Found Deceased WA - Jenise Wright, 6, Bremerton, 2 Aug 2014 - #6 *Arrest*

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It is rape in the legal sense and in the moral sense. It is rape in any term that can be imagined.

FGS! I don't care what he was doing before he raped this little girl.

Truth be known this sicko had probably fantasized about raping Jenise long before he even did it. :mad:

Anyone who gets sexually aroused by a little six year old child is a pedophile and a sexual deviant imo.

((((OBE)))) Thanks was just not enough. You said a mouthful and I agree with every.single.word.
 
I do agree with you.

She was seen with the teens on Saturday (unintentionally recorded on one teen's smart phone which was turned in to the PE. No other statements or proof other than by her parents who stated they did not know where she was. Still they did not report it to the police. WTF! Sorry. They said it was not unusual for this young 6-year old to be free to wander wherever she wanted. Many neighbors testified they felt sorry for the little girl and fed her and helped her in other ways. To this day, the parents and some other readers claim that is the proper way to raise children. Please make your voices known. Let's help all the children have normal lives.
 
The DSM V notes that rape is a crime, not a mental disorder. So, there is no argument here. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-5-confirms-rape-is-crime-not-mental-disorder

And that's the last time I'm responding to this because if I say what I'm thinking, I'll get a time-out. Or worse.

"Swagerty, at 833, held diminished capacity was not a defense to a statutory rape defendant because "the Legislature's definition of statutory rape did not require proof of specific intent or of any other mental state...". (Italics ours.) Diminished capacity is a defense to the intent element of second degree assault."

In the legal sense, yes, a rapist.
 
I think I speak for a lot of us who are astounded by who did this. Although maybe I would feel differently if I actually knew him ad maybe would see some red flags.

He is a great athlete. Nice looking . Appears to have friends. Has had girlfriends. Appears to have parents that care about him. Appears to have siblings that care about him.

Where are the warning signs?
 
Changing subject ... I really feel bad for siblings and other young people in community. First, they lose Jenise and now they have to deal with possibly a friend/ neighbor/ classmate being arrested on such heinous charges. :( my heart goes out to them all!!
 
As in, diminished mental capacity .. mental age does not match biological age.

Why does everyone assume all perps are cognitively intact?

Everyone doesn't. Repeating the same thing over and over, rarely changes another person's opinion.
 
If the crime was committed in their vehicle and/or house by their son wouldn't it be covered under their liability insurance?? Wouldn't his actions be covered under their policies?

Great question. I found this:

[h=2]2. What are the civil remedies available against an adult perpetrator?[/h] Homeowners Insurance
Homeowners insurance provides insurance coverage for members of the household who injure or kill people. Homeowners insurance covers the actions of their insured regardless of whether the acts take place in the home or out on the street. (Homeowners policies generally exclude coverage for deaths or injuries arising out of the use of a motor vehicle. However, these are often covered by automobile insurance.)
As a general rule, if an adult intentionally and willfully kills another person, insurance will not cover this act. Virtually all homeowners' insurance policies contain an 'intentional act exclusion'.
Under the intentional act exclusion, insurance coverage will not cover harm caused by an insured if the insured acted with a specific intent to injure the victim. Republic Insurance Co. v. Fiedler, 178 Ariz. 528, 875 P.2nd 187 (App. 1994) Normally, whether a perpetrator has the intent to injure is a question of fact for a jury. However, in Arizona, a conclusive presumption of intent to injure arises when the insured commits an act that is 'virtually certain to cause injury.'
For example, Arizona courts have conclusively held that sexual molestation by an adult of a minor is conclusively presumed to be an intentional act and excluded from insurance coverage. This holding was made despite expert testimony of psychologists that a pedophile did not subjectively intend to hurt his victim. Twin Cities Fire Insurance Co. v. Doe, 163 Ariz. 388, 788 P.2d 121 (App. 1991)


