kind of accidental thing, not necessarily planned out.

I don't understand why this isn't first degree murder all the way down the line.

Somebody educate me.

 

[JeannaT]

I missed out on a lot of this yesterday afternoon because I was out sitting on a riding mower, sweating like hell and drinking large quantities of beer (it's a medical condition :happydance: )

Is there any good reason discussed so far why this would have been only a second degree murder ? And why the manslaughter charge as well ? That usually infers that it was some kind of accidental thing, not necessarily planned out.

I don't understand why this isn't first degree murder all the way down the line.

Somebody educate me.

Well, I think just what you said. The killing appears, I guess, from the evidence to be accidental in the commission of another crime, the sexual assault.

I don't understand why manslaughter is tacked on there, though. Second degree murder pretty much covers the death.

 

[SCHMAE]

I missed out on a lot of this yesterday afternoon because I was out sitting on a riding mower, sweating like hell and drinking large quantities of beer (it's a medical condition :happydance: )

Is there any good reason discussed so far why this would have been only a second degree murder ? And why the manslaughter charge as well ? That usually infers that it was some kind of accidental thing, not necessarily planned out.

I don't understand why this isn't first degree murder all the way down the line.

Somebody educate me.

My guess would be he did not plan beforehand to take her life. I think he planned to 'assault' her ( im sick of the other word and cannot use it in regards to this baby, i'm sorry ) Then at some point during /after committing that crime , the murder became necessary and/ or was not intended but a consequence of the previous crime. We will see . I'm more curious by two crimes causing death. That one has me scratching my head. 2nd murder AND manslaughter. I don't understand.

 

[JeannaT]

My guess would be he did not plan beforehand to take her life. I think he planned to 'assault' her ( im sick of the other word and cannot use it in regards to this baby, i'm sorry ) Then at some point during /after committing that crime , the murder became necessary and/ or was not intended but a consequence of the previous crime. We will see . I'm more curious by two crimes causing death. That one has me scratching my head. 2nd murder AND manslaughter. I don't understand.

I'm not sure he planned anything at all. I know in some cases the law of "premeditation" has come to be used when someone does the motor planning of walking toward the victim in order to commit a crime, but I think "planning" means actual planning ahead. I don't think he planned this at all - it was total impulse, IMHO. No one planning that would dump her remains right there where she was sure to be found.

 

[human]

I missed out on a lot of this yesterday afternoon because I was out sitting on a riding mower, sweating like hell and drinking large quantities of beer (it's a medical condition :happydance: )

Is there any good reason discussed so far why this would have been only a second degree murder ? And why the manslaughter charge as well ? That usually infers that it was some kind of accidental thing, not necessarily planned out.

I don't understand why this isn't first degree murder all the way down the line.

Somebody educate me.

I think she died because of the rape. He is a big kid. He did not set out to kill her, I feel. But basically I know nothing

 

[SurfieTX]

I'm not sure he planned anything at all. I know in some cases the law of "premeditation" has come to be used when someone does the motor planning of walking toward the victim in order to commit a crime, but I think "planning" means actual planning ahead. I don't think he planned this at all - it was total impulse, IMHO. No one planning that would dump her remains right there where she was sure to be found.

I agree. Reminds me of Ryan Brunn. He intended to molest little B, but did not intend to kill her. It only occurred to him after he molested her that she would tell and he would be in big trouble. I think this predator is similar, and I also think he most probably confessed 100% to it all much like Brunn and that's why the charges are what they are.

 

[Bravo]

I'm sure all the Legal talking heads will clear up the meaning of these charges tomorrow eve. Lordy.

 

[margarita25]

My sister did this when she was 4 and I was one. My mom was in the checkout line and wouldn't get my sister candy, so she started with that noise and this well meaning woman tried to remove us from the cart. That went over like a pregnant pole vaulter...

lol!!

 

[human]

Other cultures may let their kids wander more freely. It appears that this type of crime is not very common in other First World countries ?

But in Third world countries where I have lived, there is a lot of child sexual abuse but the topic is just starting to be addressed.