[h=2]3. Compensation for crimes committed by juveniles[/h] Sadly, more and more violent crimes are committed by juveniles. However, unlike adults, when a juvenile 14 years or younger commits what appears to be an intentional act, the parents' homeowners insurance may provide coverage for the harm that their child causes.
In USAA v. DeValencia, 190 Ariz. 436, 949 P.2nd 525 (App. 1997) the court was faced with a situation where a 14 year old child sexually molested another child. As previously noted, if an adult had done this, it would be conclusively presumed that there was a subjective intent to injure and there would be no insurance coverage. However, because of the age of the perpetrator, the court concluded that there was a question of fact as to whether the child subjectively intended to injure the victim and homeowners insurance might be required to provide coverage. Other issues arise when a juvenile has committed an offense.
Finally, under the Family Purpose Doctrine, a parent who furnishes a vehicle for the use or convenience of the family is liable for the negligence of the family member who is using the vehicle. http://www.glicksmanlaw.com/CM/Custom/Survivors-Guide.asp
 
I wish I had a time out emote ! But, take a breath everybody. Let's not bicker and get the thread shut down. Might be a good time to go enjoy the sunset for a few minutes and step away from your keyboards! :) You're welcome!

This ^^^ again ,, just in case anyone needs a cigarette break ;)
 
Has anyone thought of the idea that JW might have wandered out of her home and happened upon the perp in the woods or in a vehicle while he was involved with doing what teen boys do (self) and that the perp gave in to a sexual urge and he is not what would be considered a 'rapist' but simply a teen who gave in to a hormonal urge and fear of reprisal or punishment?

My thoughts lean in that direction because there was no charge of kidnapping.

Offensive? To whom? Are you assuming all perps' mental age equals their biological age? There are cases where the perp is of diminished (mental) capacity and is unable to discern certain wrongs from right and proceeds to take liberties to satisfy desires, whether it's grabbing your soda pop without asking and drinking it or it is invading the body of a young girl to satisfy a sexual urge.

All I am commenting is there are alternatives to black and white .. I am not commenting on the right or wrong of it.

Your first post (top) makes no reference to physical vs mental age or diminished capacity. It certainly does, however, question if he should actually be considered a 'rapist' rather than a mere frightened, hormonal teen.

So, yes, the general direction of your original posts are offensive to me and quite probably others who are or have rape survivors in their family. Offering the explanation that he might have been "simply a teen who gave in to a hormonal urge and fear of reprisal or punishment," is not an "alternative" ~ and does sound like a "judgement" to me.

And, last of all, I don't much care what his rationalization was about why he did it. Every reason is just as vile as another and does not effect the degree of pain of the rape and murder. MOO.
 
I think I speak for a lot of us who are astounded by who did this. Although maybe I would feel differently if I actually knew him ad maybe would see some red flags.

He is a great athlete. Nice looking . Appears to have friends. Has had girlfriends. Appears to have parents that care about him. Appears to have siblings that care about him.

Where are the warning signs?

BBM

Frightening!!!! :(
 
Hi everyone. I am not new to the forum, I have been lurking for a long time. I live in Kitsap county, and the town is buzzing (as you can imagine).
Please let me know if this is outside the scope of what is allowed, but I have stumbled across an ask website, where other members submit questions, and you answer them. I won't link the webpage, but I found some of the answers very interesting.

removed per TOS

I would also like to say that LE has done an incredible job here. I have been in close contact with them due to the nature of my job, and am so impressed with all of the work they have done, and also the community as well. Very proud and thankful to all involved. I wish I could have done more.
 
I wonder if that's going to turn into an issue. They didn't have a search warrant - I wonder if everyone was informed and had to sign that they knew this was a voluntary action, and that they had the right to refuse?

I guess in re-considering, probably if the DNA test is thrown out as being conducted without a warrant, they can always get a warrant and redo the test. It's not like it's a one time opportunity. Is that true? That you can get a warrant for DNA of a charged criminal during the preparation for trial phase, anyone know?

I have no doubt with this police department they got everyone to sign a legal consent form giving permission to give their DNA.

He was boxed into a corner. He had to give his DNA willingly. What would his mom think if he had refused? He also had to show up at the vigil. How could he not? He had to pretend to be innocent right along with everyone else.

So as smart as this police department has been shown to be I have no doubt they did it fair and square and its legally binding according to the letter of the law.

Of course now that he has been arrested all the DA has to do is go to the Judge to sign off on a search warrant of his body that includes his DNA profile (bucal swab) and he will have to give hair samples (both head hair and pubic) as well. But I don't think they will do the DNA profile again.

IMO
 
Hi everyone. I am not new to the forum, I have been lurking for a long time. I live in Kitsap county, and the town is buzzing (as you can imagine).
Please let me know if this is outside the scope of what is allowed, but I have stumbled across an ask website, where other members submit questions, and you answer them. I won't link the webpage, but I found some of the answers very interesting.



I would also like to say that LE has done an incredible job here. I have been in close contact with them due to the nature of my job, and am so impressed with all of the work they have done, and also the community as well. Very proud and thankful to all involved. I wish I could have done more.

Hi Java , thanks for your post. However if this belongs to the perp, you will have to remove it. But save your link !!! As soon as he's charged as an adult, instead of juvenile, we will be free to post all of the information that folks have been coming across.
 
I will be absolutely shocked if, once the suspect in custody is publicly named, additional stories don't come trickling or even pouring in. I find it difficult to fathom a normal-appearing teen going from zero to murderous child rape without some serious other events or at least warning signs along the way. Even as an opportunistic crime, it's difficult to imagine that being someone's first crime.
 
Offensive? To whom? Are you assuming all perps' mental age equals their biological age? There are cases where the perp is of diminished (mental) capacity and is unable to discern certain wrongs from right and proceeds to take liberties to satisfy desires, whether it's grabbing your soda pop without asking and drinking it or it is invading the body of a young girl to satisfy a sexual urge.

All I am commenting is there are alternatives to black and white .. I am not commenting on the right or wrong of it.

BBM

To me...someone who was raped by a male baby sitter at the age of 2 1/2; then sexually assaulted numerous times by her own grandfather; and finally raped by an older friend of an older friend two weeks after her own mother committed suicide (the result of years of mental anguish over having been sexually assaulted for years by that aforementioned grandfather who happened to be her father...and from whom she somehow could not manage to protect her own daughters...yes daughters...plural).

That's "whom" for one.

Anyone else? (I'll set up a porta-potty. The line's gonna be long).
 
Maybe you need to write to the media outlets?

Comedienne huh?

Paragraph 1 of TOS posted on this thread twice:

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Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way and ONLY IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CASE. Additionally, sleuthing family members or others that are not suspect is not allowed. Don't make random accusations or post personal information (even if it is public) like parking tickets, address, or first and last names of all their relatives and their neighbors. Also, never "bash" or attack them, or accuse them of involvement. However that does not mean that family members or others cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed CatFancier

Victim Friendly

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way and ONLY IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CASE. Additionally, sleuthing family members or others that are not suspect is not allowed. Don't make random accusations or post personal information (even if it is public) like parking tickets, address, or first and last names of all their relatives and their neighbors. Also, never "bash" or attack them, or accuse them of involvement. However that does not mean that family members or others cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed.
 
I think I speak for a lot of us who are astounded by who did this. Although maybe I would feel differently if I actually knew him ad maybe would see some red flags.

He is a great athlete. Nice looking . Appears to have friends. Has had girlfriends. Appears to have parents that care about him. Appears to have siblings that care about him.

Where are the warning signs?

I was told we could not discuss any details about the accused as long as he is considered a minor.
 
:welcome: javachip!

You don't note whose ******* site this is so it's harmless enough. Generally, if we have a named suspect that we can sleuth (charged as an adult), social media is fair game.

However, the trick (especially with ask and FB imo) is that we are not allowed to sleuth or post anything belonging to a minor or even a friend of the suspect. There's the rub.
 
I will be absolutely shocked if, once the suspect in custody is publicly named, additional stories don't come trickling or even pouring in. I find it difficult to fathom a normal-appearing teen going from zero to murderous child rape without some serious other events or at least warning signs along the way. Even as an opportunistic crime, it's difficult to imagine that being someone's first crime.

That's what I'm hoping for. An indication of "we all kind of suspected it was him all along" due to clear signs.
 
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