Without info, who knows how many children are gone in Third World Countries?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

My guess would be he did not plan beforehand to take her life. I think he planned to 'assault' her ( im sick of the other word and cannot use it in regards to this baby, i'm sorry ) Then at some point during /after committing that crime , the murder became necessary and/ or was not intended but a consequence of the previous crime. We will see . I'm more curious by two crimes causing death. That one has me scratching my head. 2nd murder AND manslaughter. I don't understand.

Just learned from the Wafer conviction, he too was convicted of 2nd degree murder and manslaughter. The manslaughter derived from the use of his weapon and was treated as two crimes..

So, he was depraved in his actions of murder, the rape of this precious child is a separate charge resulting in death, manslaughter...I hope I explained it coherently...

ETA news article explaining...

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office, said that with the charge of statutory manslaughter, a firearm has to have been used — an element not included under the charge of second-degree murder. Because of this, they are separate crimes, she said.

http://www.freep.com/article/201408...s-applaud-Wafer-conviction-Justice-was-served

 

[dyannaON]

I have been on Twitter and Facebook and only see News tweets and posts . You sleuths are good!

 

[bakerlady]

My guess would be he did not plan beforehand to take her life. I think he planned to 'assault' her ( im sick of the other word and cannot use it in regards to this baby, i'm sorry ) Then at some point during /after committing that crime , the murder became necessary and/ or was not intended but a consequence of the previous crime. We will see . I'm more curious by two crimes causing death. That one has me scratching my head. 2nd murder AND manslaughter. I don't understand.

So that would imply that there was some type of confession? How else could they know what he planned to do?

I always thought that the murder was first degree automatically if it occurred as a result of rape.

The only other scenario is equally disgusting but I won't discuss that out of respect.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm not sure he planned anything at all. I know in some cases the law of "premeditation" has come to be used when someone does the motor planning of walking toward the victim in order to commit a crime, but I think "planning" means actual planning ahead. I don't think he planned this at all - it was total impulse, IMHO. No one planning that would dump her remains right there where she was sure to be found.

Right and in most states , maybe all, Murder ONE requires " pre meditation'' meaning they intended to do so before meeting or encountering the victim.

 

[SurfieTX]

So that would imply that there was some type of confession? How else could they know what he planned to do?

I always thought that the murder was first degree automatically if it occurred as a result of rape.

The only other scenario is equally disgusting but I won't discuss that out of respect.

I think he confessed after being told his DNA matched.

 

[steelman]

I think she died because of the rape. He is a big kid. He did not set out to kill her, I feel. But basically I know nothing

Maybe. I sort of think she died because she told the *advertiser censored* that she was going tell on him for what he just did to her. Then he got to thinking about that.......

 

[scorekeeper]

are any of the local posters planning on going to the courthouse tomorrow?

 

[matou]

Yes there is another person with the same name and also star athlete.

I wonder what it was that got him nabbed. I don't think the DNA would have come in that fast after finding Jenise. The apparel clue and the mud info....did someone phone that tip in? Did he ditch his shoes? There is something up with the vehicles too. Did he take his clothes and ditch them elsewhere? What about her clothes? Did he ditch those because he left DNA on those too? Did he drive with his muddy shoes?

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

So that would imply that there was some type of confession? How else could they know what he planned to do?

I always thought that the murder was first degree automatically if it occurred as a result of rape.

The only other scenario is equally disgusting but I won't discuss that out of respect.

Usually a 1st degree murder charge must go to a grand jury.

 

[SuperTmo]

It's the subtle sleuthing going on.

There isn't anything subtle about what was being posted. Posting a link to a video and making it clear he is in it. People sleuthing minors social media pages is against TOS too. Reporting what kids said on social media about their phones being taken, relationships with the victim family, etc, etc.. Some was describing whether he is isn't an athlete.

I don't know. I have no respect for this kid and don't think he is entitled to any except for the fact that he is a minor and charged as such for now... Maybe I'm wrong but I just think that it is disrespectful to the mods and to Websleuths to blatantly post so much about the guy knowing it gives away his identity despite it being off limits.

 

[matou]

I don't think he confessed to LE. JMO